Branding Sex Offenders - Isn't This Going a Little Too Far?
 

We have new driver's licenses in Oklahoma for Sex Offenders:

http://www.dps.state.ok.us/IMAGES/sodl.jpg

We already have registries that are very publicly accessible. Private groups have taken it upon themselves to conduct leaflet campaigns to "welcome" any new additions to the neighborhood. The cops are required by law to personally notify neighbors when one moves in. In Oklahoma City, there is a religious group that is trying to help the offenders when they are released called Hand Up Ministries (HUM). Another group has formed called Save OKC and their sole purpose is to shut down HUM.

Isn't this going a little bit too fucking far? Putting it on the driver's license means these people probably will be unable to find ANY job. Fast food places generally don't pull criminal history checks or check references, if you are willing to work they'll put you to work as long as you don't check off the box about felonies, at least that is one job they could have and be relatively safe from the public and the public safe from them. But they do ask for ID and having a Sex Offender brand almost guarantees that they wont get even this menial job.

If they can't work, one of three things is going to happen: they will wind up on public assistance and my tax dollars will give them a free ride, they will wind up homeless and be wandering the streets completely unchecked and completely unaccounted for, or they will re-offend on purpose just to go back to jail where they will at least have 3 hots and a cot and again - at the same time, John Q. Taxpayer suffers through another non-consensual session of anal sex. In the last case, we have another violated child, another lifetime CHINS case, etc. Another ruined family.

Never mind the fact that they may:

• Be unable to open a bank account since showing ID there would be required and banks can refuse applicants for any reason when extension of credit is not involved, contrary to popular belief. There is no right to a checking account.
• Be targeted by cops when pulled over for traffic citations. For you and I, a $200 ticket is no big deal. We pay it and move on, or if you are an asshole like me, bury the prosecution in motions for discovery, you depose the cop, call 20 witness and waste hours and hours in court to ensure that they stand no chance of making any profit on it. But for someone who works a minimum wage job and lives check to check, a $200 ticket is almost a week's worth of after-tax pay and the guy runs into a cop that throws the book, 4 tickets would be a months pay - enough to easily put someone in this situation under.
• Be unable rent an apartment, room or other housing, since most private landlords still do very little investigation of tenants beyond checking with the previous landlord to see what kind of condition the place was left in.

I really think we are simply creating a group of offenders that are simply going to be discharged from prison back onto the streets with no help whatsoever. I have never seen a group of religious nuts campaign to shut down a vital community service which may possibly be the only one willing to try and help these people in the entire state. I sent the Save OKC people an e-mail several days ago asking them what they plan to do to help the offenders, or keep track of them, or keep the community safe from them once they successfully shut down HUM. No one bothered to respond to the message. I am betting they have no clue what they are going to do when HUM buckles and caves in under the pressure and turns them all loose. They'll probably yell at elected officials and say they should have had more programs in place or the cops should have kept better track of them.

And in case you haven't figured it out, this is a serious thread about a serious issue. If you are here to show your ass, please take it to another thread.

I disagree with you. In come countries you are executed for being a sex offender. These predators destroy lives and if they suffer inconveniences with bank accounts, jobs, or anything else...they deserve it. They should all be locked up where they don't even have to worry about driver's licenses.

They should do this in all 50 states :thumbsup

Way to go Oklahoma.

If any offender ever hurt my children or loved ones, they'd be lucky to still be alive after I'd torture them

Why the hell would you stand up for sex offenders? are you a fucking idiot?

there are FEW cases where the sentence was to harsh and the people wound up on the sex offenders list, but in most cases these sleazebags deserve what they get.

Do you not know of how badly being sexually assaulted can damage someone life?

i know a couple girls very close to me who were assaulted and let me tell you no matter what it is always in the back of their head, they have trouble forming new realationships because they are always worried about being hurt again. and i have a feeling this pain will never go away.

there are tons of other good people in the world you could be sticking up for but instead you choose to spend your time sticking up for some of the biggest scum on earth, good for you idiot.

