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WHY THE FUCK is my divorce lawyer reading me my info from CCBILL??

09-10-2002, 09:58 AM

I want to know WHY THE FUCK

1. A FULL copy of the contract that was signed between me and CCbill was provided to my wife's attorney.

2. A FULL record of ALL of the money that I made from the beginning of the website up to now.

3. WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T CCBILL NOTIFY ME THAT A REQUEST WAS MADE FOR MY INFORMATION OR THAT INFORMATION WAS GIVEN?

Now I understand that information gets provided due to subpoenas and things like that, but how in the world could the court prove that the site was mine in the first place? there wasn't a picture of me anywhere on the site. there isn't any reference to my real name or anything on the site. When you do a WHOIS database lookup, the information is fake..so how the fuck did they get enough to get a subpoena in the first place? Can a court just subpoena anybody they fucking want to without regard and the information be given.

When my lawyer was reading off my payments, my heart dropped. I'm just pissed that I wasn't even told about the shit by CCbill and not looking like a dumbass when my own laywer gives me the shit.

Thanks to this, I will have to get another processor for my site. One that won't lie down for some bullshit and not even notify the webmaster about what's going on. But I can't drop ccbill do to my recurring customers. I'll be gotdamned if CCbill will be giving away all of my info without telling me anything.

Thanks a lot CCbill. and if you want to know my account #, icq me at 120838664...and i'll be on the phone with you in a little while anyway.

Any processors that want to process for a new site and won't give out information about me WITHOUT AT LEAST TELLING ME AFTER IT HAPPENED, get at me....I'll be making the change in a few weeks.

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09-10-2002, 09:59 AM

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09-10-2002, 09:59 AM

whoa.

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09-10-2002, 10:00 AM

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09-10-2002, 10:00 AM

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09-10-2002, 10:02 AM

That's fucked up.
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09-10-2002, 10:03 AM

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09-10-2002, 10:04 AM

was your account under a business name or your name?
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09-10-2002, 10:04 AM

don't some states allow this? the wife has full access to the husband's property? i think this is reason #1 or #2 not to get married.
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09-10-2002, 10:05 AM

lol, sorry, but... they don't have to do jack shit. =)

It's all well and legal, if they were asked to give your information for divorce proceedings...

And they aren't obligated to let you know either...

It's the basis that you're supposed to be fucking honest with #1, your lawyer, and #2, your wife.

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09-10-2002, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by PureMeds
was your account under a business name or your name?

it was under my name but what fucking difference does that make?

A COPY OF THE CONTRACT I SIGNED WITH THEM WAS PROVIDED!!!

A COPY OF ALL OF THE FUCKING MONEY THAT I'VE MADE SINCE THE BEGINNING WAS PROVIDED!!

I WASN'T EVEN FUCKING NOTIFIED!!!

You're not supposed to do that to an individual or a business

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09-10-2002, 10:07 AM

Damn, that sucks.

I wonder if they required proof that she is your wife? Or could anyone pull some shit like that to get someone's $$$ records?

Scary.

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09-10-2002, 10:08 AM

come on where is that guy that always says "I fucked her"

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09-10-2002, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by DrewKole
lol, sorry, but... they don't have to do jack shit. =)

maybe they don't "have" to but public relations go a long way.

And i didn't do anything illegal...if they had proof of a crime, it would be different..but this is A CIVIL MATTER.

I had a recent problem with another webmaster taking my design and my idea for his site. I call CCbill and they won't do jack shit. They said that there was no fucking way that I would have any recourse and there was no way that their info could be given.

Plus, there was no way to fucking prove that the site was mine in the first place. So that means that just any fucking body can think that a website is yours, subpoena ccbill and ccbill will just give out all of the info WITHOUT telling me about it.

And why the fuck would I lie to my own lawyer?? my lawyer only told me because MY WIFE'S LAWYER sent it...and I have never spoken to him in my life.

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09-10-2002, 10:13 AM

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That's fucked up.

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09-10-2002, 10:14 AM

you are not telling us something and your story makes ZERO sence.

