Do you believe Jesus existed?
 

I know most of you have watched this. But my question is this, do you believe Jesus existed? I'd like to hear what people really think.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=EQLD59fK_Iw

As a real person more likely than not.

The full story, no I have issue with parts of it. Specially since the Romans were very good record keepers and some of the shit does not jive.

jesus? YES!

the rest of it maybe

My thinking is that he did exist, but that almost everything about him is wrong.

I believe that Jesus existed and have the holes in my hands to prove it.

he he

;-)

yessssssssssssss

Hey, the man himself!

Jesus Christ was like Santa Claus, need i say more? :)

?Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.?

Seneca (Roman philosopher, mid-1st century AD)

Quote what you wish.

This has nothing to do with Religion at all. Though since you feel even admitting that a myth can have basis in reality goes against your idea that everything even related to religion has to be as false as a deity itself.

Despite that a large number of atheists and non religious historians all also think that the man himself did exist at some point.

No evidence he existed.

A fair amount of evidence proving the gospels were written as compilation stories.

The jesus story is heavily suffused with earlier mythic themes.

But, belief means not wanting to know the truth, making it a moot point.

The bible is the ultimate form of the Phone Game, especially since it's passed through various languages and "interpretations" through out 2 thousand years.

For example, modern stories/movies would have us believe that everyone in the bible is white.

I think, personally, that it all has some basis in reality... but got very much perverted through out the years from person to person telling the stories.

And if you've ever played the phone game, you know that what we know now and what was reality may be two entirely different things.

two conversations to always avoid....

religion and politics

Existed? Yes.

The rest of the fable?

Jury's still out.

:2 cents:

Yeah, Jesus Christ has nothing to do with religion (this comment made my day). Sorry for pissing you off stupid Church goer.

Get real, we don't know the name of that person, don't know its birth place, birth date, have only made-up witnesses.... although we know where the Sun as unique God came from: Egypt. It's no coincidence if all three religions Islam Judaism and Christianity were all born in this part of the globe. It was adopted by Arab rulers and Roman rulers, spread through the Arab and European worlds.

I browsed the Wikipedia entry of Jesus Christ, all the sources are so not credible! What a fraud! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus

It's so FAKE. :1orglaugh

Jesus Christ is based on reality indeed, it's based on Astronomy. Primitive humans worship the Sun for milleniums, and still do via Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ= The Sun.

What's gonna fucking difficult to understand?

http://www.bnsc.gov.uk/assets/channe...e/sun_main.jpg

The Church is so fucking scared of people telling the truth, i understand them though, it's doesnt take a genius to figure out why no Christian Church will ever admit that Christianity is a fraud and hundreds of millions of Europeans died for....... nothing.

Christianity began with the deportation of Hebrews/Jews and ended with the Holocaust.

Jesus mowed my lawn yesterday, of course he exists... :thumbsup

He is one hardworking Mexican!

ADG

You mean besides that sentence?

no, I do not

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus

Check this fucking Wikipedia entry. It's so empty.

"The main sources of information regarding Jesus' life and teachings are the four canonical Gospels of the New Testament: Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John."

The main reason why most scholars keep saying that Jesus existed is because most scholars studying Jesus Christ are theologists.

I personally know a bunch of theologists, the most retarded people on this planet.

I love History and own a network of History websites, and nobody gives a shit on the life of Jesus except theologists and Church goers.

It's like studying the character of Harry Potter.

http://www.southshields-sanddancers....ndar_photo.jpg

Yes the question between jesus the individual and jesus the myth are two separate things and one can separate the possibility of a real person in comparison to the stories that the bible and religion have attached to the person.

I am also not a church goer, nor have I attended one since I was around 5 years old. Though apparently you rather make wild assumptions that hear a valid opinion. I am well past religious and the closest I would come to any form of religion is attributing the stars in connection with giving any planet life.

Just as we also know the names of the assorted Egyptian gods who were also men. Just men who attributed special powers on themselves and made others see them as gods.

As for your reliance on wikipedia, well that just shows your real level of intelligence. Wiki is about as reliable as reading tea leaves. It is open to anyone altering references and facts. It has no real basis nor historical backing that actual evidence would show.

We know names of a wide number of people from the same time period. This in no way makes jesus any more special than a roman guard though.

As it has been stated though, to many get way to uppity on any topic that gets close to religion or politics. Admitting one without the other is easy and very historically logical.

