Are pornographers morally bankrupt?
 

Pornographers, the scum of society to many. We're not so bad in effect, just morally bankrupt in many people's eyes. However, we don't directly kill or make life and death decisions based on profit.

Would you be willing to trade one life in some far off place every year for an extra $10k a year in income?

is this a trick question? :eek7

"is this a trick question?"

Nope, straight up.

colin, it is too early in the morning for your mind games.

just... please... give us the answer already. :helpme

i dont feel guilty at all. i dont produce products that have a direct influence in the pollution of our environment, i do not produce weapons (althoug i have a full auto assault rifle at home), on the contrary, i provide the thing that makes men happy!

just our fucked up societies, no difference from the us to europe and from asia to southamerica want to tell us to show naked women is worse than killing people....

How many fight have started over someone watching your porn? How many people have broken up their relationships over looking at porn?

Im not saying they're the best relationships, if they cant even talk about something without breaking up what good is being in that relationship.

How about when daddy is looking at porn and sees his own daughter on there? I'm sure there are countless lives which have been ruined from ths business.

It goes a lot deeper than just trading a life for a few bucks. No I wouldn't do it, and neither would anyone else I know personally. But Greed IS a very prominent part in this business. With so many people trying to make a living off porn, there is a lot of the bad element here too.

Just like witchcraft...Real Wicca has nothing to do with Satanism or Voodoo. The basic premis is, "An it harm none, do what thou will." Yet, because of Christian propaganda and centuries of inbred ideas, it has a bad rap, and that bad rep attracts the bad elements like no other religion. (Just an example)

Same goes for porn. There are a lot of shady, sick and twisted individuals in this business, then there are the real people who are kind, caring, loving people who just see nothing wrong with showing off what God gave us in the first place.

The thing I'm seeing more and more is those who are more than willing to say the surfer is not thier friend, just thier income. They are willing to trick, cheat and steal from them in any way they deem neccessary to get thier money. Just drawing the line at murder doesn't make these individuals good people, which is what all of us should be concerning ourselves with first. It's not the porn business that makes us bad, it's greed.

because he rather sees his daughter married with an army general than naked? c'mon - who is messed up she who does no fucking harm to any one or her dads who is narrow minded.

i am not speaking about some fucking snuff here, but about general soft- and hardcore stuff.

i agree with you, but this is the capitalism that was chosen by most of us.
what about pharmacy??? they could deliver all those poor africans, but they wont due to a market collapse - sorry, porn is nothing compared to this busines..

A witch!

We should be honest with ourselves. Porn has both negative and positive effects for society. For example, notjoe's points.

sure it has. but driving your car to walmart has probably worse effects.

the probably worst thing upon mainstream porn is getting 18-22 year old girls/boys involved that get spoiled by the money and will never be able to work on a normal job as they will feel underpaid and bored. but imo everyone is responsible for ones own actions. that's how it works at least in most western countries. same with drug abuse, but this is a different topic...

to be honest, imo, if relationships break due to watching porn, then something was wrong anyway.

The walmart part is worse than the car.

viva la porno!

No TGP2 Owners are Bankrupt

Colin, no I am not a witch. I am a Christian who just happens to believe in educating myself in truth and not rumour and lies. I'm sure there are some negative affects associated with porn, however, generally speaking...I don't think if it's ok for the general to be looking at porn sites he should be destroyed by seeing his daughter there...what's good for the goose...?
Sure, he won't like it. No father would. I don't tell my mother I am an adult webmaster and she doesn't ask. It's not about morality either, it's about comfort. Most everyone has sex eventually (lol) and there's certainly nothing wrong with it. To show it to others can't be that fundamentaly wrong either. Masturbation helps relieve a lot of stress they (the surfer) might otherwise take out on a co-worker or family member. There are a million points we could make for and against porn, however, I really don't think this issue will ever be resolved by a few of us talking on a chat board.

*Peace*

:sadcrying :sadcrying :sadcrying

Now get back to work you whiners. My reports say we need more porn on the internet.

Brother Can you spare a dime ??

I guess, we are all about the same opinion: porn is not really doing good things, but it also is less bad than other things that obviously are generally accepted by our society. if someone feels guilty he/she sould leave this biz, then.

"if someone feels guilty he/she sould leave this biz, then."

Well, you could just decide to live with your guilt. Think about all the nasty nauseous feelings you get over all the wrong things you've done already. What's wrong with a few more?

PS Did you get away with that petty theft as a kid or get caught?