What is your URL dont make me subpoena ccbill

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09-10-2002, 10:15 AM

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09-10-2002, 10:15 AM

that's why KimmyKim got all your bases. the reason I never used CCbill cuzz KimmyKim worked there.
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09-10-2002, 10:18 AM

Anyone's opinion on whether he has a case to sue CC Bill?
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09-10-2002, 10:20 AM

Community property laws... possible alimony renumerations etc etc all tilt for the one sueing for divorce and then the counter claimant. All they had to do is subpeona ANYone in this trade that could possibly be doing business with you and *if* that entity has information on you, oops. They are required to hand it over in full usually. If they don't then obviously they don't have anything to turn over.

Like someone said ccBill doesn't have to nor will most companies, notify you that they were served and complied. That could draw them in to the litigation possibly. Thats not public relations, its the way it is.

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09-10-2002, 10:22 AM

I assume his wife knew his name and his domain name and/or account number, so he's pretty fucked.

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09-10-2002, 10:22 AM

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09-10-2002, 10:23 AM

this guy has no basis of anything specially since I dont think the wife story is true hes got something that he is not saying I will find out soon.

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09-10-2002, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by RATBOY
Anyone's opinion on whether he has a case to sue CC Bill?

On what grounds? They didn't do anything illegal. BVF is upset for no reason, he should have turned over the documents to begin with.

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09-10-2002, 10:24 AM

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09-10-2002, 10:25 AM

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I fucked her.

You and Boneprone???

Anyway his problem doesn't seem to be the info was released. His problem seems to be he wasn't notified of the release... which I agree is B.S. Not that they had to -- it's just the right thing to do IMO.

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09-10-2002, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by EscortBiz
this guy has no basis of anything specially since I dont think the wife story is true hes got something that he is not saying I will find out soon.

wtf are u talking about? What kind of proof do u want...would u like to smell his nuts? Let the man sort out his problems..its bad enough she's trying to take his porn empire which is obviously something that she didnt earn or he would not have not let her know what he was doing

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09-10-2002, 10:27 AM

fuck marriage and fuck companies who don't notify a client that they are giving out someone's information

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09-10-2002, 10:31 AM

Ouch!

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09-10-2002, 10:31 AM

You remember all the time you went and showed off your stats to your wife, showing her how much money you made with your sites?

Well next time SHUT THE FUCK UP and just tell her nothing, and give her a couple hundred bucks to go shopping once in a while...

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09-10-2002, 10:35 AM

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09-10-2002, 10:37 AM

That is just classless of CCBILL.
What kind of company would not notify their own client when they release his/her personal information to a third party?

I hope your lawyer can come up with something to catch CCBILL on, they need to be taught some manners!

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09-10-2002, 10:41 AM

The information would be relatively easy to gather as long as she knew your domain name. If she didn't know your domain name I'm sure she could have gathered that from a friend or associate.

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09-10-2002, 10:42 AM

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09-10-2002, 10:56 AM

look man I'm already fucked. I just got off of the phone with ccbill...apparently, my wife's lawyer convinced the court somehow so that he could get a subpoena. Either way, all of my child support payments (if any) will be calculated off of my website income. 25% of what I make can pay her rent and some bills to boot.

it seems like ANY billing company that is served by a subpoena, regardless of what basis it has, MUST turn over the information to the party, EVEN IF the website owner didn't commit any kind of crimes.

So even though CCbill was required to give out my info, I'm still pissed that I wasn't even notified and I now MUST change my billing company before the divorce is finalized. Thank God I can prove that she is a psychotic drunk who picks up the kid from school with alcohol on her breath. If she was a regular 9-5 sober woman like most others, I'd be fucked because because of the pornography, I would lose custody and on top of that I would have to pay a percentage of what I make from the pornography...how stupid is that?

Thank God she didn't subpoena my sponsors.

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I'm about to do a Michael Jackson and make that "change"

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09-10-2002, 11:00 AM

If what you say about her is true, why don't you go after the kids? I wouldn't let my kids stay with a mom like that, no way in hell.

And don't tell me you don't want the kids, please.

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09-10-2002, 11:10 AM

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09-10-2002, 11:18 AM

Rules vary from state to state, but in general - as long as there is a lawsuit - someone can subpoena stuff.

In this case it would be relevant, but you are by no means REQUIRED to turn stuff over on a subpoeana - you can file a motion to quash the subpoeana, but in this case - I think you would lose. And CC Bill isn't going to care - they will just give out the info.