What is the definition of a sexoffender?

a guy who asks a prostitute 'how much for a blowjob' or is it a real rapist?

I am not standing up for what they did, I am standing up for them as human beings because someone has to do so. And as much as alot of people don't want to admit it - myself included, they are members of our species and still have a few rights that should be protected. Not only that, but I pay enough fucking taxes. I don't want even more people on the handout programs so that more and more of my money gets taken by the fucking IRS to be used to fund the ever-growing handout programs.

Apparently you haven't thought past the punishment phase. So they serve their time and end up back on the street, where they will end up, you can't lock them up forever.

Now what happens when you push people into a corner where they have nowhere to turn?

They get desperate, and eventually resort back to what they know best. These "solutions," do nothing to decrease the chances that these guys will re offend, in fact they only increase the chances.

Let the guy get a job, a home, and at the same time hopefully some help.

Monitor them, just don't make them realize that no matter what they do, they are still being punished for a crime they served their time for, so they might as well continue acting out.

You're making sense.

Persecuting sex offenders won't heal society.

So doing the time is not enough?
Why not do the same with thieves? Drunk drivers? people caught doing or selling drugs?
There are no such thing as a victim less crime some crimes are more disgusting than others but the in my eyes the penal system should be in place to rehabilitate people not just be a punishment and continuing punishing people after they serve their time is just wrong no matter what crime they committed, it could be a 18 year old boy getting caught with his girlfriend for 2 years the day before she turns 18 and he is technically a sex offender.

If this is something you support why not just lock them up for life?
What about drunk drivers? I mean if you do it once you are likely to do it again right? You have already shown you lack judgment so why not brand you like the piece of shit you are to try to avoid you killing someone while driving under the influence?

I in no way support sex offenders but I strongly believe that when you have done your time you should be given a chance to show you have improved yourself.

That was a rhetorical question . . . . right?

That part makes me glad to not be an American.

Fuck them.

Shouldn't you be posting webmaster passwords or delivering phone books, Keithy-boy?

See sig idiot.:thumbsup

That is the question. I am of the opinion that true sex offenders (by which I mean people that rape and molest and things like that) can not be rehabilitated. they might be able to curb the urge to do it some, but I think they have a biological need to do it that outweighs their sense of right and wrong.

However, sometimes the term sex offender is too broad. Here in Oregon there was recently a case where two 12 year old boys were expelled from school and charged with sex crimes that were felonies because they slapped some girls on the ass at school. I'm not going to debate if they were right or wrong, they clearly shouldn't have been doing it. But if they were found guilty they would have had to register as sex offenders. In the end the case settled out of court, the kids admitted what they did was wrong and there was a happy ending.

I am all for going hard after real sex offenders, but like faxxaff says, if a guy asks a hooker for a blowjob or dude slaps a girl on the ass, these are not offenses worth ruining a life over.

Good for them... fuck the offenders - and i'm being serious.

It's all fun and games until Uncle Larry diddles with your own kid, then it's fire and brimstone and "GIMME HIS 'EAD!"

Except they aren't locked up and are let out and of course we make hard for them to basically live and then we're shocked when they fuck up.

I would say a murderer is just as bad or worse than a sex offender. Yet murderer can get out and he doesn't have to wear an ankle bracelet he doesn't have to report anywhere. He's not on any "murderer offender" list. He can live ANYWHERE he wants. Including next to YOU. His license doesn't say MURDERER on it. I'm sorry, but if you can justify notifying me of a sex offender moving next door to me you sure as hell can notify me when a MURDERER moves in next door now can't you?

Like Michael O pointed out... It wouldn't be fair for people that get labeled for the wrong reasons . If It was a guy that was raping women or touching kids then i would be all for it.

