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KimJI 07-12-2007 12:01 PM
HOLY FUCK !! "The Great Global Warming Swindle"
 
I just watch The Great Global Warming Swindle, and HOLY FUCK!!!
Everyone should watch that - please take the time to watch at least the trailer - I BEG YOU!!!!

http://www.channel4.com/science/micr...dle/index.html



or read on wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gre...arming_Swindle

:):) :thumbsup

crockett 07-12-2007 12:20 PM
You are slow aren't yea...

stickyfingerz 07-12-2007 12:21 PM
Global warming is a huge sham...

_Richard_ 07-12-2007 12:21 PM
"The documentary states that volcanoes produce significantly more CO2 per year than humans (Durkin has subsequently admitted that this claim is wrong"

well, that's that

KimJI 07-12-2007 12:39 PM
Watch the whole documentary I beg you. Watch the charts that show the FACTS more then 4000 years back in time. Watch how the UN censured the report to show exactly what they wanted. Watch how the development countries are held back as a result of this.

Then you can come back and make your smartass remarks

We were cheated with the WMD's, We were cheated with Global Warming - what is next?

The Duck 07-12-2007 12:48 PM
And then go on and watch zeitgeist..

crockett 07-12-2007 12:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KimJI (Post 12747604)
Watch the whole documentary I beg you. Watch the charts that show the FACTS more then 4000 years back in time. Watch how the UN censured the report to show exactly what they wanted. Watch how the development countries are held back as a result of this.

Then you can come back and make your smartass remarks

We were cheated with the WMD's, We were cheated with Global Warming - what is next?
Umm I hate to tell you that most of the "proof" in that so called documentary has already been dis proven. The guy cherry picked his facts to try and prove his point.

The video is several months old and even the TV station that aired it, has distanced it's self from the video. Your video is stupid propaganda paid for by big oil and the likes.

KimJI 07-12-2007 01:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crockett (Post 12747675)
Umm I hate to tell you that most of the "proof" in that so called documentary has already been dis proven. The guy cherry picked his facts to try and prove his point.

The video is several months old and even the TV station that aired it, has distanced it's self from the video. Your video is stupid propaganda paid for by big oil and the likes.
simply not true. Its not a story about one guys work. It's some of the most respected scientists in the world proving the Global warming hype to be a scam. But yet people chose to believe in Al gore - the man that could not even win against President Bush.


Fact is:
There are NO evidence CO2 emissions contribute to global warming

Global warming do NOT cause more hurricanes or other extreme weather

The ice is not melting any different than it have been for more then 4000 years of RECORDED measuring

The only reason for the current rice in temperature is the sun

Those are FACTS - you cant spin it no matter how hard you try

But

Fossil fuel DO pollute - that is true, but that is a different debate apart from Global warming

Its all about $$$$ - as always

Blue Player 07-12-2007 01:10 PM
Tell the shit you wrote above to a polar bear who is drowning because the ice caps are melting and his home is becoming sea.

Do it face to face so that he eats your dumb arse for being retarded and believing everything you see on TV.

KimJI 07-12-2007 01:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Player (Post 12747750)
Tell the shit you wrote above to a polar bear who is drowning because the ice caps are melting and his home is becoming sea.

Do it face to face so that he eats your dumb arse for being retarded and believing everything you see on TV.
Have you even bothered to look at the research? I think not, but I am not surprised. You wont believe anything you are not force-feed from MTV.

Please pull you head out of your ass and look at the FACTS - the FACTS!


There is not more ice melting than there have been in the last 4000 years. Those are documented FACTS


Temperatures go up and down, have done that for the last 4000 years, and will so for many more. Its only linked to Solar activity.

But that don't raise any money for Al Gore. He is jumping this fear-wagon and he will ride it all the way to the white house unless you wake the fuck up and start dealing with the facts

Dollarmansteve 07-12-2007 01:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crockett (Post 12747675)
Umm I hate to tell you that most of the "proof" in that so called documentary has already been dis proven. The guy cherry picked his facts to try and prove his point.

The video is several months old and even the TV station that aired it, has distanced it's self from the video. Your video is stupid propaganda paid for by big oil and the likes.
So how come when some degenerate from upstate new york (Dylan Avery) makes a fictional movie called "loose change" which is full of fallacy and cherry picking -it is trumpeted as THE "documentary" than exposes the 9/11 conspiracy...

