Feds' Porn Ultimatum
 

thanx for the link

seriously how the fuck does this really combat CP. Like these people making that fucking crap know they are breaking the fucking law in the first place. this just places more paper work on honest webmasters. Complete BS. ugh.

It's just bust our balls, they know we dont shoot kids. Like Paul Cambria said if they cant get people on obscenity so they are going to use the regs.

now this is just ridiculous and impossible and will never happen every four years you hear these type of things are gonna happen to the adult industry and they never do why its and election year and this type of shit is all just part of the spin used to strum up support and votes from the bible thumping freaks

I guess they are just expanding 2257 to try and fuck everyone over :disgust

Wtf.... ...

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Cambria was just on the phone with MSNBC a moment ago. Interesting that it just popped up on national news over the weekend. Wonder if someone pushed to get the story out, or if it's a slow news day or what.

He pointed out that the law has essentially been in place for 15 yrs now, and in the last 15 yrs only 3 actresses were found to have been under 18 and all with very convincing fake ID's that would have passed anywhere.

He spoke about the burdensomeness of the recordkeeping and such. Nothing new really that I heard.

I think they should also tatoo a number on their arm ... or implant a tracker .... :2 cents:
That would also help to keep children safe .... :upsidedow

Never happen? It has already happened.

really? "The Department of Justice wants to come up with an official list of every porn star in America - and slap stiff penalties on producers who don't cooperate.

The new rules, proposed under the Adam Walsh Child Safety and Protection Act, would require blue-movie makers to keep photos"

That's what I thought of the casino industry, Until the god damn government successfully fucked us. Lost 20k+ in earnings over night once they passed the new laws.

Sticky tell us how great the republicans are again. lol

This is not a right/left issue. I can't believe people in this industry do not educate themselves further when it comes to who is on what side. Dems are NOT our friends either.

As for this particular issue, the Dems also sponsored this bill. JUST ONE of the Dems to co-sponsor this bill was none other than John Kerry himself.

See below

I've been saying this since I started on this board, that the government would come after porn like they did organized crime.

Can't get them on real crimes, get them on clerical ones...like tax records etc. People called me a kook back then...lol some still do.

For those who say this is not a right or left issue you need a serious reality check.

Of course, no self respecting politician on either side is going to say..."I stand up for porn!."

However, we would definitely have an easier go at things with Democrats in power, they wouldn't be so vigilant about shutting you down.

maybe, while we are making lists we should write up a couple more.

let's make a big list of all the jews.

might as well make a list of the homosexuals too.

then maybe we can round them all up and, well. you know the rest.

Tip Tip Tipper Gore......

I think they should mark bar codes on each and every pornstar around. lol

Maybe thats the answer right there.

KB for Congress.

Lens man for Senator.

I really dont think that either side really has reason to see us stay in business they just want more votes for their campaign. If destroying the adult industry would help them out a Dem would try just as hard as a Republican.
By the way, Republicans want us gone and Dems would just legaly regulate our industry to bankruptcy.

Now that made me laugh!!! only 500,000 websites?

Not that I endorse this at all, I'm just legitimately curious.. all this information must be gathered anyways to comply with 2257... so how does this create much extra work, other than they want us to just send them the info, instead of them coming to our offices to inspect records?

Mark Klass, the voice of reason!

You may know him from the Polly Klass case. Well he's on MSNBC phone now, In answer to the question "What do you think of this new law" he replied, "I dont think the dots have been connected between adult porn and crimes against children quite frankly."

THANK YOU Mark, for having a good common sense brain! You're exactly right, there is NO CONNECTION between the legitimate Adult industry and these sick criminals that the DOJ needs to bust everyday through good old fashioned investigating! Having me keep records if I publish content is NOT putting ANYONE in jail. Thanks again for saying what others are frankly afraid to.

Kind of a stupid question that's been bugging me since the beginning of all of this. What is to stop those who shoot illegal underage girls from just making fake IDs or changing birth dates in Photoshop? Seems pretty easy to me. It not like they have the real ID on hand, just a scan or photo of it.

Yes but the Dem's aren't going out of their way to push this BS.. This BS right here comes straight out of the Republican White House.

Nothing, and I said the same damn thing right from the start. It's nothing but BS to harass legit business in the adult industry. Anyone whom is breaking the law are going to hide from the law. They won't give their correct address and they could easily photo shop ID's.

" The new rules, proposed under the Adam Walsh Child Safety and Protection Act, would require blue-movie makers to keep photos, stage names, professional names, maiden names, aliases, nicknames and ages on file for the inspection of the department's Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section.

"The identity of every performer is critical to determining and ensuring that no performer is a minor," according to the new proposal."


havent these fucking morons heard of 2257?


this is already being done.


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ZERO prosecutions under Clinton. FACT.

You can not seriously tell me that ther will as much harrasment of the pron industry if Clinmton or Edwards or almost any Dem is President than if a republican is elected.

The NY Post may or may not realize it, but this article is about 2257.

There is no "new law" as the Post suggests - they merely screwed up the details of the story, something that sadly is quite common in media accounts pertaining to legal issues.

