Stock market put options placed today similar to those shortly before 9/11
 

Shortly before 9/11 anonymous investors placed puts options (basically bets that stocks will crash) on United and American Airlines, the companies whos planes would be hijacked shortly after. This was later traced back to a dutch bank with ties to a former CIA director.

Today, similar anonymous put options were placed which indicates someone has foreknowledge that the general public does not.

These anonymous investors are basically risking $1 Billion dollars that we're going to have another 9/11 by September 21st, or they'll lose their money.

Now, today....

very interesting read

I always found this to be the most interesting part about 9/11, put options on American and United airlines went up by a HUGE unprescidented increase - someone knew exactly what was going to happen, all the way down to exactly which airlines would be hijacked.

I want to know who those people were! :mad:

indeed...

building 7 people building 7

wierd :(

ZOMG they drop tah bomb$!

bs. any company will have puts on it at any time. especially shitty companies that usually lose bunches like airlines.

i think if we find out who...it would cause more problems than good....

Great,

Thats all I need to here when I have alot of travelling coming up.

Fuck me

Snopes Link:

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.asp

The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the "9/11 Commission") investigated these rumors and found that although some unusual (and initially seemingly suspicious) trading activity did occur in the days prior to September 11, it was all coincidentally innocuous and not the result of insider trading by parties with foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks:

Highly publicized allegations of insider trading in advance of 9/11 generally rest on reports of unusual pre-9/11 trading activity in companies whose stock plummeted after the attacks. Some unusual trading did in fact occur, but each such trade proved to have an innocuous explanation. For example, the volume of put options — instruments that pay off only when a stock drops in price — surged in the parent companies of United Airlines on September 6 and American Airlines on September 10 — highly suspicious trading on its face. Yet, further investigation has revealed that the trading had no connection with 9/11. A single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6 as part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American on September 10. Similarly, much of the seemingly suspicious trading in American on September 10 was traced to a specific U.S.-based options trading newsletter, faxed to its subscribers on Sunday, September 9, which recommended these trades. The SEC and FBI, aided by other agencies and the securities industry, devoted enormous resources to investigating this issue, including securing the cooperation of many foreign governments. These investigators have found that the apparently suspicious consistently proved innocuous.

interesting, but how about linking to the source?

nm, the source is apparently: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...rket_crash.htm

hahaha no suspicious links??? Are you NUTS??

Most of the investments in these put options originated in Germany through the Deutsche Bank. Deutshce Bank had earlier acquired Banker’s Trust, a investment banking firm whose Vice Chairman in charge of “private client relations” in the late 1990’s was A. B. “Buzzy” Krongard. In March of 2001, Krongard was appointed Executive Director of the CIA.

Yeah no links to Bin Laden, just our own CIA, thats real comforting.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

yeah, now that site sounds like a credible source... I'm going to buy some put options myself, I guess...

One of the original links about it was from a regular stock trading forum...even a lot of them are getting worried about something too
http://www.tickerforum.org/cgi-ticke...st=4669&page=1

no its not.. read that article again..

Umm... You are quoting a conspiracy theorist as though he is stating a fact. There was no independent investigators that traced the money back to Deutsche Bank and the CIA ED was not involved with the true trades that sparked rumors. Those trades were done by an American in America.

Conspiracy theories that make no sense, articles with no citations, rumors, hate, blah, blah, blah --it's amazing the crap that some people will believe.

Still, another 9/11 IS coming. Only the Neocons truly understand the imminent threat that our nation faces.

The peaceniks and the Dems woke up briefly when the national clock face showed 9:11, but now they are back asleep, dreaming of partisan victory.

I pray an attack doesn't happen, but I take Al Qaeda at face value for their claim that the next attack will be a biggie.

lol now there is a dead give away..

I have a conspiracy theory for you guys..

check this out..

We all know Alberto Gonzales resigned today right? Well as luck would have it, the Daily Show and Jon Stewart are on vacation for the next two weeks. Any time anything big happens, it's while Jon Stewart is on vacation.

Think about..






:uhoh :costumed13 :uhoh

Read some books about trading. This kind of stuff has happened throughout the history of the world's stockmarkets. It's because these are pro investors and big hedge fund managers. In this case, they got it right. They make alot of money in one fell swoop coz they made an educated guess about what was going to happen based on their indicators. Looks bad but it's largely co-incidental. The 9/11 one was VERY co-incidental but still these kind of trades happen all the time. And they don't always get it right.

You would think the return would be a lot higher on a 33%-50% crash. 300% isn't exactly earth shattering.

Allegedly. Quote a real source or it's bullshit, IMO. I'm the nuts one, heh. :1orglaugh

anonymous investors on wall street :)

If you bought 1 billion in puts on the chance of a 1/3 decrease in the Euro stoxx you would be making WAY more than 2 billion. You'd make close to a *KAZILLION*

no attack yet :)

Anyone who knows anything about investment banking knows that BILLIONS of dollars trade hands everyday, from institutional investors alone.

One of my best friends works for Commerzbank in Germany, and within his first couple years of college (so he was what, 20 or 21) had well over €1 million to play with DAILY. Investment banks have so much fucking money to throw around its not even funny. Hell, my cousin is an investment banker in New York and his boss made over $900 million last year on his salary alone. :2 cents:

Not saying this kinda stuff doesn't concern me, just saying that its easy to be taken out of context.

Snopes has ZERO credibility on this issue. They had better stick to their childish urban legends.

Snopes' only citation is a government investigation into the pre-9/11 trading and that no charges were brought against the investor.

THINK ABOUT IT FOLKS.

If this investor (allegedly a former high ranking CIA official) had been charged with insider trading, the US government would be ADMITTING that an American knew 9/11 was going to happen but they did not!

Even if this were true, they wouldn't charge him for just that reason.

so your theory is that when he (cia man) heard of the possibility or rumors of an attack, he went back to his former colleagues at the german bank and made an investment through them for put options on those airlines..?

but you are not listing any sources.. just spinning..

btw, i am in LA and here all is well. the stock market did very well today.

4 days left for this?