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BoyAlley 07-12-2007 09:10 AM

New 2257 Regs Posted In Here! You Saw It From The Fag First! Lawds Mercy!
 
Here you go breeders, here you go.

Direct from the Federal Registry, the new 2257 regs!

New 2257 Regs

BoyAlley 07-12-2007 09:12 AM

17 pages long of new regs is teh sux bad.

This will take some time to digest.

BoyAlley 07-12-2007 09:13 AM

Also remember that these are PROPOSED regs that the public can write in and comment on so that they Government can ignore us first before turning them into actual law. :2 cents:

directfiesta 07-12-2007 09:16 AM

will read that while on the can .....

but I personally don't give a shit about foreign laws.

Shoehorn! 07-12-2007 09:16 AM

Any drastic changes or new things added since last time?

stickyfingerz 07-12-2007 09:18 AM

Ill wait to make any changes till they are law. :winkwink: Thanks for the update.

BoyAlley 07-12-2007 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoehorn! (Post 12746372)
Any drastic changes or new things added since last time?

A ton of them, yes. Here's the first I've come across so far:

Quote:

that producers of lascivious exhibition maintain records under section 2257
The new regs specifically includes COMPLETELY CLOTHED individuals that are posing in a sexually suggestive manner.

Also now includes simulated, not just actual, sexually explicit conduct.

CaptainHowdy 07-12-2007 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 12746394)
The new regs specifically includes COMPLETELY CLOTHED individuals that are posing in a sexually suggestive manner.

:1orglaugh... Now seriously...

GatorB 07-12-2007 09:22 AM

"In addition, by confirming that the statute and
regulations apply to ``secondary producers,'' the revised proposed rule
will make it more difficult for the purveyors of such material to
access the market."

GatorB 07-12-2007 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 12746394)
A ton of them, yes. Here's the first I've come across so far:



The new regs specifically includes COMPLETELY CLOTHED individuals that are posing in a sexually suggestive manner.

Also now includes simulated, not just actual, sexually explicit conduct.


So does that mean HBO has to have 2257 docs for every movie it shows?

leedsfan 07-12-2007 09:25 AM

so basically every page with a sexual image on must now have the 2257 full information on it, as opposed to a 2257 link.

Man, that's going to be tough.

BoyAlley 07-12-2007 09:25 AM

Quote:

The proposed rule requires, per the statute, that the statement describing
the location of the records required by this part be affixed to every
page of a Web site (controlled by the producer) on which visual
depictions of sexually explicit conduct appear.
Apparently they're now saying that putting a link marked "18 U.S.C. 2257 Record-Keeping Requirements
Compliance Statement." on each of your pages, that goes to a page that has the address of where your records are, is no longer good enough.

They now want your name and address on EVERY PAGE that sexually explicit conduct appears?

IllTestYourGirls 07-12-2007 09:26 AM

This is exactly why Ron Paul needs to be elected. I don't see how an adult webmaster could vote for anyone else.

IllTestYourGirls 07-12-2007 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 12746425)
Apparently they're now saying that putting a link marked "18 U.S.C. 2257 Record-Keeping Requirements
Compliance Statement." on each of your pages, that goes to a page that has the address of where your records are, is no longer good enough.

They now want your name and address on EVERY PAGE that sexually explicit conduct appears?

Finally I can stalk those sexy models! YES! Ill add that I'm sarcastic...

BoyAlley 07-12-2007 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 12746412)
So does that mean HBO has to have 2257 docs for every movie it shows?


No, there appear to be exceptions that are specifically written exclude hollywood from the regs.

Tom_PM 07-12-2007 09:28 AM

One definition of lascivious says: arousing sexual desire

Now how in the hell can you tell what arouses my sexual desire? lol

So if you post pics that arouse me, you better have docs. Or something.

IllTestYourGirls 07-12-2007 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 12746437)
One definition of lascivious says: arousing sexual desire

Now how in the hell can you tell what arouses my sexual desire? lol

So if you post pics that arouse me, you better have docs. Or something.

the word "hell" just sexually stimulated my pee-pee

GatorB 07-12-2007 09:29 AM

(g) Records are not required to be maintained by either a primary
producer or by a secondary producer for a visual depiction of sexually
explicit conduct that consists only of lascivious exhibition of the genitals or
pubic area of a person, and contains no other sexually explicit
conduct, whose original production date was prior to July 27, 2006.

Now if you don't maintian the records how are you going to prove to the feds that the material was made before July 27, 2006?

BoyAlley 07-12-2007 09:30 AM

Quote:

it
clarifies that primary producers may redact non-essential information
from copies of records provided to secondary producers, including
addresses, phone numbers, social security numbers, and other
information not necessary to confirm the name and age of the performer.
However, the identification number of the picture identification card
presented to confirm name and age--such as drivers' license number or
passport number--may not be redacted, so that its validity may be
confirmed.

