I think the torrents/saturation issues with this business are bs
 

Whenever someone mentions that pornotube etc are hurting sales I always wonder wtf they are talking about.

Video sites: I really don't see it. As a porn watcher myself I find these sites do not cater to my taste in decent quality porn. It's all small screen, sub-par sludge that is between 20 seconds long and 7 minutes, but on average 1min. I believe that any semi-serious porn viewer would not visit these sites other than to get a quick fix, albeit one where the video is what 20% of the screen? I'm put off by that, especially with the flashy banners and shit that litter these sites. I want quality and am willing to pay for it, and I believe that people are using this as a scapegoat as to why they aren't doing so well.

Torrents: Does the average porn viewer really know how to use torrents? Sure P2P is an issue, but with the amount of garbage on there and not a hell of a lot of niche choice to go around I don't think it's as big as an issue as people whine about. A lot of the specialist porn torrent sites make you sign up and have a system built on uploading at least half what you download. - So inevitably you are faced with either having to rejoin a site that most of the time locks out new members and is invite only, or you are forced to upload. I really believe that the industry is whining too much about this, and not coming up with a clear solution to at least tackle this SMALL problem.

"Saturation": Sure there's a lot of people promoting porn nowadays but I doubt that you can really blame everyone else because your site sucks, or you suck at progressing and finding new ways to get traffic. I would imagine that most new guys starting in the affiliate biz are put off with a shit start and bail early on. I know through personal experience that if I hadn't made a lot on dating and cams then I'd be dissuaded from starting a blog or tgp, etc. I think we as webmasters and ultimately the controllers of our own financial destiny's need to break the old model mode somewhat and adopt new ideas, and innovations in order to stay on top or at least a good level.

Seems to me like people wanna make over a certain amount per day, and won't like it if they are only making what $200-500 a day? That suits me right down to the ground personally. - What's more, there are so many niches that I'm sure you could ilk out 1k a day easily if you put the work in.

-- This is coming from a dating/cams promoter and a porn viewer who has tried all these sites out, etc.

Thoughts?

This statement alone tells that your comment about hurting sales is not much credible. No offense meant. If you have been promoting porn for long, at least 4+ years, you would really be able to observe the effect of torrents and tubes.
But since you promote dating and cams, you don't know.

I know as a consumer though, and what i wrote is pretty logical when you think about it. I mean where is the solid evidence that shitty vid sites with 2 min clips on really affect sales of big sites with huge content on? Or is it just speculation and excuses?

You may be right, but since every consumer do not think same .. for some 3-4 full length videos of megarotic (and ya, they offer full screen with medium resolution) a day are enough, while for others downloading 1-2 full DVD via torrents a day is enough ... and rest, the customers like you are what we have on paysites. If there were not tubes and torrents, we might have some % of the first two types of surfers as customers as well. :2 cents:

I see you points.

Let's hear some others?

V, you need to learn to look for better porn. It isn't difficult for me to go onto sites like btmon and find porn at least as good quality as what it currently in membership sites, if not better, including full DVD images, complete site rips, and even captures of live cam shows. All of this in a quality high enough that most of the punters won't have a problem getting off on it.

The real issue these days with the torrent sites is that they have garnered very high results in Google, obtaining large amounts of traffic. Each time a person searches for "Mr Chews Asian Beaver" and ends up at a torrent site downloading the content instead of at the paysite pulling out a CC, the industry as a whole has likely lost a customer forever.

It is a cancer that is eroding the industry from the inside out. What we are seeing these days is the first signs of it poking through the skin.

2 minute clips? do you even know what you are talking about? I can find full length DVDs with little or no effort.

Ok, first of all, I look at traffic this way:

It's all one big pie, with slices for the whole industry to share.
All of this traffic is born on the Search Engines (SE's), with a constant influx of newcomers from them.
Eventually this traffic's quality will erode in our traffic pool.

The pretty much worst traffic is the one circulating between TGP's for instance, since it once came into our traffic pool from SE's
but after a while decided to stick to surfing the TGP's it became aware of (the "freeloader heaven").
This traffic isn't fresh to porn anymore, and finds less sensation in whatever it's looking at/for.

So, we constantly need the "fresh" surfers from the SE's, or the quality of the traffic in our traffic pool ("the pie") will deteriorate/erode... and our ratios dive further and further down.

This is where I see the main issue with this for us:

If we accept sites and concepts like tube and torrent sites, eventually those will rank higher and higher in the SE's.
What happens then is that the quality traffic goes to those sites, and convert to being "freeloader" traffic without giving US the first sales it produces. Left for us guys are only the same old freeloaders, plus NEW freeloaders coming to us after a while of sensation seeking on tube and torrent sites.
Of course, those sites WILL pick up the sales from these newcomers while they keep them,
and eventually it comes to us being less sales producing...

