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BigFire 09-17-2007 06:38 AM

Offshore incorporating services
 
Hello,

Can anybody recommend a good offshore incorporating service? Recently I contacted a couple companies but after I explained the nature of the business they mostly replied:

??.the content of the Website's that you support are against our compliance policies and procedures?.?

What?s the best country to go with? The company country should be in a country that can register at PaycomEU or CCBillEU and have a yearly tax fee, no accounting required.

Twoface31 09-17-2007 07:25 AM

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BigFire 09-17-2007 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Twoface31 (Post 13098580)
i can suggest digit-idea.com or pm me on my ICQ lets discuss it over the IM's

I am not looking for outsourcing....

polish_aristocrat 09-17-2007 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFire (Post 13098682)
I am not looking for outsourcing....

lool at that spam

anyway, i know most banks dont like adult money, but why are these "offshore incorporation" companies having problems with establishing you an offshore company for your business?

thats strange

pornguy 09-17-2007 08:04 AM

What countries were these companies in??

xato 09-17-2007 08:08 AM

http://www.wsr.biz

dont have any experience with them, however they have been around for 5+ years.

BigFire 09-17-2007 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 13098689)
lool at that spam

anyway, i know most banks dont like adult money, but why are these "offshore incorporation" companies having problems with establishing you an offshore company for your business?

thats strange

Yeah, I wonder about that too

BigFire 09-17-2007 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by xato (Post 13098740)
http://www.wsr.biz

dont have any experience with them, however they have been around for 5+ years.

I tired them before but I don't have any good experience with them

BigFire 09-17-2007 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 13098724)
What countries were these companies in??

The last one was from Isle of Man

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webgurl 09-17-2007 11:45 AM

some posters in this thread are really dumb or a spambot
it's one or the other .

polish_aristocrat 09-17-2007 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFire (Post 13099886)
I tired them before but I don't have any good experience with them

could you elaborate a little on that?

u-Bob 09-17-2007 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 13100164)
could you elaborate a little on that?

what he said.

Z 09-17-2007 03:12 PM

Google "sovereign management" and tell them that I sent you. ;-)

BigFire 09-18-2007 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 13100164)
could you elaborate a little on that?

The support is very bad, answers on support emails are all copy/paste from pre-made text and you never get an exact reply on your question. After spending months and months on having the bank account opened the bank replied they don?t accept companies that trade over the internet, after that they send me a contact info of a bank that resists in the occupied area of Cyprus and after doing some research over the net this bank is listed like an illegal bank and I don?t want to keep money there.
In other cases after I picked the country they asked for a business plan and tons of documents that they said isn?t needed than I asked before?.

BigFire 09-18-2007 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Z (Post 13101266)
Google "sovereign management" and tell them that I sent you. ;-)

I just checked them but they don't register any countries accpeted by Paycom EU

BigFire 09-18-2007 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFire (Post 13104419)
.....the bank replied they don?t accept companies that trade over the internet?.

Just for your info that was Barclays

webair 09-18-2007 08:49 AM

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BigFire 09-18-2007 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by webair (Post 13104689)

Thank you Webair!

jalami 09-18-2007 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFire (Post 13098434)
Hello,

Can anybody recommend a good offshore incorporating service? Recently I contacted a couple companies but after I explained the nature of the business they mostly replied:

??.the content of the Website's that you support are against our compliance policies and procedures?.?

What?s the best country to go with? The company country should be in a country that can register at PaycomEU or CCBillEU and have a yearly tax fee, no accounting required.

I'm not sure if there is any PaycomEU/CCBillEU accepted jurisidiction that doesn't require accounting from its corporations. Gibraltar used to be the ticket but their offshore corporations are on the way out. Cyprus also has taxation requirements in addition to accounting. And the other classic EU offshore jurisdictions, such as Jersey, Guerney, Isle of Man, etc require accounting.

GreyWolf 09-18-2007 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFire (Post 13100035)
The last one was from Isle of Man

Sounds like you are dealing with what are cynically known as "professionals" - usually with corp offices in different jurisdictions and not really interested in corp formation, but more in wiping your ass professionally for ongoing monthly fees :winkwink: Not all, but a fair number of these companies are little more than leeches.

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What?s the best country to go with? The company country should be in a country that can register at PaycomEU or CCBillEU and have a yearly tax fee, no accounting required.
The "best country" depends on where you personally are resident - this has meaning down the line.

If you are intent on dealing with Paycom/CCBill in the EU, that narrows down the options and there would normally be a need for a corp presence somewhere in the EU. Unfortunately, there are accounting requirements in all "offshore" corps in the EU, tho understand what you mean - there are plenty scenario's where there is no need for formal accounting.

BigFire 09-18-2007 09:55 AM

[QUOTE=jalami;13104934

Gibraltar used to be the ticket but their offshore corporations are on the way out.

[/QUOTE]

Would you please explain?

GreyWolf 09-18-2007 10:04 AM

BigFire:

OK.. Will try to be constructive, tho it all depends on your background/current residency/citizenship and what you want to achieve in the end.

First, the Isle of Man, Channel Isles etc are not really "offshore" jurisdictions. They ceased to be about a decade ago, but still can offer an element of lower taxation etc.

It may be an option to select a jurisdiction offering most of what you are looking for and then proceed to set up a corp structure. This normally has at least two, or possibly more corps involved and in different jurisdictions.