Redacted docs OK for secondary producers so long as it contains the above info.

IllTestYourGirls 07-12-2007 09:31 AM

ok just making this clear, these are PROPOSED right? Not law yet.

GatorB 07-12-2007 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 12746435)

No, there appear to be exceptions that are specifically written exclude hollywood from the regs.

Why? I would think that a movie like "Not Another Teen Movie" would fall right into this. Adults pretending to be teens engaging in simulated sexual behavior? Um that doesn't apply?

BoyAlley 07-12-2007 09:31 AM

Live content producers MUST record PART of each live performance and maintain it:

Quote:

the proposed rule clarifies that producers of visual
depictions performed live on the Internet need not maintain a copy of
the full running-time of every such depiction. Rather, they may
maintain a copy that contains running-time sufficient to identify each
and every performer in the depiction and associate each and every
performer with the records needed to confirm his or her age.

ServerGenius 07-12-2007 09:31 AM

EXODUS.....movement of the porn people! Ohooooh-oh-oh

GatorB 07-12-2007 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 12746463)
ok just making this clear, these are PROPOSED right? Not law yet.

No these are the new rules.

BoyAlley 07-12-2007 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 12746464)
Why? I would think that a movie like "Not Another Teen Movie" would fall right into this. Adults pretending to be teens engaging in simulated sexual behavior? Um that doesn't apply?

No because it's mainstream hollywood and there are mainstream hollywood exceptions. :2 cents:

NinjaSteve 07-12-2007 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12746379)
Ill wait to make any changes till they are law. :winkwink: Thanks for the update.

Sounds like a good plan

Tom_PM 07-12-2007 09:33 AM

So a girl posing nude, spreading etc in pics I bought years ago require no documentation? Not too shabby. Unless I missed something.

Good question though GatorB.. I suppose you'd better file and save the receipts, and content licenses which you normally sign and date anyway.

BoyAlley 07-12-2007 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 12746472)
No these are the new rules.


No these are PROPOSED rules. There's a period of public comment now before they're entered into law.

GatorB 07-12-2007 09:35 AM

DATES: Written comments must be received by September 10, 2007.

ADDRESSES: Written comments may be submitted to: Andrew Oosterbaan,
Chief, Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section, Criminal Division,
United States Department of Justice, Washington, DC 20530; Attn:
``Docket No. CRM 104.''
Comments may be submitted electronically to: [email protected]
or to http://www.regulations.gov by using the electronic comment form provided

on that site. Comments submitted electronically must include Docket No.
CRM 104 in the subject box. You may also view an electronic version of
this rule at the http://www.regulations.gov site.

So write them. Not that it will do any good.

GatorB 07-12-2007 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 12746482)

No these are PROPOSED rules. There's a period of public comment now before they're entered into law.

Yes I know.

IllTestYourGirls 07-12-2007 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 12746482)

No these are PROPOSED rules. There's a period of public comment now before they're entered into law.

Then I guess people should start commenting. Have an address to make such comments?...oops thanks Gator

BoyAlley 07-12-2007 09:36 AM

Other than clarifying the foreign ID muck, that seems to be about it as far as I can tell.

Basically it just confirms that secondary producers are now as fucked as primary producers, and adds some more stupid unnecessary crap like having to put our address on EVERY SINGLE PAGE that a sexually explicit depiction appears instead of just using a link, that live cam houses have to record "part" of the performance, and that now even fully clothed people might be covered by 2257, etc. etc.

Sucks bad.

Compdoctor 07-12-2007 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 12746435)

No, there appear to be exceptions that are specifically written exclude hollywood from the regs.

That makes it unconstitutional under the bill or rights. you know where it talks about Equal Protection




but then, Bush is still in office.

IllTestYourGirls 07-12-2007 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Compdoctor (Post 12746502)
That makes it unconstitutional under the bill or rights. you know where it talks about Equal Protection




but then, Bush is still in office.

Free to go fuck yourselves! Really Ron Paul 2008!

GatorB 07-12-2007 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 12746478)
So a girl posing nude, spreading etc in pics I bought years ago require no documentation? Not too shabby. Unless I missed something.

Nope. How can they expect you do have records of something when it wasn't required or even proposed to be required when you obtained the material? That's why porn movies made before 1990 don't have to have 2257 info.

