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Hardcore J 08-16-2007 03:20 PM

Processing Myths Destroyed - great article everyone should read
 
This is the best article I have read in a long time about processing.

Great job Rand! I learned a lot today from this and you truly know your stuff.

Every paysite owner should read this and learn from it.

http://xbiz.com/articles/83100

Dollarmansteve 08-16-2007 03:25 PM

no cross sells are evil.. they're the devil.. only a criminal would use a pre-checked xsell!!

born 08-16-2007 03:38 PM

This is an excellent point, I did not know this until I read the article.

Local Currencies:
"... A real misconception is that you need to use offshore or region-centric billing services to accept the currency types not usually offered by major billing companies. In fact, utilizing such services might put your site in danger of violating cross-border acquiring rules without your knowledge. The risk of losing your ability to accept the major card types is hardly worth the limited rewards you might gain from accepting local billing currencies. You should check with a legal consultant to make sure you are not exposing yourself to risk."

Of course, not being able to process Visa/Mc would end your days of being an adult webmaster/Affilate Program!

b-

CaptainHowdy 08-16-2007 04:56 PM

Bumpo !

AM900 08-16-2007 04:57 PM

its not that bad

uvort 08-16-2007 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 12941240)
no cross sells are evil.. they're the devil.. only a criminal would use a pre-checked xsell!!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Funniest thing I've read all day.

hollymoss 08-16-2007 07:02 PM

Good Read Rand!
 
:thumbsup Imformative Stuff!

SmokeyTheBear 08-16-2007 07:14 PM

good article but no offense some of it seems rather "sugar coated"


" It is important to remember that billing companies and website owners' interests are perfectly aligned"

hmm i guess ibill was the exception to the rule :winkwink:

Pornwolf 08-16-2007 07:27 PM

That was a great read Rand.


Now, can I have 7% rates?

Marshal 08-16-2007 07:41 PM

very nice read! what about non usa or non eu companies and online processing? :)

wiggitywack 08-16-2007 07:44 PM

great read Rand.

thanks for an objective yet informative piece.

12clicks 08-16-2007 08:18 PM

not bad Rand. the fraud and Xsell stuff was company line but the rest was interesting. :winkwink:

ExtremeEric 08-17-2007 07:22 AM

interesting article :)

Rand 08-17-2007 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardcore J (Post 12941220)
This is the best article I have read in a long time about processing.

Great job Rand! I learned a lot today from this and you truly know your stuff.

Every paysite owner should read this and learn from it.

http://xbiz.com/articles/83100


Thanks Hardcore J, and others. I was happy to get this out and I want to thank XBiz for putting it on the cover of their August issue.

This was my response to the questions I hear on a regular basis. I hope it helps.





Tom_PM 08-17-2007 07:56 AM

Good stuff :)

tranza 08-17-2007 08:06 AM

I'm reading it right now....

MakingItPay 08-17-2007 08:18 AM

Very good article! :thumbsup

MarkMan 08-17-2007 08:30 AM

nice read

Shap 08-17-2007 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by born (Post 12941317)
This is an excellent point, I did not know this until I read the article.

Local Currencies:
"... A real misconception is that you need to use offshore or region-centric billing services to accept the currency types not usually offered by major billing companies. In fact, utilizing such services might put your site in danger of violating cross-border acquiring rules without your knowledge. The risk of losing your ability to accept the major card types is hardly worth the limited rewards you might gain from accepting local billing currencies. You should check with a legal consultant to make sure you are not exposing yourself to risk."

Of course, not being able to process Visa/Mc would end your days of being an adult webmaster/Affilate Program!

b-

I don't think many people understand how important this is.

DonMike 08-17-2007 10:21 AM

It's set aside for a lunchtime read. I know anything Rand has to say is worth listening to. :)

AGP Albert 08-17-2007 10:26 AM

Rand is one of the most respected and talented people in this industry. His loyalty with paycom/epoch is notable as the company has evolved through challenging times and now represent the benchmark for third party processing.

The information given in this article is a fair and accurate representation of processing to date. I am pleased that this article is created because this entire industry is at the mercy of processing. I have even taken the time to educate my entire sales team on this article specifically.

Keep up the good work Rand.

jmk 08-17-2007 10:37 AM

All one should say is THANKS Rand!!!!

JFK 08-17-2007 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rand (Post 12945089)

Thanks Hardcore J, and others. I was happy to get this out and I want to thank XBiz for putting it on the cover of their August issue.

