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d-null 10-18-2007 04:05 AM

does GOOGLE use info they shouldn't??
 
Just wondering if google uses information they shouldn't use in their se ranking algorithm?....

for example, traffic data they might acquire through analytics or adsense installs...

links they might determine to be coming from the same webmaster due to common adsense or analytics or webmaster tools codes in determining if links are relevant or not...

etc.

After Shock Media 10-18-2007 04:15 AM

Why shouldnt they use information that is granted to them to be used via their TOS via their tools?

d-null 10-18-2007 05:13 AM

I'm not saying they shouldn't use it due to legalities

I am just not sure I think it is right to use it in the algorithm for the search engine rankings... that is my point


Do you think it is ok to favor or disfavor a comparison between two different sites based on information that is only gleanable from a site that chooses to install their tracking code software?

I don't.

Barefootsies 10-18-2007 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetjet (Post 13253416)
does GOOGLE use info they shouldn't??


You don't know the POWA of the dark side...

Evil E 10-18-2007 07:28 AM

Analytics is really funny, because now Google owns pretty much all the data they wanted to know about all the websites that use it.

hungry hungry hippy 10-18-2007 07:43 AM

they can use whatever you give them to use

gooddomains 10-18-2007 07:55 AM

it would be against the interest of their shareholders not to use all information that they can get, it's a business they run

Marshal 10-18-2007 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 13253431)
Why shouldnt they use information that is granted to them to be used via their TOS via their tools?

i second that...

DaddyHalbucks 10-18-2007 08:54 AM

No surprise here.

The Duck 10-18-2007 09:30 AM

google is run by the cia

http://www.threadwatch.org/node/9612

TheStout 10-18-2007 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kandah (Post 13254396)
google is run by the cia

http://www.threadwatch.org/node/9612

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Barefootsies 10-18-2007 10:04 AM

Tin Foil Hats

Man it's no wonder that Reynolds Wrap Aluminum Foil is one of the most most trusted brands today.

Diligent 10-18-2007 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 13254512)
Tin Foil Hats

Man it's no wonder that Reynolds Wrap Aluminum Foil is one of the most most trusted brands today.


ROFL

And.. here's another guy (me) who wouldn't expect them to be like this when planning stuff out:

"Now now John..!
Thanks for Your suggestions, but we really can't do that since it would be HIGHLY unethical to
siteowners out there not in business with us! REPENT, You sinner You!!"

:1orglaugh

d-null 10-18-2007 02:46 PM

consider this scenario then...


say you set up sites on separate c class and link between them but put adsense on both, will google then consider them as being linked in ownership and therefore might as well be an inlink?

!

After Shock Media 10-18-2007 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kandah (Post 13254396)
google is run by the cia

http://www.threadwatch.org/node/9612

The Government can not run anything successfully let alone a major corporation that not only works so damn well but is so wildly profitable assorted financial people are now using its stock as an overall financial indicator.

V_RocKs 10-18-2007 03:26 PM

The Gov't is in bed with every US corp.

After Shock Media 10-18-2007 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 13255870)
The Gov't is in bed with every US corp.

The corps are the government, whatcha talking about.
Just the people elected change.

d-null 10-19-2007 12:22 AM

ok, here is a better scenario to illustrate what I meant by this thread....


say there are two identical websites, the only difference between them is google analytics is installed on one but not the other.... by virtue of using traffic data that google obtains from their google analytics program, they give the website that has their google analytics software installed a boost in the SE results (which to me is an obvious conflict... to favor a site over another in ranking results based on whether they have google analytics installed)

therefore to be properly free of conflict of interest they should not use data from user optional programs in their ranking algorithm (it would be almost as bad as giving a search engine ranking boost based on Alexa, just plain wrong)

After Shock Media 10-19-2007 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetjet (Post 13257551)
ok, here is a better scenario to illustrate what I meant by this thread....


say there are two identical websites, the only difference between them is google analytics is installed on one but not the other.... by virtue of using traffic data that google obtains from their google analytics program, they give the website that has their google analytics software installed a boost in the SE results (which to me is an obvious conflict... to favor a site over another in ranking results based on whether they have google analytics installed)

therefore to be properly free of conflict of interest they should not use data from user optional programs in their ranking algorithm (it would be almost as bad as giving a search engine ranking boost based on Alexa, just plain wrong)

I like that, google if your paying attention. Above is a great idea and you could use the extra info.

The Sultan Of Smut 10-19-2007 02:46 AM

Well one bit of info they have is the contents of unlinked directories :(

OldJeff 10-19-2007 02:52 AM

Uh, since it is thier website, they can rank the results any way they want. It is usually by who pays the most.

d-null 10-19-2007 02:59 AM

off topic a bit, but interesting to me as an exercise

I did a search on the word "ICE", which is a common word that one would expect might bring up results on frozen water perhaps, or perhaps not

anyways, the sponsored link that came up was for ice . com (whom I remember reading about as being a company with a 7 figure advertising budget with google)

ranking pretty high for the keyword ICE was ice . com, they ranked higher than ice . org ... but seeing those two right near the top made one think that domain name itself must have a big ranking bonus, but maybe not

the meta title for ice . com had no mention of the word ICE

looking at the backlinks to ice . com I found very few external links using the keyword ICE (the only ones I found were using the whole domain name)

so I am really curious how this site which is a jewelry site that has very little keyword saturation for the word ICE ranks right at the top for that keyword

does a 7 figure budget help in the SE rankings? or is the domain name alone worth a huge ranking bonus?

any of you SEO gurus explain what I am missing in my understanding of this ranking success story?

Kimo 10-19-2007 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 13257837)
It is usually by who pays the most.

:error:error:error

martinsc 10-19-2007 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetjet (Post 13257846)
off topic a bit, but interesting to me as an exercise

I did a search on the word "ICE", which is a common word that one would expect might bring up results on frozen water perhaps, or perhaps not

anyways, the sponsored link that came up was for ice . com (whom I remember reading about as being a company with a 7 figure advertising budget with google)

ranking pretty high for the keyword ICE was ice . com, they ranked higher than ice . org ... but seeing those two right near the top made one think that domain name itself must have a big ranking bonus, but maybe not

the meta title for ice . com had no mention of the word ICE

looking at the backlinks to ice . com I found very few external links using the keyword ICE (the only ones I found were using the whole domain name)

so I am really curious how this site which is a jewelry site that has very little keyword saturation for the word ICE ranks right at the top for that keyword

does a 7 figure budget help in the SE rankings? or is the domain name alone worth a huge ranking bonus?

any of you SEO gurus explain what I am missing in my understanding of this ranking success story?

very interesting....
hmmm....
makes you think...

xsabn 10-19-2007 03:27 AM

this guy http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/ say they will never use Google Analytics in anti-spam algorithm .. but who knows

Barefootsies 10-19-2007 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xsabn (Post 13257902)
this guy http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/ say they will never use Google Analytics in anti-spam algorithm .. but who knows

The force is strong in you young padawan


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