I also find it funny that you (minusonebit) are worried about them going on public assistance and using Tax dollars to live but you say this

Glad to see your wasting Tax dollars because you got caught braking the law ..:thumbsup good job

Most sex offender sites do not tell what the exact circumstances are. Look at the 17 year old in Georgia that got 10 years( and served 2 ) for getting a blow job from a 15 year old.

I'm sorry I see a HUGE difference between a 19 year old fucking a 16 year old and a 29 year old fucking a 12 year old.

Also I find it ironic that all these "Good, fuck the sex offenders" people are the same ones that think it's ok for a 25-35 year old female teacher to fuck a 13 year old boy as long as she's hot. I'm 100% sure they would be against her having to have "sex offender" on her license.

touchy topic here, i say branding them should be only for the hardcore sex offenders, or multiple sex offenders not the guy that does his gf 2 days before her bday

He is talking out his ass. Didn't you used to be a cop?

Exactly. Drunk drivers have higher recidivism rates than pedos. And drunk drivers can KILL and severely hurt everyone INCLUDING children.

If having a boatlaod of pedos on the street is a problem then the simple solution is too keep them locked up longer. But people are too cheap to pay for the extra prison space needed, so they'll sacrifice saftey to save a few $$ on their tax bill. Of course they think some stupid list and keeping someone an extra 2000 feet from a church or school or park will keep them safer. I can walk 2000 feet in about 7 minutes. And everyone one of these child killers that get caught was on some fucking list somewhere.

Many more than likely already used to know my stance on this issue. Keep them locked up or they are done with it after they serve their time (probation, parole included).

I now have a sex offender living 4 houses away from me. He was just recently released. They are currently living closer than 1400 to a commonly used bus stop, which technically is illegal in CA and they may be required to move and sell their house. Really would suck in the current market, assuming it even sells, assuming that buying such a house would not have stigmata attached to it. We were all notified when he was let out and moved back in. He has a probation officer. He also is 10-11 years old and snapped the bra strap on a girl at school last summer.

Just because there is the potential for lasting mental anguish does not mean it's okay to punish the accused for the rest of their lives and to assume they could strike again at any moment.

Now if you want to turn the sex offender lists back into what they were originally intended for, child sexual predators, then maybe we can talk. As it stands right now, a man who rapes a 12yo has the same status as a guy who takes advantage of a drunk adult woman. What we really need is a system that classifies various degrees of sexual offenses.

The sex offender sites usually only tell what section of the law they were violated under, which in and of itself does not tell you hardly anything - other than he is a sex offender. One moved in real close here, found them in the registries. It did not tell anything useful. For all I knew, he was unlucky enough for a cop to catch him pissing alongside one of OKs many miles of country roads and not hurting a soul.

Traffic citations are bullshit. They are not issued to promote safety. They are a backdoor tax. By taking them to court and being a huge pain in the ass, I can ensure that those tickets are not profitable for them. And any extra cost I have caused is more than compensated for by the 2/3rds of the population that gets the ticket and dutifully mails out a check in the envelope that the officer so kindly provided regardless of guilt or innocence. But thats a different thread.

Shouldn't you be stealing affiliate traffic somewhere or sucking my dick?

If they want to do that they cant throw around the term sex offender like they currently do. A guy got arrested for pissing on a road he had to go, he is now labeled a sex offender.That is why Genarlow wilson wouldnt take a deal, he would of been marked a sex offender for life.That guy they caught fucking sheep is now a sex offender. I have also heard you get busted for obscenity, you get sex offender also. Anyone see's that they automatically assume kids and it could be you pissed on a tree or sold gangbang cock choking sluts 47.

No .. my Brother Ray was a Cop many many years ago. there is a long list of things i was but Cop is not one of them ..lol

Yep, we should do this in all fifty states. None of this "getting out of jail in three years" crap. Once a pedo, ALWAYS a pedo.

You have obviously never suffered from sexual abuse nor has anyone you loved. Until that day comes, STFU, because you have no idea.

Peds should be given huge tattoos across their face, ,wait...maybe just putting them to death would be easier.

I have no sympathy for sex offenders.

