WARNING: SERIOUS DISCUSSION . . . . Obama
 

Okay, I am trying to be open minded about the guy . . . but . . .

He is on the Daily Show, the topic is his inexperience, or lack thereof.

Part of his reply, along the lines of, "no one has longer resumes' than Rumsfeld and Cheney, and that did not work out too well."

Fine. The only problem is, they were not President. They were, for all intents and purposes, advisers.

Is he saying that if he wins he will surround himself with advisers with short resumes' and little experience (like him and Bush)? Or will he also surround himself with old school?

I would have to say old school. Obama is pretty intellegent. I don't think that (if he does win) he would make the mistake of not having a strong backing. He will probably run things like Bill did.... With Hillary's hand up his ass.

I wonder what his standpoint on the inside job of 911 is?

One of the greatest presidents this country has ever had according to many was probably the least qualified, with no experience as a senator, governor, senator, member of cabinet, military general or vice president..

Abraham Lincoln

Different times, different eras, I realize that but same can be said about some presidents with impressive resumes who have been regarded a poor presidents..

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We all know Cheney is really the President

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thats really a serious duscusion...

Can someone please ban this tool? :mad:

When I look at him it reminds me how powerful the media truly is in this country.

ummm, he was Illinois General Assembly, U.S. House of Representatives. Maybe not governor, senator, member of cabinet, military general or vice president, but experienced.

Ok, Hillary is our age. Well, a year older than me. Went to the same high school... I don't think Obama could pull out a win. Suspect Hillary could. Not saying I would find that great for the US. Didn't think much of her a whole bunch of years ago and the feeling holds.

It's still early. Not sure who will win the GOP?? Good news is Bush will be gone. Yo Blair etc.

BTW, I believe there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq removed with help by the French, Syria, Russia or ???? Makes no difference now, we're there now. Plus how long could we go without Iraq not being a sovereign nation. Were the no fly zones gonna go on for ever??? Something had to give.

The Iraq situation will be a big part of the national debate on who will be the next president. For a lot of us it will financial issues. Guess how that vote goes :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

For the webmaster, a hard decision if you think about it awhile. Government regulations vs tax code..... Any long talk with a tax adviser, estate planer or attorney can give you some serious things to think about.

What he's saying is that experience isn't nearly as important as judgement.

He also said tonight that usually we look for experience because we hope that with experience one develops better judgement. Unfortunately that hasn't been the case.

Also, FWIW, unless you count being first lady as part of her resume, Hillary's has less experience than Obama working in government. :2 cents:

I disagree with this 1000%. Obama will be a much stronger candidate in the general election than Hillary.

Karl Rove said it on Sunday and it's true, Hillary has the highest negatives of any candidate in the history of the gallup poll.

No she can't and the dems are just stupid enough to nominate her. AT least 40% of peole has already said under NO circumstances will they vote for Hillary if she was the democratic nominee. That means she has to get 85% of the rest of the voting public to vote for her. IMPOSSIBLE.

An Edwards/Richardson ticket could beat any of the GOP.

Obama is black and brings nothing to the table. Illinois votes Dem, over 90% of blacks vote for the Dem nominee. What's to be gained by him being the Dem nominee? Which southern state will vote for black dude? You're going to need at least one to win.

Not sure how serious I can be at this early stage in the primaries, however I would have to say that, "Aw, shucks, I'm a beltway outsider", played pretty well for Reagan and Dubya.

And I do agree that much of the blame for the quaqmires in Afghanistan and Iraq, are attributable to Cheney, Rumsfeld, as well as other career neo-cons such as Richard Pearle and Elliot Abrams.

Nonetheless, I am still unsure that Obama can even win his party nomination let alone the White House. Not because of his qualifications, but because I still don't know that he has done enough to differentiate himself from the other contenders, particularly front runner Hillary Clinton.

ADG

She has a bigger problem than Obama does. She may not be black, but she is a chick. . . . Well, that is the rumor anyway.

The black man had the right to vote before the white woman did.

Hillary is from Illionois too numbnuts.

The democratic candidate does get 90% of the black vote, but how many blacks vote? Very few, they don't have anyone to vote for, they haven't since Kennedy.

Kids ages 18-25 vote overwhelmingly democrat, but how many of them vote?
Very few, they haven't had a candidate to be excited about since Kennedy.

If the republicans nominate someone like Giuliani, most of the evangelicals will stay home. At the same time if Obama is the nominee black turnout in the south will be enormous, there will be states in play that would never otherwise be.

There are a dozen other reasons I think he will win not only the nomination but the presidency, but I don't want to turn this post into a book. :2 cents:

Everything you have to say is completely moot.

Up until recent history most of our presidents had little or no political experience (unless being on a corporate board is political experience).

You don't need any. You need BUSINESS EXPERIENCE or just plain fucking common sense and he was right, the two examples had one or the other but not both.

If that was the case Ross Perot would have won.

Besides, I wasn't making a point, I was asking a question based on a comment.

The way I see it we are fucked either way!
If he gets in its a sure assasination for him!
If she gets in its a sure assasination for us!