All in all, this makes it more difficult for regular affiliates to market paysites, with tighter margins and all. That also limits affiliates' freedom of marketing, so the ONLY profitable sites to market will be microniche/fetish sites.

Mainstream porn paysites will lose a lot of these regular affiliates and become really, *really* dependent on the tube and torrent sites' marketing.
And with that, they could be funding the downfall of the industry as we know it, where there's a lot of established, competively priced, shared resources for the businesses within it.

Mainstream porn paysite operators will have to work differently;
Massive budget demands for content and advertising, maybe even shift over to mainly producing & selling DVD's (less money on paysites but more for promotion of DVD's).

Niche/fetish paysite operators will have to work more, for *maybe* greater revenues;
Work harder, and pay more, to find quality affiliates (who understands their niches) - if the competition increases, even more hard work.

BTW, I'm talking about niches and fetishes like midgets, trannies, goth midget domination etc. here, lol.

This is nothing new though, it's only coming into effect a lot harder and faster now with these new types of sites pushing the envelope on what content is worth or not.

I know how to use torrents and never use them to download porn. It ties up my bandwidth and takes way too long to download a 700mb VCD or even worse, a straight DVD rip.

That was a damn good post.

If by this you mean that surfers don't use torrent sites for porn, then you're wrong. There are plenty of torrent sites dedicated specifically to porn and they have more traffic than many of the largest freesites combined.

If that's not what you meant, then sorry for trying to correct you.

I don't think a person who is really heavy into a niche (as in ready to pay) would waste his time fucking around with P2P. There's just too much material and information overload.

With that said, the greatest threat would be niche-specific throwaway sites hosted on blogspot/blogger that lists RS/MU/ZS links to full movies and CDs/DVDs. Lots of those popping up.

Also, sites like SHARE.MINER (take off the period) and other sites that act as fileupload directories/search engines aren't helping either.

I agree, that's why I came up with the idea of "good tubes" that send as much traffic as possible to the paysites and will keep the affiliate as a valuable partner.

I'm pushing the idea of ending traffic trades. The "recycling" of traffic is hurting affiliates as much as anything else. By running a content loaded tube site and not trading traffic you keep the surfers you have until they finally sign up. Less traffic at first but more money for sure.

See sig.

forums with tons of thumbnails and rapidshare links are really easy for surfers to use and often contain nearly full site rips

i have never heard of anyone complain about video sites that offer the same content affiliates use.. what i have seen is multitudes of complaints about video sites that use content real affiliates arent allowed to use. among other things.





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alexa says your wrong..

numbers don't lie . the adult industry has made less money last year for the first year ever..

yes

plenty of every kind of content on there
shows how little you know eh :winkwink:

alot of them don't

theres plenty of evidence to suggest it's a big problem , what evidence do you have to suggest it's a "small" problem ?
i have never heard anyone say " my site sucks , i blame torrents "

my thoughts are if you promote dating and cams then its no suprise you have such silly perceptions :)

Whatever, moron.

Another problem ist, that it takes only one "specialist" among a group of friends to feed a whole bunch with massive amounts of free porn.

come on, megarotic has LOTS of log videos

two 15 minutes vids in your preferred niche is a good jerk off session for the average surfer lol

this pretty much tells you everything you need to know about the person who started this thread. He asked for other opinions, he got a good one from someone who knows a hell of a lot more than him and his reply was " whatever, moron".


this is why i wouldn't waste my time replying to this guy to help educate him, he obviously knows it all already, so whats the point.

No but when some idiot replies with "yes" and "wrong", I start to lose respect for that person.

If you think smokey is an idiot then I hope you have a triple PHD in aeronautical engineering or something to validate that claim.

The only way to appreciate this is to walk in a persons shoes who deals with the problems, you don't have that experience of course.

To experience it first hand put yourself in the mindset of someone who spends their hard earned cash and valuable time setting up a site and then spends more time marketing it and feeding with more content.

Then see how you feel about when your content gets shared on a torrent or other form of sharing site and consider how much better your bottom line would be if they didn't exist.

Of course you could always try an experiment yourself.....take a percentage of the income you earn each month from the dating and cam sites that don't suffer from content redistribution and give it away to random strangers every month - thats pretty much how it feels.

So you don't like to be told you are wrong ?? :upsidedow he didnt just say yes and wrong, he had a lot more to his post then that.