Here are the facts as posted in another thread.
 

Please bookmark this reply and post it where needed since I will only say this one time. These are the facts, pure and simple. I will leave out the minor details such as canceled shoots and Rory's past shady business practices that he personally informed me of and focus one the primary details. Ask all the questions that you want when you are done reading this but keep in mind that I will not be replying because everything should be pretty well covered in here.

The $5000 had to be broken up into 2 payments because of Rory's financial situation. I agreed to take $2500 on about the 15th of July and another $2500 on the 15th of August. At this point I would have received payment in full and i would hand over 10 completed sets on September 15th.

On about July 21st Rory showed up with a check for $2000, not the $2500 we had agreed upon. Rory said he would pay me $3000 on August 15th instead of $2500.

On August 18th I left a message for Rory to call me. He called 2 or 3 days later and told me that he could not afford the additional $3000 and that he did not intend to pay it until September 15th when he picked up the content. At this point I told Rory to come get his shit and his money. He asked if I would consider shooting 4 sets instead of 10 so we could just call it even. I told him I would think about it and call him back.

The next day Rory called and asked how I wanted to handle it. I again told him to come get his shit and his money. Rory did not show up. I went to Seattle for a couple of days. While there Rory called and said that he would come by on Monday. Monday came and went with no word from Rory. Same with Tuesday with the exception of me directing a lot of funds from my accounts for various projects. On Wednesday I was headed to a photo shoot with a model in the car. Rory calls and tries to start an argument. I hung up on him and forwarded my phone to TSB.

Rory then decided to take it to the board.

Here are the specs of the shoot:

The work included 10 different models with 1 photo shoot, 2 karaoke songs on video, and a 10 minute BJ video each.

I gave Rory a price of $5000 for a 10 video package. This price was done only because Rory was broke, had been a good customer in the past, and promised to kick me a lot of business at my standard rates once he was back on his feet. The normal price for this type of package would be at least $10,000 for me to produce it. I took a gamble on him and cut him the deal.

It is not my fault that Rory backed out of the payment arrangements which caused me to pull the plug on the shoots. Rory has offered to settle for $1250.00 and he will get his money on September 15th because that is the original date of the culmination of our verbal contract.

As ADIDAS has stated, it is common practice for a content provider to receive 100% payment upfront for exclusive work. This is how Rory and his partners paid me in the past, this is how ALL of my other clients pay me now, and this is what Rory agreed to for this project as well. If I choose to start the work before receiving the full amount then that is a risk that I take. I have been known to do this for some customers as was the case here. I then hold on to the content until the payments have been satisfied.

If you do not like the way that I do business then that is fine by me. There are plenty of serious clients in the world who have a clue about this business and they are happy to deal with me.

Goes to show, theres ALWAYS 2 sides to every story.

I think this is Aarons way of trying to win a dvd by starting another thread!


Chris

I havent read the whole deal but..

see what you get for being nice?

give an inch.. they'll take a mile

well this makes a lot more sense. GFY take note. Composure brings truth...try it sometimes!!

Anyone wanna buy a flobee?

If this is going to be the final thread on this topic - I will repost my comment from another thread here - since I think as an outside party - I was able to cut through the crap. (for full disclosure I am a friend of aarons and i don't know rory - but I don't think that matters)

I was posting this to rory -

*If the contract said the you were going to PREPAY him 5k (by a date) so that he could set up and shoot 10 sets.

*AND he had until the 15th of september to either return you your money - or turn over the content -

*AND you only gave him 2k.

what's your problem? - it's not the 15th of the month yet - and by your own admission you are in breach of the agreement.

You could even take him the 3grand and probably still be okay, under the agreement. but he still wouldn't be in breach of the contact until sept 15 - and which point he would have to return the full 5k or turn over the content and the license.

Well shouldnt we hear rory's side?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh


Lets do it all again!

Lets go for 500 posts in this thread!

How about someone start a poll?

And the moral of this story is NEVER do business by phone alone, get it in writing. Then you have proof, verbal contracts are the way to trouble. Misunderstanding, heard/said wrong, not remembered quite the same way.

Aarons explanation seems believable, I cannot believe a content provider of his standing is short of $2000 to go on a trip.

First of all I will reply to that contract issue : show me a contract that says all these details? Please show me something that has the details.... I have backed up all of my claims with physical or audio evidence. Never once have I seen this contract or has anyone else for that matter. Aaron by his own admission says he terminated the contract 'several weeks' ago cause apparently I had no money or soemthing (should I link you to the audio file again where there are 2 seperate explantions about happened during 1 phone call?) IMO when a contract is terminated that pretty much means its over man. That was 2 weeks ago. Tell me how the 15th of sep is relevant oif the shoot was terminated by aaron seveal weeks ago? Please if you can tell me this maybe I will understand your point better.

