Sicko, I saw it...My opinion on it!
 

Thumbs up! :thumbsup

There's 2 things I refuse to talk about or voice my opinion on, Religion and politics. However I will make an exception...This movie was a master piece! A harsh look at reality.

Sicko boldly and brilliantly challenges entrenched American attitudes about capitalism. Although some scenes are devastatingly heartbreaking and may bring you to tears (I'm a huge suck), Moore's sense of humour and ability to entertain are as strong as ever. He often combines laughter and tragedy in the same scene. While Moore always wears his views on his sleeve, he also takes a step back to let people tell their stories or allows historical clips to speak for themselves(those are FACTS). In the case of Richard Nixon, Moore happily says almost nothing, letting the former president be condemned completely by his own words.

The climax was a trip to Cuba. Moore is often criticized for exaggerating or manipulating facts, but there is always so much truth at the heart of his films. Sicko shows Moore at his very best.

I'm hoping this will open eyes of people who have the power to make changes! :2 cents:

I think I'll go eat a pizza now. That post made me hungry.

Yeah I'm really looking forward to this one... though I don't know why.. it's just going to make me smack my own forehead and feel like everything's going down the drain and there's nothing I can do about it lol

Saw it and enjoyed it. As long as you don't treat the film like a documentary its worth watching.

Um, it is a documentary. :1orglaugh

those that have the power to make changes- want no changes - they have everything

Why do Canadians always think Moore is always right?

No it isn't. He's pitching his own biased opinion which excludes it from the documentary label. You can't editorialize a subject and call it a documentary. :thumbsup

No it works with an issue that exist but there are used fictive situations and the issue is not looked at objectively.

Hence it is not a documentary - or at least not a good one.

but it's a good movie that enlighten some real interesting things.

Actually that's not true. What the ruling class does not have is the majority, even though they pretend that they do. The numbers will at some point prevail and to a certain extent we are beginning to experience that in China.

Why do Republicans always think he is so wrong?

Look he has an opinion. Obliviously he is one sided this is what makes the movie interesting. Take both sides of the story and make up your own opinion. The truth is somewhere in the middle :2 cents:

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when Castro got sick they brought a Dr in from Spain... that should sum up Cuba medical for ya....

Is that really a hard question to answer?

I think a better question is why Americans don't appreciate what he is doing to raise awareness on very important issues, preferring instead to fight to the bitter end supporting a system that has obvious flaws that affect millions of citizens in the very country that claims to be the leader of the free world.

I guess it is since you have not seen fit to answer the question.

You need to contact these people urgently, to let them know of their mistake :

http://www.google.ca/search?q=sicko&...ient=firefox-a
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0386032/
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809723348/info
Sicko Is Socko - TIME
Richard Corliss takes a look at Michael Moore's latest, controversial documentary
http://movies.aol.com/movie/sicko/26778/main


Geeez, all this idiots are wrong calling it a " documentary " ...:1orglaugh

Baddog is speaking on behalf of all the Ann Coulters out there. hahaha

Laughing at that just means you've never read a history book. That's fine with me, laugh all you want.

um, ok....Canadians identify with Michael Moore because his views are in line with what the majority of Canadians believe. I'm surprised you didn't notice that the Euros agree with what he has to say too.

As a Canadian, I often find Michael Moore a little overdone and a little too much into grandstanding. That being said, I most often tend to agree with his positions, and I tend to feel similar "outrage" as he seems to have for things.

His opinions and views don't match most Americans, which is sort of why Americans should pay more attention. Sad to say, but America isn't always right. Perhaps considering another point of view would be a good idea once in a while?

And you are speaking on behalf of the Funbrunette's out there?

So, it is your contention that human rights in China are improving significantly?

So, it is your contention that human rights in China are improving significantly?

what is this question supposed to mean?

Ie: what are you implying?

What has michael moore said that you would disagree with? Socialized healthcare? It isn't a new prospect, and done right, it can significantly increase the standard of living for basically everyone.

I find it odd that people keep on forgetting that the poor always significantly outnumber the rich. It is a very dangrous thing to forget.

No, not at all. China is not concerned with human rights at this juncture. They are concerned with progress and nothing more just as the western states once were as well. My point is that numbers are power...China is a good example of this and so is (to a lesser extent) what was experienced in the 60's in the Haight-Ashbury area of SF. Not to mention all of the examples in Africa and South America.

I already said that in this thread :thumbsup

the problem is the people who have the power to change things won't.....they're
benefiting from the system as it is else nobody would be interested in work in
politics

Now you have piqued my interest. What do you know about Haight-Ashbury in the '60's? Were you there?

I was laughing at your comment that "The numbers will at some point prevail and to a certain extent we are beginning to experience that in China."

Just how many numbers do they need to reach before they will prevail?

What the hell you gonna treat it like then?

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Oh, good comeback :(

I dig on the flick, too.. it opened my eyes, and flipped my view on the state of healthcare in the U.S.

American't aren't impotant in this regard. Check out the candidates coming up next year - a good deal of them touch on healthcare in some regard.

Personally, I think John Edwards is the man best positioned to bring real change to this country - especially when it comes to healthcare... but go with what you feel.

It was an interesting flick, obviously a bit biased, but worth seeing...