Yet when someone does the same on the Global Warming issue, it's immediate dismissed.

I'll tell you why - It is socially acceptable to believe in 9/11 conspriacy but a social faux-pas to be against global warming.

KimJI 07-12-2007 01:31 PM
Bjorn Lomborg's book "The Skeptical Environmentalist" raised several of the same questions some years ago. He was almost forced to resign from his government-fonded study because people claimed the facts was falsified and the conclusions were unfounded. He later did so by himself because the focus was removed from he problem and onto his book, and he felt that it was distorting the whole debate.

He was later 100% cleared, and everyone of his critics had to admit he was right and the study was true.

He is also named as one of the most influential persons on earth by Time Magazine


He is also gay :-D

D 07-12-2007 02:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KimJI (Post 12747728)
Fact is:
There are NO evidence CO2 emissions contribute to global warming
There's, literally, an entire planet of evidence: Venus. Look up "run-away greenhouse effect."

Quote:
Originally Posted by KimJI (Post 12747728)
Global warming do NOT cause more hurricanes or other extreme weather
Hurricanes are produced by low pressure areas (warmer = less lower pressure, if you missed that point in Physics 101) that are fed by the water vapor over the ocean that they evaporate. In simple speak, while warm pockets often create storms, if a "pocket" gets warm enough, it creates a hurricane. While I reckon that's far from proving anything, sounds like "global warming" could cause hurricanes to me, as warmth and our world's oceans put together are what creates hurricanes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by KimJI (Post 12747728)
The ice is not melting any different than it have been for more then 4000 years of RECORDED measuring
That's incorrect to say as fact. For the Fall semester, I wrote a research paper that analyzed the evidence in several peer-reviewed sources which discussed the loss of sea ice in the Northern part of the globe as it pertained to the habitat of the Polar Bear - a topic central to my paper... and after researching the subject from about 20 different sources written throughout the last 30 years, I can assure you that the science suggests that we're losing sea ice every year, and a lot more rapidly than most natural models would suggest. While it can, of course, be argued that it's no faster than would happen naturally, I think it's profoundly ignorant to present that opinion as a "fact" when the majority of evidence to be found suggests otherwise.

Quote:
Originally Posted by KimJI (Post 12747728)
The only reason for the current rice in temperature is the sun
No one can say that with any certainty, and I'd, personally, consider anyone that does someone who either has an agenda aside from raw science, or a feeble mind that lets others - who have the aforementioned agenda - do their thinking for them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by KimJI (Post 12747728)
Those are FACTS - you cant spin it no matter how hard you try
I believe I just at least brought each point into question without trying very hard at all. If you'd really like to educate yourself, try leaving the internet for a day, and spending some time in an actual library - the bigger the better - and read up on the subject. Doing so gives you a much more rounded view on any topic.

Quote:
Originally Posted by KimJI (Post 12747728)
But

Fossil fuel DO pollute - that is true, but that is a different debate apart from Global warming
Is it? In the same paper above I also discussed how man-made contaminates have been recently discovered in reproductive-affecting quantities in the liver of polar bears... thousands of miles away from where they're produced. If our contamination of the Planet Earth can affect an environment so far away, is it so hard to believe that it might be having an impact on the amount of radiation that passes through our atmosphere, as well?

Quote:
Originally Posted by KimJI (Post 12747728)
Its all about $$$$ - as always
I just took my time and responded to each of your points, and I don't believe I earned a single cent from doing so.

Sometimes it's not about the money.

Sometimes it's about taking responsibility... even if you're not 100% certain it's your fault.

KimJI 07-12-2007 02:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by D (Post 12748031)
There's, literally, an entire planet of evidence: Venus. Look up "run-away greenhouse effect."



Hurricanes are produced by low pressure areas (warmer = less lower pressure, if you missed that point in Physics 101) that are fed by the water vapor over the ocean that they evaporate. In simple speak, while warm pockets often create storms, if a "pocket" gets warm enough, it creates a hurricane. While I reckon that's far from proving anything, sounds like "global warming" could cause hurricanes to me, as warmth and our world's oceans put together are what creates hurricanes.



That's incorrect to say as fact. For the Fall semester, I wrote a research paper that analyzed the evidence in several peer-reviewed sources which discussed the loss of sea ice in the Northern part of the globe as it pertained to the habitat of the Polar Bear - a topic central to my paper... and after researching the subject from about 20 different sources written throughout the last 30 years, I can assure you that the science suggests that we're losing sea ice every year, and a lot more rapidly than most natural models would suggest. While it can, of course, be argued that it's no faster than would happen naturally, I think it's profoundly ignorant to present that opinion as a "fact" when the majority of evidence to be found suggests otherwise.