What the Post did here was take a theory forwarded by many adult industry attorneys - namely that the law really is not designed to abate the production of CP, but is part of an effort to create a database containing extensive info on all adult performers/companies - and they have run with that theory to the point that they are characterizing it as the explicit intent of Congress in crafting the relevant portions of the Adam Walsh Act.

There is nothing new in the NY Post story, and much of what the story states is flatly wrong.

The core of 2257 has existed for well over 10 years now, and the idea of a legal obligation to maintain ID records is not "new," and clearly was not first proposed under the Adam Walsh Act.

The "official list" they reference is the 2257 database maintained by the FBI.

Obviously, it is the FBI and not the CEOS division of the DOJ that inspects records (CEOS likely would be responsible for prosecuting offenders, but they do not conduct any record inspections).

In other words - you're right... to comply with this "new law" would be a function of complying with 2257, because the "new law" they reference IS 2257.

- Q.

I'm sure it shouldnt be tough but the Feds will find a way to make it tough and expensive. Remember this is never for our benifit or for children.

THANK YOU!

It appalls me that the anti right seems to think the Demorats are our friends....If everyone who said they were sick of our two partys that seem to have little if any difference between them would get offa their lazy asses and vote Libertarian we'd see real change.

I'm just glad I don't live in the US.

The 2257 law has constitutional problems with the 1st, 4th, and 5th amendments.

Let's hope we can win or at least keep it tied up for years based on those arguments. :2cents:

Janet Reno's own words we have more important things to do then look at adult pornography.They dont want to hear that or how the biggest porn prosecutions have been under Nixon ,then Reagan.The first 2257 inspections or changing 2257 to make it so fucked up has all been under Republican admins.I think they would rather play blind then realize how truly stupid they are for supporting these people. They would rather live in their fantasy world

Sure I'd rather have a true libertarian in office and in congress. They NEVER get elected. Ron Paul has a better if still slim chance at being President running as the Libertarian party candidate than trying to go for a GOP nomination he'll never get.


As I said Linertarians are ot in power. So of those that are I have to support the ones that will do the least damage. As I said Clinton never went after ANYONE in 8 years. If teh GOP wins the Whitehouse that person could very well keep Gonzales on as AG or find another one like him. I though no one could be as bad as Ashscoft and boy was I wrong. At least with a Dem in the Whitehouse the AG won't waste time on porn.

The real problem is enforcement. In reality 99.999% of us who don't produce content will NEVER be inspected. They don't have enough personal to inspect every porn website let alone do manual on site inspections of those website owners.

It would be wise to set up a non profit corporation to self monitor the industry, where we would submit and log names/age/id etc of each performer. if we have our stuff together as an industry, they cant prosecute..
similar to AIM (the adult industry medical / testing central of all performers in LA)

thats fuckign ridiculous, and piggy-backing it on some 'child exploitation' bill/act is a farce - it has nothing to do with protecting children

when was the last time a minor was in a porn movie or dvd anyway? back in the early 80s ???!?!

Republican congress under Clinton FACT! Dems were only in for 2 years.

You should really proof read your posts. Anyway, nobody said anything about Clinton, and I don't really know what Edwards would do. I DO KNOW that JOHN KERRY was a CO-SPONSOR of THIS BILL. So to say that this particular problem is because of George Bush is more than a little off. Period...end of story.

1) I don't agree with THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE being a right/left issue so I am stupid?? Thanks for the maturity in your argument. You have come across no better than the average immature, uneducated GFY fool in this comment. Therefore your opinion just lost any weight it may have had with me.
2) See above

Hmmmm I think I said this same thing (a much shorter versions hehe) in a nother thread and was told I was wrong.. :winkwink:

Congress doesn't pick the Attorney General, the President does FACT!

"The FBI is joining [BOLD]the Bush administration's War on Porn[/BOLD]. And it's looking for a few good agents... ...describing the initiative as "one of the top priorities" of Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales..."

Of course it lost any weight because im right to vote for a republican and being in porn is stupid, I reread my post I didnt call you stupid now if the shoe fits not my fault. Its like being a jew and voting for the nazi's.The dems arent our friends but we are not a top priority.

They dont want to look at that. Shhh your making sense.

Interesting link Tony.

When is the DOJ Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section going to address the 50%+ of the world's net CP which is currently hosted on servers within it's jurisdiction???

Diversions into the world of "porn stars" where it is clearly obvious they are of legal age, has nothing to do with "child exploitation" - it never did have.

Perhaps the DOJ might concentrate on criminal activity and stop avoiding work by contemplating irrelevant laws (and forget election bullshit) and deal with the backlog of known CP purveyors, websites and the many 1000's of IP's related to CP which have still not been tracked or acted upon? How long does it take to get some action on this??? One year? Five years?? More??

Silvia Saint, Jenna, Raven Riley, Nicole Graves, Briana Banks et al were children at one time, but have developed since then - perhaps the DOJ never noticed?? :)

Link to story
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...091901570.html
since I fubar'd the edit above.

Unfortunately you can't blame the doj,this shit comes from on top and rolls down. Im sure they would rather be going after real crimes against children.