"I am a Christian who just happens to believe in educating myself in truth and not rumour and lies."

So you're a Wiccan Christian? Be honest now. I'll tell you I'm an atheist if it helps to break the ice.

hehe... depends, if you hit a child???

btw. in germany and elswhere there are heavy discussions of video games. now, how get more kiz killed, by mental ill video kiz (it's not even sure if this kind of violence is caused by the games) using their dads guns or by cars???

hm.... it's about comfort as well (as mentioned in a post above). Let's face it: there is nothing that is totally good and nothing that is totally wrong. it is hard to tell.

Wiccan Christian is somewhat contradicting, eh?

Someone's thoughts on Wiccan Christians.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcr5.htm

apparently i have actually been called a nice person by non-industry ppl.

I'm a photographer, not a pornographer. Is it morally wrong for me to take pictures of women that have approached ME for work? They get paid for their services and I most certainly do NOT make them do anything they don't want to do. How could that be considered immoral? By who's standards are we being judged? Societies? HAH! We're having our morals questioned by a society that thrives on immorality! Pitting people against each other for the entertainment of the drooling masses in game shows and "Reality based" crap. I could go on but I'm sure you get my point... Morality? Please...

:glugglug I hear ya ! :)

This only fuels a larger, more grand project of mine.

The money is great, but my dreams go beyond some slut on screen spreading.

:thumbsup

I have a counter question

Would you be willing to trade -$10k off of your income for a saved life in some far-away place?

Answer both questions carefully and if you say no to both, feel free to explore your hypocricy ;)

i used to moralize with myself over this. we have a lot of adult chat rooms. everyone wants to be better at what they do and make more money. for me, that meant watching users, talking to them, understanding them, what they wanted and what they were looking for and teaching the girls how to push their buttons.

i discovered in the end, that we had a larger majority of users that were simply lonely people. i taught the girls how to take advantage of that and they are pretty good at it. but it always bothered me and i never felt good about that. i felt that i was just exploiting people i knew were weak or had personal problems.

i thought about this everyday for the last 3 years.

about 6 months ago, i was sitting in TGI Fridays. i began to look around me and to look at the people. i looked at all the obese people and sarcastically said under my breath that America is one of the few places where you can actually watch people get fatter. across from me was a family. They were ALL totally obese. they ordered half the menu and more. The waitress was also suggesting the other half of the menu.

i watched this in amazement and wondered how people could do this to themselves. two huge parents and two 300 pound teenage children and they were sitting there like pigs at the trough, fighting over nachos and fried cheesesticks (only in America would someone decide to take a piece of cheese which is mostly fat... then deepfry it)

the waitress came back and offered them desert and the who family was drooling over the desert menu while bragging about how much they ice cream and fudge they could eat after their huge lunch.

at that point, i began to ask myself... who is responsible? the waitress is trying her hardest to sell these people everything she can. these people are slobs and eating everything they can. these people are no different than the people who are in the chat rooms. they have issues and problems that are being exploited by the restaurant. if that were not true then they would refuse service to the family which would have been a morally responsible thing to do. then i thought... where does that logic end? are cigarrettes healthy? alcohol? driving a car vs walking or riding a bike? the list can go on forever.

i realized that the responsibility must always lie in the hands of the individual for the decisions that they make. i did not cause someone to look at porn. i did not cause someone to look at naked girls on video or seek the attention of a cute young girl. they made that choice for a variety of reasons. i did not cause it to have a positive or negative impact on their lives. everything is the result of the choices THEY made, not me.

am i morally bankrupt? i guess that depends on how you define it. my "morals" tell me that my responsibility and my obligation to society is to work within the law and nothing more. everyone else is responsible for thier own decisions and whether or not anything i do has an impact on their lives, be it positive or negative.

are pornographers morally bankrupt? by whose idea of morality? a Jehovas Witness? and L.A. Porn producer or a Pakistani Muslim?

morality to me, has nothing to do with anything i do. someone, somewhere is ALWAYS against you and what you believe in. Your responsibilities in life are to your God (if applicable), family and the law. There are no "good pornographers and bad pornographers" in the publics eye. To the public, we are all "just pornographers"... that means to them, we are no different than the people that sent the beastiality spam to their inbox this morning, or the pedophile ring that just got busted in germany, or whatever. you can tell yourself whatever you need to, to make yourself feel better about what you do, but that will never change public opinion about you.

we are just pornographers.

the question by the way is not really connected to pornography. i am quite sure that in many countries people would trade a life per year for 10K per year.

they dont have to be pornographers to do so. to establish that pornographers are morally bankrupt by meeting the above criteria, you would have to also establish that as a whole, MORE ponographers than any other demographic would make that choice.