No one can say that with any certainty, and I'd, personally, consider anyone that does someone who either has an agenda aside from raw science, or a feeble mind that lets others - who have the aforementioned agenda - do their thinking for them.



I believe I just at least brought each point into question without trying very hard at all. If you'd really like to educate yourself, try leaving the internet for a day, and spending some time in an actual library - the bigger the better - and read up on the subject. Doing so gives you a much more rounded view on any topic.



Is it? In the same paper above I also discussed how man-made contaminates have been recently discovered in reproductive-affecting quantities in the liver of polar bears... thousands of miles away from where they're produced. If our contamination of the Planet Earth can affect an environment so far away, is it so hard to believe that it might be having an impact on the amount of radiation that passes through our atmosphere, as well?



I just took my time and responded to each of your points, and I don't believe I earned a single cent from doing so.

Sometimes it's not about the money.

Sometimes it's about taking responsibility... even if you're not 100% certain it's your fault.

Thanks for taking the time to write that reply.

You should have checked the Danish Meteorology study made about the same facts. They are also quoted in the book by Lomborg.

I dont use the internet as the only facts. Most of the internet is still "headlines" the facts are written in books and I do recommend you read Bjorn Lomborgs book or download some of his studies made public in PDF at http://www.lomborg.com/

Regarding the reproductive abilities of the polarbears. I believe facts have proven that pollution and stress from humans moving in on their turf, is the major reason. The same can be seen in any other bear-sort

chodadog 07-12-2007 02:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll (Post 12747518)
"The documentary states that volcanoes produce significantly more CO2 per year than humans (Durkin has subsequently admitted that this claim is wrong"

well, that's that
Well, no. That's not that. And this is the problem with the debate on climate change on both sides. It's full of half truths and omissions. In the 20th century, it's true that humans have put more CO2 into the atmosphere than volcanoes have, but historically, volcano CO2 output has dwarfed human CO2 output. Just one major volcano eruoption is enough to make human CO2 output look insignificant. How do you think the CO2 in our atmosphere got there in the first place? It's from volcanoes.

There was an interesting show on here last night where they interviewed the maker of the Great Global Warming Swindle and had a panel of experts from both sides to have a small debate and discussion. The thing that turns me off about proponents of man-made climate change is how militant they are. The vast majority of the experts from that side of the fence were angry. Just about rabid. Whereas most of the guys from the other side were very well spoken and didn't seem to see the issue as a personal insult to them when a peer disagreed with them.

One of the guys who does not believe in man-made climate change congratulated the host of the show for some hard-hitting questions that did point out flaws in The Great Global Warming Swindle, but said the problem was that the Al Gores of this world were not being put under the same microscope.

The host of the show replied with "So you don't think we should have put him under a microscope?" (talk about twisting the guy's words...)

And he replied with something along the lines of "Of course you should. But you need to put the hard questions to people like Al Gore too."

At which point the host basically laughed it off and said "Well when Al Gore is back in town we'll see about doing that."

The scientist then made a point about a previous interview where he soft talked a protagonist of man-made climate change and suggested re-interviewing him and the host quickly moved to another member of the panel.

aico 07-12-2007 03:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KimJI (Post 12747728)
But yet people chose to believe in Al gore - the man that could not even win against President Bush.
Actually, he did win. At least you got all your "facts". :1orglaugh

stickyfingerz 07-12-2007 03:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Player (Post 12747750)
Tell the shit you wrote above to a polar bear who is drowning because the ice caps are melting and his home is becoming sea.

Do it face to face so that he eats your dumb arse for being retarded and believing everything you see on TV.
That was a joke right? lol Polar bears can swim for 10 hours or more at a time, and over 60 miles per day.

stickyfingerz 07-12-2007 03:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aico (Post 12748268)
Actually, he did win. At least you got all your "facts". :1orglaugh
No he did not win, and he certainly did not win in his home state.

KimJI 07-12-2007 03:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aico (Post 12748268)
Actually, he did win. At least you got all your "facts". :1orglaugh
De dint become president, he lost the election - end of story

D 07-12-2007 04:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12748271)
That was a joke right? lol Polar bears can swim for 10 hours or more at a time, and over 60 miles per day.
I doubt he was.