God help us if another republican gets in then it a sure disaster!

Technically.

Unfortunately black people for the most part weren't able to exercise their right to vote until 1965.

Women on the other hand got the right to vote in 1920.
You should know that, you were there.

Maybe in your state. It wasn't that way in normal states.

Actually what I think his critics are referring to is foreign policy experience.

Since 4 out of the last 5 presidents were governors first, they had absolutely zero foreign policy experience when they took office also.

Their argument doesn't make any sense, they're just grasping at straws. The fact that the entire field is attacking him shows that they're afraid of him.

Oh get over yourself man.

The point I was making is that women have been voting regularly and in far greater numbers than blacks for a very long time.

Just because you live in Kalifonia doesn't make you enlightened, and just because I live in Louisiana doesn't mean I wrote the Jim Crow laws.

I did not say you wrote them. I don't know how old you are so I don't know if you were even alive in 65.

But to deny that this was a "Southern thing" is to be naive. I don't think you are.

Very decisive...and nonsensical. :1orglaugh

http://www.scotthortonshow.com/stick...rPresident.jpg

ADG

It's just a stupid talking point to answer another stupid talking point.

yeah but in some States they don't have the right to vote today, so that makes up for it.

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The racist idiots here in the south are sexist as well. So tell me which southern state you think will vote for a woman??

Being first lady not a big deal? Hillary didn't just bake cookies and read kids stories so you might not want to mentally erase it from her resume. :winkwink:

The men out there too scared to vote for a vagina make me laugh. Without women, men would have had a real shitty time historically fighting all those wars and what not.

I'm rooting for her just because if she wins, it will be priceless to hear all the men bitching for 4 years.:1orglaugh

is this guy comparable to JFK in age and experience? and the other thing is all his advisers will be political choices, not intelligent choices. look at that rice chick bush got. you can't tell me that wasn't a 'lets get a black woman' type of deal.

with obama it's even be worse because the OTW's are gonna be looking for a free ride and the whites are gonna be watching the guy like a hawk and isn't a muslum also?

the Governor of Louisiana if a woman. If she can do it, so can others.

but thankfully she's fucking not running again, she is terrible.

Neither hillarity or obummer will win

hillary lost a lot of respect when bill treated her like a dumb slut by going behind her back for pussy + no one really likes a pushy old broad.

then there's the money problem. everybody is hurting for money and the dems wanna start passing out our money to the crack heads and immigrants which is how it really is perceived by the working class.

it's a close thing. the guys that fucked us over or the crowed that wants to take out money. guess it'll be determined by the spin control boys as usual with no regard to future consequences, truth or long term planning.

us men need fags just as much as women, who would dress the girls up for us and make fancy food?

is there a fag running? I'd vote for him! :1orglaugh

probably lots of fags they keep it under cover though :)

Have you ever looked at her resume?

That's it for me. I'd like to keep my money, thank you. I worked hard for it.

Exactly.

Obama is proof that US politics is often style over substance. He is a nice enough guy, but someone seriously lacking in skills and experience to get the job done. He hasn't even done middle management yet (run a congressional committee) and yet he thinks he can run the country.

The only reason? The idiots running the US now are fucking it up so bad that a constipated monkey throwing darts at a dartboard could make better decisions. Compared to Bush, the tree in my front lawn looks qualified.

Obama is a good guy, and potentially great VP material. But he isn't up for the big job yet. Get in as the VP, get 8 years experience, and then run by yourself.

Any idea who she defeated to become Governor??

Piyush Jindal - son of Indian immigrants, Amar and Raj Jindal. He was a Hindu before being converted to Catholicism as a teenager. He is "brown". How hard do you think it was to beat him? Of course, he has since been voted into congress and is running for Governor again. Not sure what will happen, but don't be so shocked that the "brown Indian Hindu" was beat by a woman in 2003.

Which is exactly why we are not likely to be voting in another female for a long time.

nope, and how was it she got that resume?

nope, and how was it she got that resume? maybe it's about promoting to your level of incompetents. you've heard about that right. the best way to get rid of somebody is kick them up the ladder.

either way the truth is she's a black woman and she's gonna get jobs on that merit in America of the 20 years.

look how well bush did with his 'LATIN' attorney general. or do think that was all about the LATIN's guy experiences too?

from what I've heard though, seems they like him down here now. His tv commercials creep me out though. He's probably going to replace her, no?

People are still supporting Bill Jefferson with yard signs not far from where I live though, so anything is possible in these parts. :1orglaugh

I am from Los Angeles, so living in Louisiana for me is like being in some awesome, twisted reality show.

I think he is growing on people. At this point I think David Duke would beat her. (LOL...mentioning David Duke reminds me of seeing his black supporters at a rally once)

Crazy shit ain't it?? We are famous for our crooked as fuck politicians.

Welcome to Redneckland.:thumbsup

You're letting dislike cloud your judgement :2 cents:

Look up her damn resume, and it should be entirely obvious that she didn't get that resume by being incompetent.