Also in regards to the I only gave him 2k statement. Do you understand that I only gave him 2k to have 0 shoots? Has that sunk in yet that maybe thats not a very good deal?

If you would have listened to the audio tape you may have heard aaron refusing to give me 10 shoots if I give him 3k. Once again shall I hold your hand to the audio file where that is stated? Please do get all your facts straight before you post. Unlike aaron I have audio/picture/receipt evidence, aaron seems to be relying merely on 'verbal contract' and things that there are no way to prove. Also would you believe how many coincidences surround this? Weird

CHarly would you also like a copy of the audio tape of him telling me he couldnt pay me back because he has no money?

What I dont undestarnd is why you people seem to ignore the fact that aaron has done 0 shoots and has terminated tyhe contract 2 weeks ago and I still have no depoist back. Please where is my money? I will shut the fuck up if iam payed my $2000 deposit back.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by AaronM
[B]Please bookmark this reply and post it where needed since I will only say this one time.


i think you have said it more then one time AaronM.

Charly,

do you guys ever show on icq?


I wanted to talk some content stuff.. but I never see you on?

Chris

ok, so Aaron gave Rory a BULK deal based on 10 shoots. Rory then is unable to come up with the rest of the money that was agreed upon to satisfy the deal, and the deal never happens. That does make sence.

You can't purchase a vast quantity of a product just so you can get the bulk deal, and then decide you only want a small amount of the product, and still keep the bulk deal price. Now, I am quite certain Rory did not try and get a bulk deal price in such a manner, he just was unable to come up with the rest of the money at the specified time. But you cannot still expect to get the same exact deal once a portion of that deal has been infringed upon.

Hey rory -

I listened to the audio -

I heard you confirm that you had ordered 10 sets - and that you were going to prepay.

I heard aaron say that even if you delivered him the 3k - he wouldn't shoot the stuff for you. (I didn't say he would have to).

all I have to go on - is what the two of you are posting - which I give no weight - and what I heard on the audio tape - which I give full weight and validity - cuz I heard both of you guys agree to almost everything.

With what I heard - I heard enough to make it sound like

you guys had an agreement to deliver 10 sets if you prepaid him money for the shoots. I understand that you got nervous after giving hiim 2k and not seeing any content.

But I understand where he is coming from too. what if - and this is just a what if - but what if he really needed 3500 to be able to do the shoot - let's say he was booking through an agency for all the girls - and they would deliver the girls - but needed more than 2k to secure it - and you are holding out on the remainder of the money - potentially making it impossible for him to do the shoot.

whatever the reason - it doesn't really matter - because it sounded like you agreed to the terms. After you agreed to them - some of the devils from the details popped out - and you got upset. okay fine - but - that doesn't change that you have to uphold your end of the deal.

from the sound of the verbal agreement you guys reached - even if you uphold your end of the contract - he is under no obligation to do the shoot. (*something you should look at changing in future deals you make with people) there should be a penalty for making you wait two months - and still not having anything to show for it.

basically you just gave aaron a no interest loan. stupid - but whatever. don't get mad at him - you agreed to the terms. don't get mad at me for pointing this out to you - you're the one airing your dirty laundry on a public board.

but i'm sure you are doing a public service for people - they are learning a lot about contract negotiations, terms and conditions, and who to do business with...so thanks... and gofuckyourself

~Brett

Aaron 2 questions here man.... if this was such a bad deal from the beginning why was there no reluctance to cash my $2000 check? You fuckin had no problem cashing that right away.

Can you please post some evidence to support this verbal contract (that ironically was changed from a 100% up front deal before shooting to a deposit then shoot (had to come up with a reason why he was charging me for $750 for no shows), shalll we all get a link back to the original posts on this?) Just something that is more concrete than simply my word against yours. I feel that I have taken the time to do a little bkg reserach here and I would appreciate if you did a little bkg as well. Also just a question , would it make a difference if the words deposit were written in that memo of the original check? I dunno aaron am I bluffing again?

This is a riidiculous thread but please dont start new topics that are out of context and try and to restart the debate under a different lite. If you really had a solid case wouldnt you think that you wouldnt be so god damn dodgy and have to post all these fuckin insane off topic threads?