Several cases of Polar bears having been found drowned as the sea ice pulls farther back have been discovered in the last few years, and published in peer-reviewed sources such as "Nature" as well as newspapers such as "The Washington Post" and news agencies such as ABC News

Aside from this obvious cause of harm to polar bears, there's also the fact that most of a Polar Bear's winter energy stores is gained via jumping from ice drift to ice drift fattening up on seals... something's that becoming less and less doable every year - meaning less stored fat, meaning less survivability and less milk production and reproductive success.

I think that it was incidents such as 4 drowned bears found in open water in 2004 that sparked the 3-year study that resulted in Polar Bears being declared an threatened species in January of this year.

As the San Francisco Chronicle put it - "the first mammal deemed in danger of extinction because of global warming."

DaddyHalbucks 07-12-2007 08:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12747514)
Global warming is a huge sham...
What he said.

:thumbsup

tony286 07-12-2007 09:06 PM
Everything Michael Moore says is lies but every asshole who says global warming is not trues its gospel.
Even if its total bullshit, is it so bad to drive more efficient cars, get off oil, breath cleaner air. Get solar installed in your home so you can tell the electric company to go fuck themselves.These things are bad? Also if Al Gore was so way off base he wouldn't be so attacked on a regular basis.I guess the sheep dont understand that.
Sticky and your righties buddies are brave here but pretty ball less on the threads how your right wing buddies have stuck to our industry again. Better hope your wife never gets laid off lol.

SPACE GLIDER 07-12-2007 09:07 PM
Oh I have no doubt that the goverment(s) lie about almost everything. But anyone who is awake can see that SOMETHING is going wrong on this planet. That slush that used to be the polar ice caps wasn't "faked" that's for sure.

KimJI 07-13-2007 12:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SPACE GLIDER (Post 12750147)
Oh I have no doubt that the goverment(s) lie about almost everything. But anyone who is awake can see that SOMETHING is going wrong on this planet. That slush that used to be the polar ice caps wasn't "faked" that's for sure.
"something" is not going on, just read the fucking scientific evidence fuck stain!

KimJI 07-13-2007 12:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 12750143)
Everything Michael Moore says is lies but every asshole who says global warming is not trues its gospel.
Even if its total bullshit, is it so bad to drive more efficient cars, get off oil, breath cleaner air. Get solar installed in your home so you can tell the electric company to go fuck themselves.These things are bad? Also if Al Gore was so way off base he wouldn't be so attacked on a regular basis.I guess the sheep dont understand that.
Sticky and your righties buddies are brave here but pretty ball less on the threads how your right wing buddies have stuck to our industry again. Better hope your wife never gets laid off lol.
no, I agree that its better to get more efficient cars, get off oil, breath cleaner air - I really do. And I think that can be achieved by lowering the price on energy sourced that don't pollute(as much)

But right now those prices are ricing due to the hype.

Pollution and Global warming are two different debates, since the core of this debate is that CO2 emission and Global warming in FACTS are not related

also, the development countries have no chance of following the emission standards, so they are basically fucked and forced to stay a development country, because they wont be allowed to be come industrialized

Ron2k1 07-13-2007 01:22 AM
Global warming caused by humans is a big hoax, climate is changing since the earth exist.

Ron2k1 07-13-2007 01:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SPACE GLIDER (Post 12750147)
Oh I have no doubt that the goverment(s) lie about almost everything. But anyone who is awake can see that SOMETHING is going wrong on this planet. That slush that used to be the polar ice caps wasn't "faked" that's for sure.
So why should I see something is "going wrong", what do you see what ! don't see when I look outside?

You have been indoctrinated by the global warming hoax.

Four thousands of years the climate has been changing.

macmark 07-13-2007 02:20 AM
No one talks about the fact other planets are getting warmer also:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1720024.ece

"Scientists from Nasa say that Mars has warmed by about 0.5C since the 1970s. This is similar to the warming experienced on Earth over approximately the same period."

Climate change is a religion, accept it or else. What I have a problem with, which also no one seems to mention....if Al Gore's movie is so important and the world would benefit from us all seeing it, why then does he charge £12.99 for it? surely if he cared he would make it available for FREE. Perhaps he cares more about his bank balance.

crockett 07-13-2007 02:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 12747792)
So how come when some degenerate from upstate new york (Dylan Avery) makes a fictional movie called "loose change" which is full of fallacy and cherry picking -it is trumpeted as THE "documentary" than exposes the 9/11 conspiracy...