Off the cuff - an instant thought would be to have a Gibraltar corp which is owned by a Panama corp. Times are changing in Gib, but with the correct tools in place, this makes little difference when you have "facilities" to play with. Basically the Gib corp never earns any profits (other than basic 10% stuff and little or no tax) - the profits are transferred to your Panama corp by inviocing the Gib corp and in Panama there is no taxation applicable or any accounting requirements.

jalami 09-18-2007 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GreyWolf (Post 13105092)
BigFire:
Off the cuff - an instant thought would be to have a Gibraltar corp which is owned by a Panama corp. Times are changing in Gib, but with the correct tools in place, this makes little difference when you have "facilities" to play with. Basically the Gib corp never earns any profits (other than basic 10% stuff and little or no tax) - the profits are transferred to your Panama corp by inviocing the Gib corp and in Panama there is no taxation applicable or any accounting requirements.

That sounds good, but why waste time with a Gibraltar corp in that setup? You could have a UK corporation, with European directors, that has the merchant account, and then transfer the profits to the Panama corp. Or better yet, if the merchant account provider allows, you could have the settlements sent directly to a Panamanian bank.

polish_aristocrat 09-18-2007 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFire (Post 13104419)
The support is very bad, answers on support emails are all copy/paste from pre-made text and you never get an exact reply on your question. After spending months and months on having the bank account opened the bank replied they don?t accept companies that trade over the internet, after that they send me a contact info of a bank that resists in the occupied area of Cyprus and after doing some research over the net this bank is listed like an illegal bank and I don?t want to keep money there.
In other cases after I picked the country they asked for a business plan and tons of documents that they said isn?t needed than I asked before?.

ok that speaks volumes about them, thx for the warning

polish_aristocrat 09-18-2007 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFire (Post 13104443)
Just for your info that was Barclays

Barclays offshore (as in Jersye, Isle of Man or Guernsey) - they dont accept web companies at all? or only adult?

if the second, then its understood, but it seems strange that a bank has a real rule about not accepting web stuff, although from my observation it can happen indeed, but its strange nevertheless

btw can you tell me what companies like this one are doign exactly? are you sending the docs, such as notarised passport copies, bank references if applicable etc - to them and then they send it to the bank?

also, you were declined by Barclays but you didnt have an offshore company yet? or were you applying for a personal account at that time?

GreyWolf 09-18-2007 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jalami (Post 13105198)
That sounds good, but why waste time with a Gibraltar corp in that setup? You could have a UK corporation, with European directors, that has the merchant account, and then transfer the profits to the Panama corp. Or better yet, if the merchant account provider allows, you could have the settlements sent directly to a Panamanian bank.

Agree - could use a UK corp jalami. A non resident UK corp is obviously cheaper on setup and could have the same effect - especially if the beneficial owner is "clean" and not bogged down with taxation rules/obligations wherever they reside. If there is a need for a degree of privacy - it's probably better hitting back to a Gib-type scenario.

This stuff really depends on what nationality/residency the principals or beneficiaries have, what personal obligations exist under their tax laws blah blah.

The simplest scenario of all is to be resident offshore - this keeps everything "legal" and you can play with almost any OS or multi-corp structure in whatever jurisdictions. Under that situation, there is nothing to hide and really no need for stuff like nominee dirs etc. (tho they still can have their uses). Been doing this for many years now and sure saves time on form-filling and a tax-free scenario which also cuts out all related paperwork. It's nice to concentrate on doing actual biz than wasting time being unpaid clerks to a revenue agency.

CarlosTheGaucho 09-18-2007 01:00 PM

Without further do, mail at [email protected]

One of my best friends should be able to help you out.

Cyber Fucker 09-18-2007 01:08 PM

I know one reliable company that know everything about this stuff and that can help you out. Hit me up and I will give you the address.

BigFire 09-19-2007 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreyWolf (Post 13105092)
BigFire:

OK.. Will try to be constructive, tho it all depends on your background/current residency/citizenship and what you want to achieve in the end.

First, the Isle of Man, Channel Isles etc are not really "offshore" jurisdictions. They ceased to be about a decade ago, but still can offer an element of lower taxation etc.

It may be an option to select a jurisdiction offering most of what you are looking for and then proceed to set up a corp structure. This normally has at least two, or possibly more corps involved and in different jurisdictions.

Off the cuff - an instant thought would be to have a Gibraltar corp which is owned by a Panama corp. Times are changing in Gib, but with the correct tools in place, this makes little difference when you have "facilities" to play with. Basically the Gib corp never earns any profits (other than basic 10% stuff and little or no tax) - the profits are transferred to your Panama corp by inviocing the Gib corp and in Panama there is no taxation applicable or any accounting requirements.

Thanks GreyWolf, I have a question about this part:

>Basically the Gib corp never earns any profits (other than basic 10% stuff and little or no tax) - the profits are transferred to your Panama corp by inviocing the Gib corp and in Panama there is no taxation applicable or any accounting requirements

How should I handle that? It sounds very simple but I don't get exactly the point what to do with the invoices.

>Times are changing in Gib
Does that apply for non-resident Gibraltar companies too?

BigFire 09-19-2007 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 13105267)
Barclays offshore (as in Jersye, Isle of Man or Guernsey) - they dont accept web companies at all? or only adult?

if the second, then its understood, but it seems strange that a bank has a real rule about not accepting web stuff, although from my observation it can happen indeed, but its strange nevertheless

Their deny was for internet trading in general


Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 13105267)

btw can you tell me what companies like this one are doign exactly? are you sending the docs, such as notarised passport copies, bank references if applicable etc - to them and then they send it to the bank?

They send you the documents and review it, after the documents are filled out correctly and you have all the needed additional documents they give you the bank address to send the documents directly to.

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 13105267)
also, you were declined by Barclays but you didnt have an offshore company yet? or were you applying for a personal account at that time?

The offshore company was created and the account was for it

polish_aristocrat 09-19-2007 04:20 AM

so in other words you have established an offshore corp which you cant use now and still didnt get a bank account?

if you got a bank, you can email me (email in sig) to tell what bank you got if you dont mind

good luck to you


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