Rory

Yep my nigga is so broke that he is leavin for Vegas on Sunday. Staying in a fli ass suite and shooting biatchez all week long.

I wish I wuz that broke. :thumbsup

Just in case this computer is fucked up could somebody please tell me the length of that audio file? From my end it looked like 11 minutes but Rory was saying it was 17.5 just before it ended. Where are the other 6.5 minutes? If they are there then cool but if not then it just proves that Rory is covering shit up. Also why did the call seem to cut out in one place then pick up again in another?

I smell a rat in the Sherwood Forest. :321GFY

Motherfucker!!!!!!! this show keeps jumping from thread to thread! Im sick of having to chase it down. :1orglaugh

Tell yo nigga to pay him back the money he took from him and shut the fuck up then dipshit. As he agreed to do in the threads after that one mysteriously disappeared.

I don't have anything against Aaron personally but you know what? Enough of this shit, Aaron said he'd give him his shit back, they agreed to call it quits, that 2k should buy some damn nice dvd players so move on. If someone gave us a deposit and couldn't or didn't produce what we needed to shoot we would give them their fucking money back and not shoot for them again. End of story.

Brett at what point that you describe there does it give the content producer the right to spend money that was given to him for shoots by client #1 on client #2 if he has no means of being able to financially cover that $2k. That is bad business my friend and I dont care how many times you wanna dance around the fact. I also wanna knwo if the contract was terminated by aaron ( you agree with that right?) why are the terms of the orginal contarct relevant anymore? If a contract is terminated doesnt that make it dead, no longer valid, etc.? It seems as if there may be a double standard on this here, I should be expected to follow the terms of the original agreement (by paying him $3000 on sep 15th , which is a fuckin made up agreement anyhow), but he shouldnt be held accountable for his end of the deal (let alone the fact that he is unable to finacially afford to return my deposit. At what point does that becoema double standard? You expect one guy to comply with the terms of some made up verbal contract even though it was terminated, but you seem perfectly ok with the fact that aaron refuses to fill his end of this 'verbal agreement' by having ten shoots on what was it supposed to be spe 15th or soemthing? Please break down your logic here.

and who really cares about audio? i didnt even listen to it because someone on either side should have been smart enough to at least email the other.

That sure does make sense.

How would he do that? When he doesnt have the money to pay Rory. I don't think your helping your friends case much.. :1orglaugh

My nigga said he would pay him the money on the 15th of this month per their contract. Figure it out biatch.

Thanks for the little support, this is getting tiring. What I wanna know is why all these poeple supporting aaron keep skimming over the fact that he owes me $2000 (or as aaron would say $1250 minus the 'kill fees' of having to reschedule even though this was of course a 100% up front deal with a $2000 'deposit'). Everyone seems to be very quick at searching for some inconsistency in some post from yesaterday but nobody wants to acknowledge that aaron owes me $2000 and is not paying. What part of that is hard to understand cause it seems pretty cut and dry tro me.

Rory

Ummm ok, which contract was that? Can someone scan that in and post it

He dumbass.... didnt your 'nigga' cancel that same contract 2 weeks ago? Explain to me how a cancelled contract is relevant. Or actually you know why dont you start a spin off of how iam a bad guy. Dare we need to get back to this?

Pay the fuck up aaron. And I hope that everyone thinks its as funny as you do that you can afford to go to vegas , but you cant affoird to pay a debt that you admit to oweing. Sign me up for that for that great fuckin PR.

Rory

Ill be in Vegas this weekend..

If the karoake equipment is still around I will do nude karoake for kimmy live from the Monte Carlo.

Any requests??

Since the rat is fucking with Aaron I think it might be pretty funny to see the rat get fukt with right back. The terms are the 15th. If Aaron has 10 mil stashed under his nutsack then it is nobodies business but his own unless he does not pay by the set date.

Un no, he didnt. He said come get his money and karaoke stuff today unless I am illiterate.

The terms eh?

Yep you are. Read it again dummy.

He's already said hes not shooting the shit even after the guy offered to give him the rest of the money, that would make the contract void, which would make the due date void, the money is owed now.

BTW, nice fucking attitude, but are you sure your good buddy Aaron wants you talking for him, cause from the I dont give a fuck either way standpoint most of us are looking at this from, if his attitude is the same as yours, I just learned that I want to conduct no buisness with aaron whatsofucking ever (I'm assuming your the friend he was trying to get unbanned)

Ill be sitting here eagerly awating your "my nigga dont be needin yo fukkin bidness anyway dawg" post

I'm not the dummy nigga, put up or shut up.