Quote:

Good question though GatorB.. I suppose you'd better file and save the receipts, and content licenses which you normally sign and date anyway.
Well it doesn't matter WHEN you bought them. It matters when the content was origanally produced. Obviously if you bought it before July 27, 2006 then it was produced then.

ilbb 07-12-2007 09:41 AM

Quote:

The new regs specifically includes COMPLETELY CLOTHED individuals that are posing in a sexually suggestive manner.
That's crazy, will I need 2257 info for teasing pictures like these?

http://static.flickr.com/91/265440169_7a805b4a59_o.jpg

IllTestYourGirls 07-12-2007 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilbb (Post 12746522)
That's crazy, will I need 2257 info for teasing pictures like these?

http://static.flickr.com/91/265440169_7a805b4a59_o.jpg

YES! Their fucking ankles are showing! super sexy makes me hard! :thumbsup

GatorB 07-12-2007 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 12746495)
Other than clarifying the foreign ID muck, that seems to be about it as far as I can tell.

Basically it just confirms that secondary producers are now as fucked as primary producers, and adds some more stupid unnecessary crap like having to put our address on EVERY SINGLE PAGE that a sexually explicit depiction appears instead of just using a link, that live cam houses have to record "part" of the performance, and that now even fully clothed people might be covered by 2257, etc. etc.

Sucks bad.

Yes and that's YOUR address not he address of the original producer as 99% of people that have 2257 links on their sites do.

So if you do this out of your home and then your REAL name and your REAL address and your REAL phone number needs to be listed.

Tom_PM 07-12-2007 09:43 AM

Quote:

The proposed rule requires, per the statute, that the statement describing
the location of the records required by this part be affixed to every
page of a Web site (controlled by the producer) on which visual
depictions of sexually explicit conduct appear.
"affixed"? Is linking "affixing"? Why not?

How about a mouseover tooltip ballon? It's in the code, it's on the page, it's affixed isn't it? hmmmm..

leedsfan 07-12-2007 09:46 AM

thats the way i read it. I'll give you more feedback in a couple of hours, as we're having a legal panel here at the show to discuss this very issue in detail

BoyAlley 07-12-2007 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 12746536)
Yes and that's YOUR address not he address of the original producer as 99% of people that have 2257 links on their sites do.

So if you do this out of your home and then your REAL name and your REAL address and your REAL phone number needs to be listed.

That's correct, a secondary producer is required by law to maintain and cross reference all records in the same way that a primary producer is, and the secondary producer's address must be on EVERY page of EVERY site that they own, and secondary producers must be available 20 hours per week at that location for inspection.

Tom_PM 07-12-2007 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leedsfan (Post 12746554)
thats the way i read it. I'll give you more feedback in a couple of hours, as we're having a legal panel here at the show to discuss this very issue in detail

Perfect! :thumbsup

jigga 07-12-2007 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 12746561)
That's correct, a secondary producer is required by law to maintain and cross reference all records in the same way that a primary producer is, and the secondary producer's address must be on EVERY page of EVERY site that they own, and secondary producers must be available 20 hours per week at that location for inspection.

wow eh, if this passes than there will be a ton of US webmasters closing up shop.

Tom_PM 07-12-2007 09:49 AM

Affixing is attaching. So what is linking? Seems to me it would be attaching one page to another, but I'm no lawyer! It'll all shake out.

BoyAlley 07-12-2007 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 12746539)
"affixed"? Is linking "affixing"? Why not?

How about a mouseover tooltip ballon? It's in the code, it's on the page, it's affixed isn't it? hmmmm..

It specifically excludes the use of "pop-ups" and "links" and specifically states that your name and address must appear on each page of the site where there's explicit material.

jonesonyou 07-12-2007 09:50 AM

Good thing the Intern is in the office today. The Job of the Intern is to read this to me and make the necessary changes. Thanks for the headsup.

GatorB 07-12-2007 09:51 AM

Fuck these bullshit rules. I hope someone sues the government after this is all passed( and you kow it will be ) and ties this is court for years like COPA. No way secondary prodcuers should have to keep records.

Ok so say Scene 1 from Ass Fucked BIATCHES #87 is on 1000 sites. Why would the government bother checking 1000 sites who had NOTHING to do with making of this movie, when it would be easier to check the records of the ORGINAL PRODUCER who actually made the product in the first place? Seems like an incredible waste of time, manpower and money.

BoyAlley 07-12-2007 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonesonyou (Post 12746580)
Good thing the Intern is in the office today. The Job of the Intern is to read this to me and make the necessary changes. Thanks for the headsup.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

ilbb 07-12-2007 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jigga (Post 12746572)
wow eh, if this passes than there will be a ton of US webmasters closing up shop.

Yep, if I was US webmaster I would rather go work to MCDonald.

Tom_PM 07-12-2007 09:52 AM

Like if I mouseover the yellow "New Thread" button and it shows the alt text balloon saying "Post New Thread", thats a "pop-up"? No wayyyy arghhhhhh


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