Yet when someone does the same on the Global Warming issue, it's immediate dismissed.

I'll tell you why - It is socially acceptable to believe in 9/11 conspriacy but a social faux-pas to be against global warming.
You never heard me say anything about Loose change.. That move was as full of shit as much as this one is. Why would you even compare the two anyway?

You think just because some liberal idiot put out a stupid movie called loose change, that it's then ok to support a movie produced by a right wing nut job? The only thing they both have in common is they are both full of shit.

crockett 07-13-2007 02:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by macmark (Post 12751012)
No one talks about the fact other planets are getting warmer also:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1720024.ece

"Scientists from Nasa say that Mars has warmed by about 0.5C since the 1970s. This is similar to the warming experienced on Earth over approximately the same period."

Climate change is a religion, accept it or else. What I have a problem with, which also no one seems to mention....if Al Gore's movie is so important and the world would benefit from us all seeing it, why then does he charge £12.99 for it? surely if he cared he would make it available for FREE. Perhaps he cares more about his bank balance.
You ever hear of a movie theater that gives away free movies?" How many theaters do you think would show a movie that was free? Besides that any movie costs money to produce. Is he just supposed to work for free because you think he should?

Do you work for free?

Ron2k1 07-13-2007 02:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crockett (Post 12751038)
You never heard me say anything about Loose change.. That move was as full of shit as much as this one is. Why would you even compare the two anyway?

You think just because some liberal idiot put out a stupid movie called loose change, that it's then ok to support a movie produced by a right wing nut job? The only thing they both have in common is they are both full of shit.
I think you're missing his point, he just explains why it's called "not done" when someone doubts about the theory global warming is caused by humans.

crockett 07-13-2007 03:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron2k1 (Post 12751148)
I think you're missing his point, he just explains why it's called "not done" when someone doubts about the theory global warming is caused by humans.
Umm I don't know anyone with any comon sense that actually believed the crap in the movie Loose Change. You didn't see anyone in mainstream media supporting the movie lose change, because everyone knew it was a load of crap.

You can even look on the wikipedia page that this KimJ guy posted and read that scientist whom were quoted in the movie, said the film maker deliberately twisted their words to make his case. The guy cherry picked his evidence to push his agenda and I'm willing to bet big oil was behind the film's production.

It's pretty clear as day, that we are helping speed up global warming. I haven't seen a single valid case yet to disprove that man is not helping speed up the process.

Besides that all you have to do, is search on the net to see how much of this film has been proven incorrect. There really isn't an argument as far as that goes. All you have to do is look.

Ron2k1 07-13-2007 03:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crockett (Post 12751249)
Umm I don't know anyone with any comon sense that actually believed the crap in the movie Loose Change. You didn't see anyone in mainstream media supporting the movie lose change, because everyone knew it was a load of crap.

You can even look on the wikipedia page that this KimJ guy posted and read that scientist whom were quoted in the movie, said the film maker deliberately twisted their words to make his case. The guy cherry picked his evidence to push his agenda and I'm willing to bet big oil was behind the film's production.

It's pretty clear as day, that we are helping speed up global warming. I haven't seen a single valid case yet to disprove that man is not helping speed up the process.

Besides that all you have to do, is search on the net to see how much of this film has been proven incorrect. There really isn't an argument as far as that goes. All you have to do is look.
But how come global temperature has been going up and down for thousands of years allready?

I don't think everything in the film is correct, but I don't believe in any climate change caused by humans at all. It's simply unrealistic.

I do believe we need to be careful with the planet though.

KimJI 07-13-2007 03:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crockett (Post 12751249)
Umm I don't know anyone with any comon sense that actually believed the crap in the movie Loose Change. You didn't see anyone in mainstream media supporting the movie lose change, because everyone knew it was a load of crap.

You can even look on the wikipedia page that this KimJ guy posted and read that scientist whom were quoted in the movie, said the film maker deliberately twisted their words to make his case. The guy cherry picked his evidence to push his agenda and I'm willing to bet big oil was behind the film's production.

It's pretty clear as day, that we are helping speed up global warming. I haven't seen a single valid case yet to disprove that man is not helping speed up the process.

