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There has been so much moaning and griping going on from affiliates recently I think most are finding it tougher and tougher. I get the impression some will not survive for much longer. Just the impression I get.

And it occurred to me as a sponsor, affiliate and content provider why some are doing so badly.

They have relied on the sponsor to such a degree they are little more than low paid submitters of content. Think about it, free hosting, content, galleries, blog text, banners, and everything else. All with one aim. To drive traffic to the sponsors site first, last and only.

I know that the guys sending me good traffic are the ones who have their own traffic coming from their own sites. I know the guys still buying content are still buying content, to drive to them self first and me second.

The affiliate was weaned, we then made them rely on the teat again and now he can't afford to get off it.

Traffic is KING if you totally own it, if you're only submitting and sending it to a paysite you don't own.

We built it and we supported it and we should not complain or we should change it is my advice.

We built it so 99% of surfers did not buy, then to counter this we made sure we sent 1,000s of surfers. As it got worse we decided the solution was to send more surfers to something they were increasingly reluctant to buy.

Now we are moaning that 99.9% of surfers don't buy. So let's send more traffic. :1orglaugh

WOW... A Paul Markham business post that actually is on the mark... :pimp

not sure about the first post, but this is actually nicely said and true...

only agreed, i am trying to build only reselling network so if i want good traffic i need it from search engines, and without sites where will be comming back my users? thank you for letting me know that i am not that dumb with my daily smoking ;) respect and wish you the best with your sites everyone!

You missed it Paul, and you did it on purpose. You completely ignored the actual POINT of the other threads that inspired you to make this one.

Potential affiliates are asking you why you will let a torrent site that is NOT your affiliate, post full length videos and site rips but you won't let your own affiliates do the same.

Answer that question.

this is a well thought out post and one of the best i have read.

What am i looking for as an affiliate?

Free content clips i can use 1-2 mins long
Embed flash clips longer then 20 seconds... shorter then 2mins.
Not getting kicked of the program if i use some unauthorised content but am still sending them sales.

At the end of the day, Surfers will not come back to your site if u just have a bunch of 10 second clips. Its sad but true. Sponsors need to realise this is a two way relationship and they shouldnt bite the hand that fed them in the first place. This isnt directed at anyone before someone jumps in. this is my general opinion.

i think putting once per time one full serie or big movie preview for each site can be nice move for surfers, if that will do more companies, surfers will get many free stuff on surfers affiliate sites and will not need to go to torrents etc. they will feel like they are getting enough and for more they will pay. more sites saying full gallery download can beat the "full gallery ..." etc requests in search engines so less traffic come to stolen content. my surfers will be happy and me too cause they will come back to my "full galleries" site ... btw is someone doing that? if yes please spam me to my icq so i dont want to hijack this post ;) sorry if its off topic its just newbies :2 cents:

Because they do all the work, post a single video (yes I know a few rip a whole site, but with my site that's a lot of work) host it and satisfy the guy who wants 20 minutes pleasure. He was a target audience back in the early days but he's not now. The guy who is my target, is looking for 400+ videos of the style we do is typing in the URL and coming over to get a trouble free large selection of the same content that gets him off. Plus update, plus mobiel, plus ipod.

Yes when someone rips off my whole site and gives it away for free then I no doubt will suffer. The sites ripping off the surfer for the last 10 years are suffering very badly. Sites that deliver what we deliver are not suffering so badly.

The affiliate system is a good, in fact a very good system. The problem is when 60% of a sites revenue (and sometimes more) goes to support the system. When the selling price is dominated not by the product price but by the need to give an affiliate $30 of every sale, you leave yourself open to the leaner, fitter and better equipped.

Or in simpler words, when you price yourself out of a market, to support a bad system. It's not the fault of the guy who undercuts you. Look in the mirror for the culprit. And yes I'm part of the problem.

Yes I missed part of the post, but you still not have not thought through the real danger from sites giving content in big numbers and full length. I will not tell you, wonder who will think it through to the end game?

hit me up, I can get them for you.


I think Paul's post is spot-on. It's nothing a good program owner and or/affiliate shouldn't already realize though, because this trend has been in the making for well over a year or so. The line between affiliate/sponsor/producer, etc... it's not black and white anymore.

So what you're saying is that you hate your affiliates. You resent sharing 60% of the sale with them. The act of the Torrent site posting full videos and promoting another sponsor instead of you, is a pleasure to you because it's a subtle "Fuck You" to those affiliates who you've had to share your money with. You would rather Torrentsite.com give away your video and make money from a dating sponsor, than allow your affiliate to give away your video and promote you. Why?

Paul, why do you bother even having an affiliate program if you despise them so much?

I have the content you want so hit me up after you sign up as an affiliate. Will I ban you for using content you should not use. Well I give you enough already and would advise you talk to me if it's not enough.

As for who feeds who, well it's a debate. But welcome to the world of business. Look at the label on the shirt on your back. Made in the US or Far East? Do you worry about the US clothes worker you put out of work when you buy, or do you buy it without a thought to him?