I dont think its wrong at all. I think they should Tattoo SEX OFFENDER on their foreheads for everyone to see.

Are you serious? They registered a 10-11 year old as a sex offender because he snapped a girls brastrap?..WTF

Yes I am serious. Not going to throw his real info up since well I think that shit is wrong, but I am very serious. As others have mentioned some get that title for public urination, hugging, and much less.

The fucking justice system is fucked up when shit like this happens. Christ, I had my bra strap snapped, I have had boy humping my leg, grab a tit, grab ass....never once did I consider it sexual assault.. WTF are they filling peoples heads with now a days. You punched the boy in the face or kicked his nuts in.

I cant imagine what that childs parents must feel... I bet they want to rage and kill.

and it's a big ass bra :winkwink:

Then Ray should be able to explain to you that minusmostofhisbrain is talking out his ass.

But a murderer living next door to you is ok? So fuck you and the horse you rode in on. A MURDER victim and his family suffers WORSE. So fuck you some more.


Hmmm the bike shop owner from Different Storkes or a serial killer. Hmmm I wonder who I rather live next door to me. I'll take my chances with Gordon Jump.

Trouble is in some states you could be labelled a sex offender for taking a piss in an alley after leaving the bar.

Not really a fair punishment for taking a leak.

You know, I never really did consider that, but you have a great point. When someone is murdered, they aren't left alive to feel anything. And most people will say that the family never gets over having a loved one taken from them. So in that respect, a victim of molestation is better off than a victim of murder. Its still damn damaging, but at least they survive it.

I don't think they should EVER force a juvenile to register. If its that serious, they ought to just lock him up until he is 18.

I said this was a serious thread. You obviously came here to show your ass. So get the fuck out of my thread. This is an important issue and it would be nice if - for just once - we could have a single thread where everyone could have a serious discussion about a serious issue and who knows, maybe come up with some good ideas out of it.

You are a fucking joke, so it is not reasonable to expect anything associated with you to be taken seriously.

"Sex offender" does not necessarily equate to "child rapist". Half of the posters in this thread need to wake the fuck up.

Yep. You could get caught jacking off to porn in your car and get labled as a "sex offender"

Thought this was a joke at first, but still more retarded bs.

Suppose it must be hard for law enforcement to check the rap sheet of anyone in Oklahoma - it means they'd have to speak over a radio to get a background check :Oh crap

The irony is it takes a rap shit to qualify as a citizen when the country has around 25% of the world's incarcerated population at any one period, but only has 5% of world population. Think you might be right about a police state minusonebit :(

True Story: I cant remember which state it was in and im too lazy to google it, A young girl runs out into the middle of the road, someone slammed on the breaks and went sideways trying to avoid her caused an accident, bystander grabbed the girls arm and gave her a verbal beating. He was charged with lavicious acts with a minor, had to register as a Sex Offender, he appealed, the judge denied his appeal based on the fact 'The state doesnt know what your intentions were when you grabbed her arm'.

True as fuck people.

Definition of "sex offender" is too vague

You spend way way too much time on this site. Not only do you post a lot but you post books. At least when i type long replies it is about industry issues or related in some way.

Who cares about sex offenders? 2 ways to fix this problem, shoot'em and then they dont have to worry about being branded, or how about they don't fuck with little kids. What a novel idea.

No one cares about your electricity outage. Get a hobby or some friends, spend more time working, something :2 cents:

Will your missing the whole point, your simplistic views about 'sex offenders' is part of the over all problem. Not everyone on the sex offender registry is a baby raper or a rapist. In fact the way its looking these days they make up the minority of who is on the list.

An example of which can be found here. With the way things are going, in a few years that may put gay people on the list. And you breeders that like kinky shit aren't safe either, you might be next.

Thanks for that opinion, Will76. When I do finally get to 10,000 ePenises, it will not be said that I posted 10,000 :1orglaugh:1orglaugh 's or 10,000 one liners.

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