Besides that all you have to do, is search on the net to see how much of this film has been proven incorrect. There really isn't an argument as far as that goes. All you have to do is look.
I just don't get how you can disregard the evidence that its the sun activity that control the Global warming and not human activity.

Yes humans pollute, but that is a different matter. We are talking about global warming.

ServerGenius 07-13-2007 03:46 AM
Chodadog hit the hammer on the head. Politicians rape the whole climate problems because it's a great way to extort as much money as possible out
of the people and companies in their country......lot's of "facts" being blown
out of proportions and twisted so they fit the goal of hunting for money.

That contra side is using the same strategy to convince people that the
climate problems described by the politics are bullshit....

That said anyone who just looks at our climate today and really believes
there's nothing wrong with should get their heads examined.....or rather just
cut off......most of those are beyond repair anyway :1orglaugh

Ron2k1 07-13-2007 04:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ServerGenius (Post 12751458)

That said anyone who just looks at our climate today and really believes
there's nothing wrong with should get their heads examined.....or rather just
cut off......most of those are beyond repair anyway :1orglaugh
I don't see anything wrong with todays climate, what part of the climate you think is not right currently?

Why does everybody think the climate is something which should be same every year again and again?

There have always been cold and warm periods in earths history

biskoppen 07-13-2007 04:30 AM
There's no such thing as man caused global warming.. it's all the suns fault

ServerGenius 07-13-2007 04:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron2k1 (Post 12751687)
I don't see anything wrong with todays climate, what part of the climate you think is not right currently?

Why does everybody think the climate is something which should be same every year again and again?

There have always been cold and warm periods in earths history
I'm not going to argue with anyone.....if you think that everything humanity
is doing doesn't have ANY effect on the climate....then that's fine with me.
I'm fully aware that some things are just too much for everyone to grasp.

KimJI 07-13-2007 04:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ServerGenius (Post 12751720)
I'm not going to argue with anyone.....if you think that everything humanity
is doing doesn't have ANY effect on the climate....then that's fine with me.
I'm fully aware that some things are just too much for everyone to grasp.
Why is that noone can post any solid prove when they are trying to debunk this?

You say we need to have our head cut off, and yet you failed to put up a factual argument on the topic

ServerGenius 07-13-2007 04:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KimJI (Post 12751765)
Why is that noone can post any solid prove when they are trying to debunk this?

You say we need to have our head cut off, and yet you failed to put up a factual argument on the topic
I don't need to coz it's so obvious given the fact how much shit we burn on
a daily basis.....we KNOW that effects the O3 (Ozone) layers, whiping out
rain forests (Trees convert CO2 to O2 during the photosynthesis process.)

Trees ALSO vaporate huge amounts of water that which has a key effect
on air pressure cycles and rain.....

All this toghether then triggers natural causes that affect our climate to speed
up aswell starting off a chain reactions of events that speed up the whole process.

But again if you fail to understand that with EVERYTHING we humans do
NOTHING has an effect on our evironment then you're either plain ignorant
or just STUPID.

This shit doesn't need facts to understand it requires common sense. :2 cents:

ServerGenius 07-13-2007 04:51 AM
Ask Australians if they think the damage to our ozone layer isn't a problem that
we humans haven't got any kind of affect on. :1orglaugh

ServerGenius 07-13-2007 05:04 AM
you want some sauce to go with that foot? :winkwink:

KimJI 07-13-2007 05:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ServerGenius (Post 12751798)
I don't need to coz it's so obvious given the fact how much shit we burn on
a daily basis.....we KNOW that effects the O3 (Ozone) layers, whiping out
rain forests (Trees convert CO2 to O2 during the photosynthesis process.)

Trees ALSO vaporate huge amounts of water that which has a key effect
on air pressure cycles and rain.....

All this toghether then triggers natural causes that affect our climate to speed
up aswell starting off a chain reactions of events that speed up the whole process.

But again if you fail to understand that with EVERYTHING we humans do
NOTHING has an effect on our evironment then you're either plain ignorant
or just STUPID.

This shit doesn't need facts to understand it requires common sense. :2 cents:

Holes in the Ozone Layer do NOT wipe out
rain forests, what the hell is wrong with you?

In contradiction to popular belief, rainforests are not major consumers of carbon dioxide and like all mature forests are approximately carbon neutral.[3][4] Recent evidence suggests that the majority of rainforests are in fact net carbon emitters.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainforest

the rain forest WERE dying because people were cutting it down, and by that creating spreading deserts where the forest once were.