Ya, im not sure i would choose him to be in my corner either

bad business - maybe. but you pretend like you have been a round for a while - you should agree that cash flow can be a bitch - juggling money - might be good business - if it allows you to expand. illegal? no.

I agree that aaron said that he would not be delivering content to you - I don't know if he ever said - that the contract was terminated. I don't know what the law would be on verbal agreements. let's pretend that this was all written down.

if two people agree to something. then later they decide they didn't want to do it. hopefully there was a clause in the first agreement that would cover that. If not they need to come to an agreement - on how they terminate the agreement.

in this case - if aaron wanted to tear up the original agreement - you and he need to agree on how the money would be returned - and by when.

otherwise - the original agreement survives and - he has until sept 15 to get you the content or the money.

***example****

yahoo and google go in on a deal.
google agrees to the terms -
on the condition that yahoo invest 1.5 million in hardware costs. yahoo invests the money in the hardware -
and then google decides it wants to terminate the agreement.

okay, yahoo agrees to terminate the deal
but it has already invested the money in the hardware.
Google needs to find some way of fixing this - because yahoo only invested that money because of the agreement with google.

DOES THIS MAKE SENSE?

in the same way - you had made a committment to aaron that he would have the money for a certain period of time - and that if he didn't do what he said he would do - he would have to give the money back on a date. if you want to terminate early - you can't just expect him to hand you a check that minute.

***end of play time - i'm going back to work***

Sorry but I must leave this topic alone. I did post because I felt that there was a new topic started that was misinformational and didnt cover the #1 issue (being where is Rorys money? and why isnt it being payed back). I really feel like trying to defend myself as Iam not intedning to ruin anyones rep.... I just want my money back and I want to let people know how I was treated by aaron. I would appreciate if someone is new to thsi topic that you do some reading (unfortunatly there was a thread deleted by wizzo to protect a few things that aaron m shouldnt have said (read incriminating himself)) and please try and get a general background before taking a stand on this issue. I have been true for all these hundreds of post to the fact that I woukd simply like my shoots I payed for or my money return in a timely manner. This contrcat was terminated (per aarons words) 2 weeks ago, I think that a payback date of the 15th of sep is a bit much for returning a deposit. This also seems to be funny now that aaron is planning a vacation to vegas even though he is incapable of returning my money. Aaron it is time to wake up and realize that you are broke and that you arent as uber as you portray yuorself to be. I have audio of you saying to me that you simply dont have any money. Of course I imagine you will probably say that was a joke of course as you stated several times in earlier threads on this topic (read "A: I never threatened to sue him", quote of aaron threatening to sue Rory, Well we all know that was just a joke when i made that threat) Shall we link to that thread aaron? SUre why the hell not : post of aaron backing his way out of a comment he made on the deleted thread Its about 3/4 of the way down the page. Iam just not buying all these coincidences. Its a coincidence that it sounds retarted that if you had a contract with a guy for a 100% upfront that you would accept a deposit. Is that fishy to anyone else? I can go on but I feel I have had a large poart of my will sucked out of me trying to defend myself in a situation where I am out of $2000. If aaron was so fuckin 'screwed' how come he has had $0 out of pocket ... its all out of my pocket. Whatever I dunno why I keep posting these facts .. hey will simply be skimmed over in favor of replying about some crazy new addition to this 'verbal contract' that nobody has any proof of. Goodnight everyone =).

Rory

yea yea yea.. east side long beach 20 block cryp' till I slip.

I got my niggas where's yo niggas?? nigga ain't nuffin' but a bitch. I gotta pimp these ho's nigga, grind them high heels into the pavement freal, nawutimean!?

I do not know what was agreed, because it was not in writing. But;

If someone gives me a deposit for work and then does not pay the balance by the agreed date. Then the deposit is mine.

If I decide to give him the content after he pays after the agreed date that is my choice. If the buyer indicates that he may not have the money by the agreed date I will not go ahead with the shoot.

For exclusive work most of us want it 100% up front before we shoot it, if the guy only has half the money then he only orders half the work.

Hey broham I do not know who you are but Aaron says you are cool so I will be cool to you. There was a verbal contract that can be heard by both people in the audio clip. Rory admits to the terms in his own clip. Now the rat and others are talking about posting the contracts that everybody knows do not exist since it was verbal.

I have known Aaron for 3 years and I have never seen him screw one person over. I have seen Rory lie and switch shit around first hand. I know the truth cause I have whitnessed most of this in person not on the board.