I suggest you keep quoting others and forget thinking for yourself. It obviously does not work for you and I apparently made the mistake of asking you to say something yourself. Admitting that a man named jesus existed and was spreading his view of religion around is a far cry from accepting any Christian idea's about him or even accepting faith as a whole.

I am done with you as you could not keep a normal line of conversation and debate going and had to resort to name calling and wild assumptions about myself.

Organized Religon is About Control
 

You don't know the POWA of the dark side...

If George W. Bush is still in office, it's because 40% of Bush supporters are US Evangelicals, you know the Bible freaks.

The owner of Blackwater is a Bible freak too.

How many people died since Bible freaks elected George W. Bush? Wanna ask an Iraqi or the family of a 20 year old dead American soldier?

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3...warningvc4.jpg

Bible freaks are mass murders, and if they were something Bible-related, they would not be Jesus followers but Satanists.

A cult of freaks worshipping Apocalypse.

http://www.liderdigital.com/imagenes...2/Exorcist.jpg

Excellent videos. Thanks for sharing the link. The bit of history I had researched seemed to lead to a guy that was very active trying to defeat a strict caste system and get people to treat each other better. Somewhere along the way he got all this religious meaning assigned to him and it seems it would be something that flew in the face of what he was trying to get people to understand.

So interesting how symbolism in language gets twisted and turned and ultimately becomes dogma. My biggest gripe with any organized religions is when people fail to recognize that it's all passed along from HUMAN generation to human generation and is subject to all the frailties of human ego along the way. What's left this far down the line... how close to any original message can it possibly be?

Forgot to add the other thought that in my view anyway, religion is the result of people's fear of death and nothing else. They want an answer to comfort them and tell them their lost loved ones are ok and that they will be ok.

Not to mention few could read or write back in those old days, and the 'message' was 'interpreted' by the kings who ruled back then.

They controlled the scribes and religious folk of the time who re-wrote the Bible by hand.

lmao :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :321GFY

Jesus was real and anyone who has read there history knows this if you cant be botherd to find facts for yourself just keep posting away and looking the fool.

I think Jesus existed. There are witnesses ya know

https://youtube.com/watch?v=JjTd-hypnYI

https://youtube.com/watch?v=i5Dk8K8TBXc

wtf is this community channel 10?

jesus was a dude who had a lot of friends. that is all.

I once heard it said that there is more evidence of Jesus' having existed as a man than any man in recorded history before the 1900's.

Sounds reasonable enough.

I believe that a guy named Jesus existed then, just as several people named Jesus exist today. I don't believe ANY of the other shit.

well, get an opinion from an expert:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=DSwG9Tojg9I

xmas seems awfully intimidated by the beliefs of others.

Me, I tend to keep whatever beliefs I may have to myself, and let others believe what they want.

Life is more peaceful that way.

Really? Sources...?

Give a link to any evidence.

You won't be able to.

Therein lies the problem.

Personally I have ideas and few beliefs. I know ideas can change and I keep myself open to that possibility. Where people with beliefs, well they will rarely if ever even listen to a counter point. Be it the religious side or the non religious sides. Hell it goes for everything from abortion, evolution, to politics.

Jesus is lord!

Suck my cock.

that is too scary! :(

Probably based on a historical person. Obivously totally removed from the mythical biblical Jesus.

that video came from a movie zeitgeist. very good movie

yes i believe Jesus existed

he did, and he probably wasn't a bad dude either but so much evil was done in his name in the centuries to follow

As a person yea probably, as some god's son, not likely. He was just the rock star of his time. He did nothing more than had a message the people wanted to hear. So in return he had followers and myths were soon after written about him.

yes - he existed.

Yeah... I hear what you're saying.

But I reckon that also depends on your definition of "proof."

There's the bible - which has been proven quite a few times over to be rather accurate in many of it's historical texts and subtexts.

Then there's quite a few non-christian works that corroborate the existence of a man named Jesus who was also referred to as "The Christ' - but then, the validity of each of them have been disputed for many years, as this very argument of whether or not Christ existed has been a subject of debate for about as long as the Bible was constructed...

I reckon if Alexander the Great had as much skepticism surrounding him, you'd have just as much difficulty proving that he existed.

Or Buddha.

There's, certainly, tons more "evidence" that he ever existed than Socrates did... or Pythagoras... but no one questions that either of them walked the earth.

Historical evidence works a bit different than scientific evidence.

Personally, I think he was a man that walked the earth.

50 Jebuses.