When a new supplier of goods opened up did you shun him and stay with the guy "who had been feeding you" or did you move on?

Welcome to the business world. You earn your spot and every day you work you have to justify your place. When someone invents a better model, those who stay with the old one lose out.

You say I hate them. You're wrong. I don't hate anyone.

Should the industry support a system that clearly is not working is the question.

You still do not get it do you Brujah. Think and think very hard about it. Think out of the box, think like a business man who is not under threat because he's following an outdated and obsolete business model.

The world has changed and no matter how many weaving machines the Luddites smashed they still could not stop progress. Get with tomorrows program and move away from yesterdays.

Have you ever thought the free traffic the Torrent sites send helps me to pay out and support my affiliates to the tune of 60%? Or is that too much free thinking?

Get a calculator out and work out the costs of a site signing up 1,000 a month. Everything, including the costs of affiliates. The site to justify the price, the sponsor paying the processing fees, lawyers, accountants, EVERYTHING.

Paul, let me give you an example to see if it helps.

Let's say I'm your affiliate. You won't let me use full videos (do you even have video content?) or post huge full galleries to download, to push sales to you.

You would rather I open a torrent site and post all your full videos or galleries there instead, and promote another sponsor like Fling or AFF or Fleshlight.

That's just .. dumb. But hey, if that's what you really want. Ok.

Paul, you act like you been doing this for years and have this all figured out. its funny to see a content provider open an affiliate prrogram and fail miserably.

just face the fact thet you are not cut out for this game, and stick to what you think you can do good at like shooting content of teen girls with already low self esteem and have your pig wife clean up your cum shots after you molest your models.

affiliate programs are not your niche, just sell your program or close up shop.


thanks BRO

Coming soon? PaulsTorrents.com

Download all of Paul Markham sites. Please sign up with my dating sponsor, and buy a fleshlight. Paul won't let me promote him with all this great content, but it's ok if I promote everyone else. Yeah, I know. Crazy isn't it? It's thinking out of the box. It's .. branding.

Do I resent giving 60% or more or $30 to get a single sign up?

If it puts me out of business to people selling a sign up for $5 I do. Should I continue down a rocky path on the side of a slippery slope so Brujah, who probably does not send me traffic says so?

Maybe we should ask him if he will send traffic to a site that does not work well, to keep the sponsor solvent?

Brujah we either shut down Torrent type sites and that's impossible or we compete with them for the surfer. We have been competing with each other for the affiliate. And like to March hares fighting each other for a doe, we are in danger of getting eaten by the fox.

I'm saying we have to change, adapt and evolve or get eaten.

I've always believed in self-sufficiency and a profitable internal business model first. Think about a restaurant or mainstream business, you wouldn't offer and rely on franchises to others until your very own business, formula and operation is profitable..

:2 cents:

Typical of you to ignore my points. :2 cents:

Why would I bother being an affiliate of yours? You would rather I was not, and promote dating sponsors with all of your stolen content instead.

Seriously. I would much rather never deal with you at all. I would much rather get paid by dating sponsors, and give away all of your content for free. Then you can admire how brilliant I am for commanding so much traffic while not sending you any of it. :1orglaugh

How many of you program owners operate sites as affiliates and make money? Don't fucking post about wtf an affiliate is doing when you have no fucking clue. stfu. Go generate some of your own traffic and then talk about what affiliates do.

The problem is the huge amount of hobbiests promoting your programs as affiliates. They aren't affiliates... they are hobbiests. How many of your affiliates are full time webmasters? got any other stupid ass shit to say? talk to the hand.

Is this the end?

So you don't want to support my program, you don't want to send me traffic, you do want to steal my content for your own use. And you think I should work and think the way you tell me to.

Fine, mind if I don't do as you want?

And I did not say I did not want you to send traffic. Another of your fantasies.

Go get a calculator and do some simple sums.

nation-x most of us work as affiliates, most of us have our own traffic generation. It's one of the ways we pay for the affiliates.

As for the hobbiest, would you like to see the back of them?

Then only support programs that give you no tools. Every tool given out makes it easier for a hobbiest. Or should we only give it to those who have proved themselves?

No one would join under that regime. Seems it would be an own goal.

As usual those who rely on how it was yesterday are in here screaming we should turn back the clock. Too many King Canutes thinking they can turn the tide. :1orglaugh

No just the beginning of a new chapter.

What some don't seem to realise is the sites giving it away are just taking the business model we had to a new level. Most of those complaining about sites giving away porn are moaning because it's not them giving it away.

The stealing content is a side issue. They are moaning not because someone is stealing content from them, some of them don't have any to steal and they sure as hell do not care if anyones stealing form me. In fact Brujah suggested it.

What pisses them off is the sign ups they are losing to them. sponsors are not losing sign ups ac

In fact we have affiliates, who give away content they did not pay for, complaining about sites giving away content that is often given to them by the contents owner. Bizarre or what?

But they are still too short sighted to see the elementary truths. Brujah I am very serious and say get out your calculator and work it out. It's so obvious it's funny.

