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Outlook Alternative - Mozilla Thunderbird

07-14-2007, 11:00 AM

For some time I was looking for an alternative to Outlook, but it was never real high on the priority list. That is until my uncle, or some one new on my friends and family e-mail list got infected with some spam shit. Next thing you know, I am getting spam e-mail all fucking day long.

I would block them at first, but that never stopped them from coming. I checked into SpamArrest, but after reading over the info I was not impressed. I talked to a close buddy in the Czech Republic, and he recommended either 'the bat', or Thunderbird if I did not want to lose my e-mail. I figured I would try that first.

I have to say that so far in the week I've been using it, I have been impressed by Thunderbird. Once you get it set up, and set the filters etc. It solved the spam shit so I was no longer getting them in my main inbox. It also have some nice tweaks here and there, plus the format, and search features were nice additions.

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07-14-2007, 11:07 AM

I use Thunderbird on my Ubuntu boxes.

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07-14-2007, 11:38 AM

I use it - its filters can be a bit over zealous though - it filters a lot of useful email - I suppose because of the biz and where we get emails from.
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07-14-2007, 11:41 AM

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07-14-2007, 01:15 PM

I find thunderbird far better than outlook

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07-14-2007, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by damian2001

I use it - its filters can be a bit over zealous though - it filters a lot of useful email - I suppose because of the biz and where we get emails from.

It's adaptive you have to train it. Unmarking it as junk improves the accuracy
of the junk mail filters. And yes it really works

In junk mail controls options you can reset the training data

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07-14-2007, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by ServerGenius

It's adaptive you have to train it. Unmarking it as junk improves the accuracy
of the junk mail filters. And yes it really works

In junk mail controls options you can reset the training data

Yep. You have to spend the time to configure it so that it 'learns' but once you do it works lovely.

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07-14-2007, 04:49 PM

I use it and it rocks....

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07-14-2007, 04:55 PM

Thunderbird has limits, it will one day crash and eat your mail, it can get locked with attachment hacks, and the spam filter is very basic and easy to beat and it has memory limit on the amount of spam it can learn.

I get 1500+ spams daily, every day.. easily. I have tried 25-30 different email clients and spam filters to end up using http://www.spamfighter.com/ with outlook express.. I get about 2% spam now, compared to 30-40% with Thunderbird.

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07-14-2007, 05:03 PM

Thunderbird with Portable Apps rocks. Just take the whole thing and back up to a computer often and you won't lose everything if it does crap out. Real easy to avoid a catastrophe.

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07-14-2007, 05:05 PM

Love it to manage multiple Gmail accounts !

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07-14-2007, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by TheDoc

Thunderbird has limits, it will one day crash and eat your mail, it can get locked with attachment hacks, and the spam filter is very basic and easy to beat and it has memory limit on the amount of spam it can learn.

I get 1500+ spams daily, every day.. easily. I have tried 25-30 different email clients and spam filters to end up using http://www.spamfighter.com/ with outlook express.. I get about 2% spam now, compared to 30-40% with Thunderbird.

Well this is not an issue for me.

Most of my webmaster, and internet mail goes to forwarded wm addy's to gmail, yahoo, hotmail, whatever. So their spam, and virus filters deal with that volume, and madness.

My home e-mail account(s) are mainly family, and close friends. So it's very limited on who has that e-mail address. Which is where I use Outlook (now thunderbird).

So for my purposes, it handles the little bit (100+) of annoying e-mails, and shit I was receiving. Ending my grief with that madness.

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07-14-2007, 05:35 PM

I didnt want to lose all my emails everytime my computer had a problem,so I bought yahoo mail its $20 a year,unlimited space,anti virus.The spam filter is weak but its worth thats I can check my email anywhere and if a computer craps out I lose nothing.
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07-14-2007, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by tony404

I didnt want to lose all my emails everytime my computer had a problem,so I bought yahoo mail its $20 a year,unlimited space,anti virus.The spam filter is weak but its worth thats I can check my email anywhere and if a computer craps out I lose nothing.

I actually use my Yahoo as a backup for important e-mails. Those I get for both personal, and wm. I forward them over to that account. They have folders, unlike gmail , so I catagorize my accounts. That way I never lose passwords, important shit I need for any variety of things (although I also have triple backed up on spreadsheets).

I do not use it for much more than storage of e-mail. It's good, and unless yahoo goes down, all is nice and safe backup just in case.

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07-14-2007, 05:46 PM

Welcome to 2004. It isn't a terrible mail system, it has pluses and minuses like anything else. I still use a version of outlook, but I have spamarrest in front of it, and use hotmail, gmail, and yahoo accounts as needed to keep the spam levels down to something reasonable.
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07-14-2007, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by RawAlex

Welcome to 2004.

Other than the recent change in Outlook to Thunderbird for home account, I've been doing the rest for years (yahoo, gmail, backup).

When I first started back in 97 I used to use home account for e-mail for everyone. One virus that year wiping out main HD (I always have 2nd, and sometimes a third plus ext) was the end of that.

Since then I've always had 2-3 of the other accounts (Lycos, Hotmail, Yahoo, Gmail, etc) for dealing with web, and webmaster mail. Much safer. Less grief.

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07-15-2007, 10:19 AM

I've been using THunderbird for two years or more now and love it to bits. The filters do need to be reset once in a while, but it's a very powerful little program.

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07-15-2007, 10:35 AM

dayum, 1500 spam mails a day....ouch

i use apple mail and i cant even remember the last time i had spam on my macbook. Entourage (mac outlook) works really well too, use that for perosnal and i very rarely get spam on that
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07-15-2007, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by TheDoc

Thunderbird has limits, it will one day crash and eat your mail, it can get locked with attachment hacks, and the spam filter is very basic and easy to beat and it has memory limit on the amount of spam it can learn.

I get 1500+ spams daily, every day.. easily. I have tried 25-30 different email clients and spam filters to end up using http://www.spamfighter.com/ with outlook express.. I get about 2% spam now, compared to 30-40% with Thunderbird.

With such amounts of spammail you shouldn't be fighting it with your client
you should be fighting it with your mail server. postfix + clamav + amavis +
spamassasin + saslauthd + fail2ban works a hell of a lot better than any client
anti spam filter you can get.

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07-15-2007, 02:04 PM

Yeah... Thunderbird works just perfectly for me
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07-15-2007, 02:20 PM

I only use Thunderbird, and it rocks!

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07-15-2007, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by ServerGenius

With such amounts of spammail you shouldn't be fighting it with your client
you should be fighting it with your mail server. postfix + clamav + amavis +
spamassasin + saslauthd + fail2ban works a hell of a lot better than any client
anti spam filter you can get.

EXACTLY what I was going to suggest ...

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07-15-2007, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by ServerGenius

With such amounts of spammail you shouldn't be fighting it with your client
you should be fighting it with your mail server. postfix + clamav + amavis +
spamassasin + saslauthd + fail2ban works a hell of a lot better than any client
anti spam filter you can get.

I do have a few of those, but they can't be very strict since no email account I have is non-adult. I do my own support, client support and deal with webmasters, mail server filters aren't friendly with adult topics.

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