Aaron has a good business rep. If you have ever done business with him and he has fucked you over please step forward now. We have already heard from the rat. Any others?

Oh So Aaron cancelled everything about the contract excpet the fucking due date. I get it.. wait, no i dont, if rory offered Aaron the other 3k to finish the goddamn job, and aaron said no (which i head in all it's mp3 glory, the contract is gone.. no more.. fubar, along with it is that magical date your in love with. So whats that mean.. the 1250 is due the second he said no. It's pretty simple,

If you'd like I could take one of my daughters crayons, write it out for you and fax it over if that would help any?

Not to mention the fact that AaronM's story has kept changing, whereas yours has been rock solid from day 1.

Says a lot.

YO YO YO

Hey there sizzlechest, why don't you go finger yourself in the asshole for the time being, us businessmen have work to do.

Commin' on here crackin' wise like a real toughguy, bringin' that light weight cake mix shit like you're from the streets.. you don't know the meaning of the word ghetto.

Fuck with the best die with the rest, and as we say down in ol' Mexico City, AMF !!

I do expect people who are going to post disputing this issue to please review all the material before posting. This was taken from the original phone audio and I would imagine that this poretty much covers the termination of the contract? Please know the facts.

Audio clip

lovely, I am agreeing with pentae again it seems.

Aaron owned this nick to start, can't believe he's not using it to post.

Just give the kid his money Aaron and move on.

Yeah Lil' Kim.. she's down wit it. Hangin' out on the street wit my homies, sippin' down some 40s with cronies.. WHAT!?

Yeah yeah yeah, cradle rock style!

wow story changed drastically... I think if my math was correct I tallied up $5,500 in the first post instead of $5k lol... ah well... I think both of you are broke and can't afford each other...Rory didn't have the money to pay up front and now Aaron doesnt have the money to give him back the initial down payment if you will... If you don't have the $2k just tell him you don't and give it to him on the specified original date!

Give him his $2,000 on the 15th and be done with it...what the fuck is the problem?

Jesus Christ. TSB has been smoking, drinking, and posting again. Sorry about that. :(

Please...Go on bashing both of us. No worries on my end. Facts are facts and they are all printed above. You want a contract? I have a contract that Rory's prior company agreed to. This should be sufficiant proof that Rory was aware of my payment terms.

The only reason I bothered to respond is because TheDrunkHighSpaceyBulldog has decided to try to "help" me. Thanks for the though man but not sure that it did any good. :)

Bed time. Have fun with this one. :winkwink:

These things never end up good.

The sad thing is certain people don't realize how bad this makes them look. Everytime this stuff has happened - the person that owes the other person the money - always thinks this won't hurt their business in the future. They always say something like "I don't care what you guys think - I am right - and plenty of people will do business with me"

Who cares about 5 days - Rory wants the money and Aaron said he owes it to him. Making him wait for it - if he doesn't have to - is just malicious.

Seems to me like AM is just trying to stand up for his "principles" - which seem to be try to do everything possible to make the client unhappy - once he feels like he was screwed. Even if Rory did something wrong - if you are going to give the money back - give it back now. It would make you look good.

There are plenty of people on these boards that don't post. I was amazed in florida the number of people that said they had seen my posts on GFY - and when I asked what they posted under - they said - oh I just read them.

"If you do not like the way that I do business then that is fine by me. There are plenty of serious clients in the world who have a clue about this business and they are happy to deal with me."

Maybe so - but I have no doubt that this making him wait 5 days more for less than $2000 will cost you more than 10 times that much in the end.

The sad thing I think Aaron would probably be legally right - if he had a contract in writing.

All people are going to remember is "Oh - wasn't he the one that put that guys shit out on the front step and made him wait five extra days for his money"

If you don't think is the case - you are kidding yourself.

Actually I should be thanking you, It's like this, theres a few things i KNOW, aaron canceled the contract(heard it), aaron owes rory 1250(he admitted it), and with the contract cancelled the deposit return date is the fucking nanosecond the contract is canceled.

Up until u wandered in we all thought he just didnt have it at the moment, no big deal, happens to most of us, but your enlightning post on how he's going to vegas, geting a luxury suite, hookers, whatever, implies he has cash, lots of it, and just doesnt feel like paying off his debt.

Now u pointed out its none of my fucking buisness, maybe so, but seeing as in the future i will need some exclusive content, It's kind of nice to know who your dealing with.

So to summarize what you've taught me bulldog.. when the time comes, it's in my best intrest to take the cash, by my own equipment and shoot it my fucking self.