My name is SykkBoy and I am a morally bankrupt pornographer

I make money on things that are "taboo"..we all do...the mainstreaming of porn is probably going to hurt us money-wise moreso than TGP's and P2P software....with porn becoming "mainstream" we lose a marketing edge.

the reason pay for porn (er, somewhat) is because it's not as readily available elsewhere...

that which we keep "dirty" will keep us profitable...

"Are pornographers morally bankrupt?"

Yes if you get your dick sucked regularly by assorted models and then harrass your regular employees to do the same. Yes if you cheat on your wife at conventions and fuck dirty whores. Yes if you are a lying scumbag and a bad person.

If you have a good sense of morals and don't go out of your way to hurt others there is nothing wrong with being a pornographer.

But then again, same things occur in every industry pretty much. Aside from the model part.

I worked for a large porn company, so I have seen some really sleazy shit. I have seen so many pornographers/men who have pretty wives and several lovely children, well cared for nonetheless, who just go off to conventions and fuck some of the nastiest sluts. In addition to whoring out talent and harrassing regular employees about doing porn and the like.

I like to think the entire industry is not like this.

Sykkboy,

You kill me.

(errrr .. that was commentary. Not a request).

Great Post! You took the words straight from my mouth.

hmm.... can ANYONE tell me of another webmaster that used his first and last name to post on messageboards that was not a hoax?

much less a webmaster that used his first and last name and was really concerned that people really really believed that was his actual name.

sincerely,
Lawrence Conner Sr III

Colin Delia

The score is 32-5 so far. Wonder how the results would change if it were $100k per death? Does everyone have a price?

Or ... Consider it's unlimited:

1 death = $10,000/year
10 deaths = $100,000/year
100 deaths = $1 Million/year
1,000 deaths = $10 Million/year

are we limited by the number of people currently on earth?

I forgot where but I have seen Labret weighing the value of heads.

hahahaha

i liked the restaurant analogy.

i used to have the same feelings of guilt when i worked in bars. not about serving too much to someone (there are laws against that) but about serving the same lonely souls night after night. i pitied them while at the same time, i took their money and helped the fry their collective livers. the reality of course was that i didn't MAKE these people do anything they didn't want to do. even the alcoholics were sober before they ordered that first drink.

we are in business. more explicitly, we are in the sales business. whatever our commodity, there will be some of us less scrupulous than others.

This is what I was talking about. The minute you open your mouth your accused of something. I have studied many different religions and have books on a lot of those subjects. I really don't think Christianity and Wicca really are far apart on precept, but I certainly don't see them as compatible together as a single religion. Most would say porn and Christianity don't go together very well either. Yeah it's a stretch. I simply think differently about religion than the majority.

I think most people have thier price. I do. That doesn't mean I won't at least feel really bad about it and pay the consequences later.

Interesting thread...

i was sitting here thinking of all the things i wanted to do in life and writing them down. now that i have had time to browse my list, i dont see "pay some guy $1000.00" anywhere. :(

remember this...
we're all whores, we just have different prices...

it's like the "would you suck dick and swallow thraed" everyone would, some would just have different pricing points....you set down a suitcase full of cash, and the only guy who would refuse to suck your dick would be a guy with a bigger suitcase full of cash...and even they would think about it...

people answer the question differently with a theoretical 1 million dollars, but if they could see 1 million dollars cash sitting in a suitcase, it would be a much different response...if you could gurantee no punishment whatsoever, the numbers would be even higher....it would also be higher if the other person was a stanger rather than a friend or someone they knew...

quiet

Very interesting comment.
Also, would it make a differnence where the people where from?
I'm assuming no consequences either. Hmm....

That makes it almost beyond the intended question of morality.
You could BECOME GOD.
I mean you quite literally have the fate of the world in your hands.

You could wipe out a whole nations in Africa and feed another nations with half the proceeds and still have money to buy Microsoft in cash.

Would I have somebody killed so I can make more money? Come on man!! Anybody who said yes is either lying ,should probably be under surveilance or is out on a weekend pass or parole.

That was a great post Pleasure Pays
I just read through it.
Fried cheese sticks LOL.

That highlights how much American has evolved into a culture of obessive consumerism. We work more than any other country so we can consume more.

what if that person were Osama Bin Laden or another of the al queida network?