Paul, has dementia set in already? Wow. Can someone else try explaining what I have, in a way he can understand it better?

Paul, ok ok .. I will create a site just to give away all of your content. Of course it will be hugely popular, because it's free! I'll get lots of traffic. My dating sponsor will love me. Stop begging me already.

there is NO point in trying to reason with mr molesting markam. he is simply to stubborn and old to have a logical conversation with.

him and baddog are in the same catagory

I dunno, I've been a full-time professional affiliate for several years now and I don't see it getting tougher. Some parts are -- search engine traffic has gotten a lot less reliable since Google went spastic -- but revenue for me is stable-to-growing.

Are there actually people doing this full time and making a good living at it? I thought that era came and went in under a year.

That part I agree with. It's the only way to make it as an affiliate, because when you have the traffic, you have the power.

I'm gonna ignore the rest of the bunfight in this thread, except to say this. In my experience, a program owner who talks tough about his affiliates, speaks easily of banning them, and uses disrespectful language in discussing them has not fully experienced the power of a good affiliate network. The owners who have damn near *worship* their productive affiliates. Rules? "I'm sure we can work something out. Meanwhile, what do you need from us that you don't have yet?" Indeed, I've learned to use the presence of strict talk or harsh rules in an affiliate program description as a filter to save me from having to deal with idiots. The folks I want to deal with are the ones who already understand that they need my traffic way worse than I need them. Because they aren't likely to jerk me around.

It's a seller's market for traffic these days. I've only got so many surfers, and I've got an infinite universe of programs to send them to.

you sound like you have a big ego problem, you got a few hits and want to have a stroke job while getting paid? who is the customer here? you or the affiliate program

You know the answer to your own question Brujah, Paul is a whore like the rest of us, he wants all the money he can generate without having to pay anything out.

Torrent sites cut out the affiliate and feed the surfer some nice watermarked content that allows for even nicer type-in traffic that is 100% revenue split free sales.

I mean come on, look who were talking about here, THIS is a man who....

(a) Dresses up 30 y/o women and tries to pass them off as teens

(b) Put himself in as many movies as he could to boost his own name brand (or ego?)

(c) Spams more then the worst troll ever to grace any board

(d) Tried to give away "FREE" Watermarked content (to one of his domains)

He does not need to take time out of his porno empire to explain to you his actions, Paul is a god, bow down and worship the master of the..... Um..... anyone????


~Socrates~

LOL. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, may I offer Exhibit A from my roster of supporting evidence?

Oh, yeah, and to actually answer "Top N I G G E R" as he calls himself: The affiliate program is the customer. I'm the supplier. I sell eyeballs attached to credit cards, without which an affiliate program owner is just a guy with a bunch of naked pictures.

you are a moron haha

your 13 hits a week isnt going to hurt my business too bad. I think I can manage without someone like you.

you are the type of affiliate that program owners hate.

move along

LOL, am I still sending you thirteen hits a week? I thought I'd pulled all my links to you years ago.

By the way I really do appreciate you dropping into this thread to illustrate my point for me.

You dont want this guys business gunner. :2 cents:

do a search on gfy.

Is that why programs shave? Because they hate afiliates? I don't promote either one of your programs... magic links and admissions of shaving... lol

Math lesson below...
13 hits X 10,000 affiliates = 130,000 hits

that said... the first check I ever got in adult was from epic cash.

The basic answer to this is that all programs that have affiliates owe their success to affiliates... talking shit about them is certainly a strong indicator of your lack of character. If you don't like dealing with affiliates then hire someone who does or stop running an affiliate program... simple as that... but... oh wait... where would you be without affiliates?

I prefer being a hobbiest affiliate.. actually. :)

wtf does this have todo with shaving?

LOL

are you bi-polar?

and I do not deal with affiliates fyi, I have people that work for me to handle you nimrods.

a majority of our traffic is generated inhouse actually, so without affiliates Id be just fine and still have all the nice things and cash and investments I will ever need. please dont try and act like you are soemone special and important becuase you are not.

you are a bottom feeder, a nobody, a nothing and it pisses you off to see an asshole like me make millions and have the attitude that i have towards you idiots

go jerk off forkbread.

Heh, Sharphead, I thought you wrote "hobbit affiliate."

And my first thought was "hobbit content?" I could really sell that!

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next step is just signing up, send monthly checks of X$ just to stay in your dbase as an affiliate;p

:1orglaugh

thx for the history lesson... lol... throw more stones glass house man... go buy some coke and fuck a couple more hookers. I don't care how much you make... or how much coke you can snort... or how many pills you can take... or how many guns you own... what seperates us is that I am a man with my dignity intact and you are a user. When your marriage fails and you realize that you are surounded by people (that are not really your friends) who use you in one way or another... you will go right back to doing what you do best. While my life just keeps getting better... Too bad you don't know me... too bad money can't truely make you happy... it can only offer escape.

So keep doing what your doing... I am sure it will al work out for you in the end... Don't let the mirror bother you... it's just you staring back.... and if it doesn't... then hopefully you will learn to deal with your sociopathic issues before you die.