I have had my info requested in this manner before - and some places let me know - while some places did not.

A subpoeana is usually not signed by a judge - I have done my own before - and when I went to the clerks office - I found out the gave BLANK SIGNED subpoeanas to lawyers, but not to me - but they stamped mine there.

Your lawyer should have told you all this. Good luck.
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09-10-2002, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
If what you say about her is true, why don't you go after the kids? I wouldn't let my kids stay with a mom like that, no way in hell.

And don't tell me you don't want the kids, please.

of course I'm going after the kids!! I'm not crazy...The problem is that if we take this divorce thing through, BOTH of us will get investigated. Me for the pornography and her for her drunkedness. I just don't think that children should be brought into this bullshit but she's doing it.

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09-10-2002, 12:15 PM

I know it sucks but CCBill has no legal reason to notify you of the information they've given or even if they start to garnish your income when you don't pay your child support.

When it comes to child support, they can take it directly from CCBill or whoever your "employer" is. If you switch to a new billing company & try to hide the information, they will just start garnishing your bank account directly.

I've seen it happen to a friend of mine that had no idea until he noticed a chunk of cash missing from his check & had to call to find out what was going on. He was extra fucked cuz he *had* been making his payments, but was giving his ex cash which, of course, she denied ever receiving.

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09-10-2002, 12:16 PM

Hopefully you are incorperated then you can put it in Someone elses name like a sister or someone you trust.

Get a good attorney
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09-10-2002, 12:20 PM

if I were you I'd sue CCbill unless they can provide a suponia.

The info is meaningless casue it wouldn't show expenses and you can make those say whatever you want.

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09-10-2002, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream
if I were you I'd sue CCbill unless they can provide a suponia.

The info is meaningless casue it wouldn't show expenses and you can make those say whatever you want.

Are you on drugs? You think ccbill gives out all the info if someone calls and asks? I cant even get them to change my payment method without filling out forms and faxing them in

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09-10-2002, 01:05 PM

Looks like your wife's lawyer discovered that you were making money from CCBill. It's not difficult; I'm sure it's a matter of course when a divorce starts for lawyers to contact the IRS and your banks to figure out how much you money really make. One way or another, the money CCBill sends you ends up in a bank account and I'll bet you it's got your name on it someway.

You can't bitch at CCBill because they gave that information out. Requests like this go through CCBill's legal department; I'll bet your rep didn't even know about it.

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09-10-2002, 03:20 PM

I wouldn't worry about ccbill or what they did.. I'm sure it isn't the first time they've been faced with this and their legal eagles no what they must do...

Just go for the kids. Being with a drunk exposes them to obvious dangers, and if you don't expose them to your business, you have a good shot at it.. unless you live in the country where the bible thumping kangaroo courts could care less about what the mom does and just gives them to her..

No doubt your business will be questioned and probably blown way out of proportion by her lawyer, but it isn't illegal, nor does it present any harm to your kids.

Try to get some video of 'Mom' in her drunkened state, or get a few credible witnesses..

Just don't give up. Kids don't need to be with drunk parents.
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09-10-2002, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by AbuckOr2
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09-10-2002, 03:47 PM

Dude it's just money...
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09-10-2002, 05:26 PM

I hate to tell you this but you?re fucked. The Lawyer isn?t even using this for child support calculations. He/she can do that with tax returns. They are using this data to generate a cash value of your business. Even in non-community property states the wife is entitled to half the increase in the value of the business during the marriage plus half the goodwill value business. So expect to dole out quite a bit of cake to your wife to buy her share of the business. At this point it doesn?t matter if you switch all of you billing accounts and so on. The lawyer already has your track record of how much your business it capable of earning. BTW: the drunken/drug addicted spouse arguments rarely work in custody battles unless you have a criminal record, and or a history of treatment to back it up. Without more than just your statements it will just come across as sour grapes
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09-10-2002, 06:29 PM

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09-10-2002, 06:34 PM

I feel for you Playa, I dont know how u did your payroll, (which would be money you owe for support or whateva), but you will basically have to show that you didnt personally profit. Close the site corportation and open up an new one (ex. BVF Enterprise) in a "trust"
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