Originally Posted by amacontent (Post 13167011)

but they could remove 2257 after approval

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 13167086)

didn't the owner of CCBILL not long ago make a thread on here with his idea how to combat content theft? I think a nice start might include NOT PROCESSING credit cards for them :helpme

Originally Posted by BV (Post 13167211)

Wasn't there just a thread about this site a couple weeks ago?

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 13167243)

no clue, i never saw one but i don't read all threads.

CCBILL may not as policy make their processing clients prove copyright ownership but in this case, CCBILL is very familiar with this industry and the nature of that site should be readily apparent to anybody there.

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 13167044)

Joe that site is filled with stolen content - they don't have any age ID documentation for anything on that site.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 13167519)

mutt, is it your content? if not, you're out of the loop and have no business calling anyonw out about it.
Especially on the weekend.
as a clue, normal business hours do not include weekends.

Originally Posted by Beaver Bob (Post 13167537)

CCBill client support is available 24/7 (excellent customer support everytime btw), so their business hours are on the weekend.

Originally Posted by vanderweb (Post 13167584)

fucking-around-and-business-discussion/766347-cc-bill-im-calling.html

This was brought up before and all the gfy elites had no problem with it and blamed the poster. This biz is truly sick and the fact they defend sites like this to be bros is beyond disgusting. It's not really even worth posting cause they will put you in the wrong somehow ...

I don't know how anyone could look up to people like this ...

Originally Posted by BV (Post 13167453)

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ccbill+redtube

There is the other thread. Not sure what was resolved out of it but the thread starter sure got reamed.

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 13172173)

Seeing that my stolen content is on that site I'd love to hear what ccbill has to say about this. I'm surprised this thread is dead today.

Originally Posted by chompers (Post 13170595)

any news from ccbill about this?

Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 13172241)

CCbill has made it clear a few times.

1. They are a large and busy company and can not check every site to make sure they have proper licensing.
2. They do a check for visa approval when they set it up, occassionally they do spot checks but they have tens of thousands of sites to go through.
3. They take quick action when they recieve a DMCA from any content copyright holder. By having them show proof or remove all content listed.
4. If they recieve multiple DMCA's showing ongoing copyright infringment they will pull billing of said site.

So if a site is legal when it goes up they can swap shit around after they get visa approval and then unfortunatly it is in others hands unless they get caught in a red light violation (i.e. random spot check)

Webmasters need to alert others when they find such stolen content. Then content copyright holders need to spend the whole 3 minutes to fill out a proper DMCA and send it to site owner, CCbill, and hosting company. End of story. (however many copyright holders are to damn lazy to do it, well ussually the mid range to small companies are).

Originally Posted by JMM (Post 13048819)

Let me see if I can clearly explain why a company like CCBill cannot act until they are notified.

The DMCA provides service providers a safe harbor from liability IF they act expeditiously when notified of infringement (A DMCA letter).

Failure to act when properly notifed exposes a company like CCBill to the same liability as the direct infringer.

Now, here is the problem:

CCBill processes for tens of thousands of sites, some of which I am certain deal in stolen content.

If CCBill were to cease processing on sites that they THINK, or BELIEVE are dealing in stolen content WITHOUT being notified by the rights holder, they would then assume the liability for ALL sites that they process for.

So in otherwords, site A, B, and C are all dealing in stolen content. CCBill, acting on a hunch, or a belief, cancels processing for sites A and B (without ever receiving a DMCA notice from the rights holder of the content).

They miss site C, also dealing in stolen content, and continue processing.

They have now assumed the liability for the infringing activity of site C.

The argument would be made, hey..you nixed A and B, but you continued to process for C. You believed that A and B were dealing in stolen content, well you should have believed site C was also.

Pay up.

That is why the DMCA notice was provided for in the DMCA. That is why companies like CCBill, eBay, etc CANNOT act in advance without proper notification, but MUST and do act upon proper notification.

It is all about liability.

Hope that clears things up.

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 13166628)

not cool at all that you are processing for a tube site like this

http://www.redtube.com/2151

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 13172718)

sorry Jeff that doesn't wash - unbeknownst to me there was a previous thread here on GFY about this site and CCBILL was aware of it. I joined the site last night and here is some of what I found in it. CCBILL knows most of these sites very well, they process for most if not all of them and these girls are eminently famous in our industry - Raven Riley, Alison Angel, Kate from KatesPlayground, Melissa Midwest, NextDoorNikki, Dream/TeenKelly etc - it should not take a DMCA for them to know what is going on with this site - all it would have taken is for them to hit up Chris from FTV, Melissa, Spunky and ask 'We noticed your content in this site, we thought you should know as our valued clients -let us know if this site has been given permission to use the content, if not, send us a DMCA and we'll pull their processing, thanks'.

Originally Posted by corvette (Post 13043010)

Ripshit, I assure you that we take the issue with clients using unlicensed content very seriously. You will not find any clients that are still processing with us that we have received multiple dmca notices on. In many cases, it is difficult to tell what sites have unlicensed content, and we are not in a position to shut the billing mechanism down of one of our clients if we ?suspect? that they are using unlicensed content.

In any case, I understand this is hot topic and rightfully so. If/when we receive dmca notices that indicate one of our clients is using content they do not have a right to use, that client will not be processing with us any longer. Now I understand that the immediate response to my post by some will be ?well, you guys should just know when a site is using other peoples content and not accept it.? but the reality is that the staff in CCBill policy review do not have a way of knowing for certain whether a site is using content that they are not allowed to use and by law we have to abide by the DMCA

It is very simple process to send us DMCA notices, you don?t need an attorney and it only takes a few moments (see below) and if/when contacted, we will hold your hand through this very quick process. ([email protected], icq 45471840).

If your content is on somebody elses site without your permission, we want to know about it as much as you do


As an ISP, CCBill follows the procedures prescribed by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) for notification, takedown, and counter-notification. If you believe that a CCBill client has something on a website that constitutes infringement of your copyrights, or if any of your other intellectual property rights have been violated, please provide the following information to CCBill's Registered DMCA Agent:
1. Your electronic or physical signature.
2. A description of the copyrighted work and where the original work is located.
3. A description of where the infringement is located.
4. Your address, telephone number, and email address.
5. A statement by you that you have a good faith belief that the use of the work is not authorized by the copyright owner, agent, or the law.
6. A statement by you, that under penalty of perjury, that the above information is accurate and that you are the copyright owner or authorized to act on the owner's behalf.
Please send all legal notices to:
http://businesscenter.ccbill.com/htm...copyright.html

Originally Posted by corvette (Post 13177823)

with all due respect, i think this post i had made in the previous thread would apply here, as you are referring to the same website

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 13181056)

I emailed you and I'm waiting for a reply

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 13187995)

here's the good news - RedTube no longer processed by CCBILL :thumbsup

good job CCBILL