This was my response to the questions I hear on a regular basis. I hope it helps.





Yup, it helped Rand, Thanks :thumbsup

Pornwolf 08-17-2007 11:56 AM

So, you are saying I can't have 7% rates?

Awww, c'mon Rand! I won't tell anyone!



;)

Hardcore J 08-17-2007 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rand (Post 12945089)

Thanks Hardcore J, and others. I was happy to get this out and I want to thank XBiz for putting it on the cover of their August issue.

This was my response to the questions I hear on a regular basis. I hope it helps.

Rand

I had no idea about some of these cross border rules that you pointed out.
You clearly explained these rules / regulations in laymen's terms and potentially prevented me from putting my business in jeopardy without me even knowing it.

Based on your article, it's clear that US based online vendors CANNOT use a non USA based IPSP to clear credit card transactions.
If a webmaster decides to go ahead and do this anyway, they are clearly not in compliance with cross-border acquiring rules.

Any paysite owner would be an absolute fool to give up or put at risk 85% - 90% of their business by trying test a billing company that is not based in the same processing region in which they are registered.
Of course, testing a new "wiz bang" a credit card company or two in a effort to squeeze more money out of your users may sound logical at first.
But going ahead and moving fwd without first doing your due diligence will ultimately end up biting you in the ass and even threaten your core credit card processing capability.

It's also great to see that Epoch itself is capable of processing the major eight card types, including many of those wacky Euro debit cards.

So thanks again for pointing this out to us, this article may of saved a few webmasters from potential disaster!

frank7799 08-17-2007 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rand (Post 12945089)

Thanks Hardcore J, and others. I was happy to get this out and I want to thank XBiz for putting it on the cover of their August issue.

This was my response to the questions I hear on a regular basis. I hope it helps.

Yes, it did. Thank you so far. I set up my sites with CCBill some time ago and Iīm testing them at the moment. I didnīt have one single chargeback or refund so far. That is - in my opinion - the advantage of using CCBill. Same will be with Epoch, Iīm sure.

I didnīt have problems getting my sites active and I hope that I can manage to grow them soon.

The only disadvantage is that cascading isnīt possible without using a software like NATS or MPA3. Since Epoch offers a light version of MPA3, maybe it is advisable to check it out.

yo!! 08-17-2007 12:30 PM

yo!

... Myth Busters

Flynn 08-17-2007 01:01 PM

This is a great read. Thanks for making this post Hardcore J.

BOSS1 08-17-2007 01:06 PM

thanks for an informative read

NETbilling 08-17-2007 01:53 PM

Good article Rand and thanks for mentioning NEtbilling n there as well.

Mitch

Rand 08-17-2007 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NetBilling (Post 12947076)
Good article Rand and thanks for mentioning NEtbilling n there as well.

Mitch

How could I not mention the two XBiz Award Winners for processing? :thumbsup

BluMedia 08-18-2007 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rand (Post 12948018)
How could I not mention the two XBiz Award Winners for processing? :thumbsup

Thats awesome you guys are my two favorite processors. Great article Rand. :thumbsup

Mark

Hardcore J 08-18-2007 07:59 PM

**bumpity bump**

CurrentlySober 08-18-2007 09:21 PM

myth buster!

Why 08-19-2007 01:11 PM

very good article rand, its nice to know more the single most import thing to an adult website!

Rand 08-20-2007 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf (Post 12946370)
So, you are saying I can't have 7% rates?

Awww, c'mon Rand! I won't tell anyone!

;)

Tell you what Pornwolf, if you can hit 2k sales per day we'll talk. ;-)

NETbilling 08-20-2007 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rand (Post 12948018)
How could I not mention the two XBiz Award Winners for processing? :thumbsup

We certainly do work hard to earn the awards. Hoping for a repeat...

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Mitch

Sexy Rex 08-21-2007 08:16 AM

Nice article Rand, thanks for sharing :)
Got a quick question about cross borders rules. Let's say I process www.mysite.com with an US IPSP from an US company and now I also want to process for the same stuff with an EU IPSP from and EU company.

Do I need to register a completly different url for that or are subdomains ok?
Is www.mysite.eu acceptable? (I guess yes)
Is eu.mysite.com acceptable?

alby_persignup 08-21-2007 08:40 AM

thanks! interesting!


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