So I was talking to a friend about my work in adult and this is what he said...
 

he said... Yea the adult industry is huge right now, those porn tube sites are awesome and really big right now, you can download like 15 minute clips for free. He had no idea what he was talking about and that was his two cents to put into the conversation. OUCH are those sites really that popular?

The article I read a few weeks back said that youporn.com is the biggest adult site in the world. Not good.

Some of those sites do have big clips. They only want traffic and seem to think they will figure out how to make money later.

It's like they are looking for a "youtube" type buy out, but I think they are dreamming. Google is getting sued up the ass since they bought youtube so why would anyone want to buy one of these sites when most of the content is not licensed?

Didn't notice any of the ads?

Alexa traffic rank for youporn: 46

Did you notice the bandwidth margin is not going to be met by those ads?

If it did then I would have built one of those sites years ago.

I would buy licensed content and show the full episodes if the ads would pay for it, but nobody does that because it doesn't work.

ouchhh!!!!

In the article I read they talked to the owners of Youporn and one of them admitted that they had no idea how to make a profit from the site and they are just looking to build traffic and sell it but so far they can't seem to find a buyer.

Yep, and the poster you reposnded to overlooks the completey obvious which is that sponsors would just open the members area and take the money from ads if the youporn model actually worked.

sad thing is they are teaching the surfer to keep their credit cards in their pocket and to keep on searching if they are not getting it all for free

No clips? This thread is gay... This surfer is... moving along!

People say not good, but this shit has gone on in some form or fashion in this industry since I got online 10 years ago. Guess what? Those SITES SEND A FUCKLOAD OF SALES TO SPONSORS.

I compare this to the record industry fighting against online music trading.
Waste of a fight. Instead find ways to build and profit off what they are doing. You dont have to stoop to their level, but you can profit.

What if the record industry simply thought ahead and built some badass technology to add: "Visit RIAARECORDS.com to purchase this and any other music you want!" at the beginning and end of each illegal song. They would have made a fortune.

While they may send a fuckload of sales to sponsors they are not sending enough to cover the cost of bandwith. For example AEBN which is one of the largest sponsors and content producers out there owns a couple of these porn tube style sites and they get a ton of traffic. They tell the reporter in the article I read that the sites basically break even because the bandwith cost is so heavy and that right now they are keeping them around as traffic sources and to see what will be happening in the future with them. PornTube is basically just making enough to pay the bills (if even that much).

The bottom line is that there are only certain types of sponsors these sites work with and can sell. Why would I join a porn site when I can get hours of free porn movies right there on porntube? To combat this they sell dating and cam sites and stuff like that.

There is a big difference between porn and the record industry. The record industry has something else to sell you, we really don't. Even if they gave you a band's record for free they could sell you DVDs of concerts, concert tickets, t-shirts and other memorabilia from the band. They also hold licensing on the songs that they can sell to commercials, TV shows and movies. If you run a porn site your streams of revenue are limited. You can sell memberships to your sites, maybe turn your content into DVD or streams to sell to other sites and maybe put it up on pay per view for hotels and cable companies. Well, again, if I can get hours of free porn on a site why would I want to buy a DVD or join a porn site?

In the end I think tube style sites will eat themselves up. I think more and more sponsors will just not take their traffic and their bandwith costs will eventually shut them down or force them to change in a way that makes them less of a problem.

is it wrong to use major pipe and download the shit out of assorted tube sites non stop, and just keep overighting what you download. 24/7 ?

article here..
http://www.portfolio.com/culture-lif...inment-Profile

"DVD sales are in free fall. Audiences are flocking to pornographic knockoffs of YouTube, especially a secretive site called YouPorn. And the amateurs are taking over. What’s happening to the adult-entertainment industry is exactly what’s happening to its Hollywood counterpart—only worse."

I don't think its wrong at all.

If enough people get together and do it collectively for an extended period of time, it might hasten the end of the tube site. Or at least slow down their servers enough that surfers would grow frustrated and wander away.

Most of these tube site owners don't seem to have many ethics concerning copyright issues - so why should the industry not do whatever's possible to combat their presence?

Megarotic is 44, Youporn is 46, Pornotube is 173, Redtube (never heard of it) is 217, Xtube is 234.

That is a tough battle to fight:2 cents:

I've been telling people for years why I love the cam market so much:

1) When you get a whale, you can make literally $1000s in one month off him alone
2) You can't duplicate, trade, download, torrent or copy "interaction"

How can cam sites charge upwards of $4.99/minute when you have PornTube and other tube sites - and still be in business? See #2 above.

:thumbsup

I agree. There have been issues like this in the past and there will be issues like that in the future. The industry found ways in the past to get around it and will do so now as well as in the future.
It's all part of innovating and being creative :thumbsup

Damn!! I didn't know it was THAT huge!!!!

Exactly... you can't pirate human interaction..... yet.

eeeek !

Thanks for the post wtfent. I have been in this biz and this battle between pay and free is nothing new. Others already said this but both depend on the other for their survival.

After a while everything gets boring when the end user engages in a Hot medium.

Now that is an awesome idea.

Sounds to me like your friend knew exactly what he was talking about. Its amazing how many people I talk to in this industry who are out of touch with where the average surfer looking for porn goes these days.

How about this for a business model.. round up all the embed codes from the sites mentioned in this thread and charge $10 for "UNLIMITED ACCESS!" to all the free streaming stolen/copyrighted porn you could ever want?

See here for an example: http://tubehos.com/girls/Pussy_Eatin...sked_Man_To o

ya ya..........lol

lol, hahahahahahaha

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As for the discussion... As soon as I figured out how to make a profit from those sites you'll be the second to know.

Thanks for posting the article and your replies. i learned a lot :winkwink:

The point of those "free" sites is to bring traffic to other paid sites:winkwink:

Damn I had no idea they was that many of them and that they were all that big. This really sucks.

Definately. Interaction is the now and the future.

Here here! Dating sites are also in a similar vein- what we're selling is human contact. Nothing else converts like it :thumbsup

i'm agreeing a bit with the line that college-boobies is presenting... i think it's hopeless to fight against new waves in the way the masses utilize media technology.

it's also true what Mister E says - this is actually a very OLD discussion: free vs. paid.

And Kevsh's post was also cool... I'd say there are two things you can ACUTALLY sell -> interactions and convenience.

On a tangent:

It's similar in music, too, as collegeboobies pointed to. You can download a record, but you can't download a tshirt and you can't download a concert. That's where bands barely make their money - merch and touring. Record companies suffer. Great.

Have any of the big porn tube sites been sued for copyright infringement?