If there were global warming, there would be more rain-forest you get that part right?

The warmer it gets, the more moist the tropical areas will get, and a result in that the tropical zone will spread and thereby expanding the rain-forest

Humid air and warm water is a key factors to produce cyclones, that is true. But you need large temperature differences (hot air and waterwapors, moving in over cooler air on land)

But when you get global warming the temperature difference (which is needed for the large cyclones) will be LESS.

ServerGenius 07-13-2007 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by KimJI (Post 12751928)
Holes in the Ozone Layer do NOT wipe out
rain forests, what the hell is wrong with you?

In contradiction to popular belief, rainforests are not major consumers of carbon dioxide and like all mature forests are approximately carbon neutral.[3][4] Recent evidence suggests that the majority of rainforests are in fact net carbon emitters.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainforest

the rain forest WERE dying because people were cutting it down, and by that creating spreading deserts where the forest once were.

If there were global warming, there would be more rain-forest you get that part right?

The warmer it gets, the more moist the tropical areas will get, and a result in that the tropical zone will spread and thereby expanding the rain-forest

Humid air and warm water is a key factors to produce cyclones, that is true. But you need large temperature differences (hot air and waterwapors, moving in over cooler air on land)

But when you get global warming the temperature difference (which is needed for the large cyclones) will be LESS.
You missed the comma there sport.......Humans are whiping out rain forests...

regarding the cylcone argument....you are forgetting that the sea is warming
up as well......faster than over land......more cyclones :2 cents:

macmark 07-13-2007 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 12751076)
You ever hear of a movie theater that gives away free movies?" How many theaters do you think would show a movie that was free? Besides that any movie costs money to produce. Is he just supposed to work for free because you think he should?

Do you work for free?
who's talking about movie theatres? the movie is not in theatres anymore, he's now flogging the thing for £12.99.

I'm sure he's got enough money, give it away for free on the net.

KimJI 07-13-2007 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ServerGenius (Post 12751949)
You missed the comma there sport.......Humans are whiping out rain forests...

regarding the cylcone argument....you are forgetting that the sea is warming
up as well......faster than over land......more cyclones :2 cents:
Again, your statement is not backed by facts. The sea is NOT warming up faster than the land. And in fact if it was, it would cause even LESS cyclones since the water temperature would be closer to the land temperature, making it even harder for a cyclone to be created. It would just result in a lot of rain, and that is what we are seeing right now - More rain, and more will come.

But that is due to the sun heating up the earth, and NOT CO2

KimJI 07-13-2007 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 12751076)
You ever hear of a movie theater that gives away free movies?" How many theaters do you think would show a movie that was free? Besides that any movie costs money to produce. Is he just supposed to work for free because you think he should?

Do you work for free?

Are there no "public service" agreement in the US, where radio or TV have to make information like this accessible for free? We have that here in Europe, bu I thought the radio and TV stations in the US and the same responsibility

Ron2k1 07-13-2007 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ServerGenius (Post 12751798)

I don't need to coz it's so obvious given the fact how much shit we burn on
a daily basis.....we KNOW that effects the O3 (Ozone) layers,
We do burn too much in the air, but this doesn't need to affect climate

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whiping out rain forests (Trees convert CO2 to O2 during the photosynthesis process.)
Rain forests are dissapearing because of humans cutting them down, not because
of global warming

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Trees ALSO vaporate huge amounts of water that which has a key effect
on air pressure cycles and rain.....

All this toghether then triggers natural causes that affect our climate to speed
up aswell starting off a chain reactions of events that speed up the whole process.
This has nothing to do with global warming, it's not getting warmer because of less trees

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But again if you fail to understand that with EVERYTHING we humans do
NOTHING has an effect on our evironment then you're either plain ignorant
or just STUPID.
The most stupid people are those who are convinced about something without any proof or evidence

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This shit doesn't need facts to understand it requires common sense. :2 cents:
That's not common sense that's pure arrogance

ServerGenius 07-13-2007 05:46 AM
you are all right....I'm wrong let's burn some more shit...:1orglaugh

KimJI 07-13-2007 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ServerGenius (Post 12752132)
you are all right....I'm wrong let's burn some more shit...:1orglaugh
That is not the issue. The issue is that CO2 emissions is not the reason for global warming. We are debating weather or not Global warming is a result of increased CO2 emissions which is the general consensus, but facts prove its not.


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