I was not even alive during the 60's but have read about it. I don't think it is necessary to have experienced something first hand to understand it and to learn from it. My point is that prior to the hippie movement the area had a lot of crime and was a poorer area. When the hippies took over the area, violence dropped to almost zero and money started to come in through tourists. Now the area is obviously somewhat of a historic tourist trap because of the influx of a larger group of people.

I don't think there is an exact number that will determine success or failure in China. But I think the fact that China currently has roughly 1 billion more people (and represents about 20% of the world population) that in the US speaks volumes for what they are capable of doing now that they are focused on growth and economic prosperity.

Oh man . . . I don't even know where to begin. Suffice it to say, you don't know WTF you are talking about.

i can't wait to see this movie.
when my sister comes down to visit we're all going.

The funny part is they all cry about MM when there is over 2000 hours a week of right wing radio tv on a week.

Why do porn webmasters love Michael Moore? He is on dope just like you, thats why.

If Canadians had one voice, they would have one party, you fucking Communist.

Yeah yeah yeah. G F Y man.

We have enough assholes and morons on gfy already. Please go find another home.

Ah yes, and now the Dems want to censor radio by the fairness doctrine or whatever they call it. You always say Bush limits your freedoms - what about the the fairness doctrine?

Why are their 2000 hrs per week (as you say) on radio? Because people want to listen to it, the shows have good ratings and advertisers pay to sustain the shows.

Why can't there be a self sufficient democrat on the radio? I guess no one wants to listen to it. If you are a dem and disagree with Rush or any of the others call them up. Tell them you are a democrat and they will more than likely put you right on the air. That is my understanding of fairness and not censorship.

Seconded.

I have no problem with the right wing radio ( or TV ).... or the quantuty of it.

On the beach, I prefer to listen to Rush then a boring liberal ... On TV, Bill and Sean make me laugh ... and I can't miss an Ann Coulter appereance ( tough Michelle Malkin is trying to pull the rug from under her feet )...

It is way more fun, shocking, absurd and stupid ... that sells ....

But it still all remains a bunch of crap and/or lies ... but FUN !!!!

Why not ask one and find out?

You don't think it would be more interesting if he presented both sides?

I saw the new Michael Moore Documentary on our health care system, it's been made widely available on the internet and I had heard a lot of buzz and decided to check it out.

The first thing to me was that this is an obvious ploy to make universal heathcare a factor in the next presidential election, Moore is pals with Hillary and Universal Healthcare was her pet project early in Clinton's first administration.

While Moore's movie is certainly less than objective you can't argue the mans talent for making documentaries and some of his points certainly hit their mark while others are a far cry from truthful.

The way Moore presents it Americans would be better off going to Cuba for healthcare, that is simply not true and it should be noted that Cubans go to different hospitals than do the visitors to Cuba and while the healthcare in Cuba is free there have been far more accurate documentaries made about the Cuban Healthcare System and the atrocities therein.

More accurately portrayed are the insurance companies, who we all know, do everything possible to keep from paying a claim, but one thing that he didn't get into is the discrepancy in pricing. Take me for example. I'm currently covered by a corporate policy that was obtained for me by a family member through her employer. The policy costs 210.00 per month and includes vision care and dental. When I called the same company asking for the same exact coverage my cost would have been 860.00 per month with no vision or dental care. Why is there such a huge discrepency in pricing? And don't give me that "group policy" bullshit why can't Americans be a group?

Thats where our government probably needs to look if we want to solve the healthcare crisis. I know I for one can think of precious few things that the government does well, why would I want to entrust them with the most important thing to me, my health?

I recently had major surgery and when I think about that and think that about our public school system, our postal service, the social security administration and the "war on drugs" it makes me cringe to think what kind of neurosurgeon I might have gotten. When I needed complicated neurosurgery I got the best of the best in Atlanta.

When I spoke with my Canadian friends, one of whom works in IT in Canadian hospitals I got a story that sounded very similar. He said one of the ongoing problems in Canada was people going to emergency rooms for problems that aren't emergencies. They do it there because it's convenient. We have the same problem here but for a different reason. Despite what Michael Moore would have you believe you cannot be turned away from a public hospital here in America, only a private one. Lot's o people know this and take advantage of it knowing they will never have to pay, so when little Leroy gets the croup, mom takes him to the emergency room of the nearest public hospital where he gets treated for free for a non emergency.

Most Canadians are perfectly happy with their healthcare until it's something that is life threatening and complicated, at that point most would prefer to see an American Doctor. But there's a reason for that, it seems that lots of American Hospitals,both public and private lure away the best of Canada's Doctors further diluting the quality of highly skilled specialists.

And maybe therein lies the solution to America's healthcare crisis (yes I admit there is one) maybe the day to day care and pharmacueticals can be handled by a federal or state system and catastrophic healthcare insurance can cover the medical catastrophies. Of course we obviously can't trust the insurance companies to play fair so I guess we again have to entrust the government to help us manage these beasts. Of course this would be the same government whom the insurance company lobbyists have in their pockets, bringing us managed health care and HMOs.

It would seem that it never ends, but it will end. When enough Americans get invloved and upset enough we eventually frighten our legislatures away from the money trees, look what we did with Bush's immigration reform. In only a couple of monthswe turned him into a lame duck president, his priority domestic agenda was killed by his own party.

Another thing that Mr Moore would have you belive is that life expectancy of a nation somehow relates to the quality of it's healthcare. Simply not true. The French live longer because they have better diets, ditto the Japanese, Canadians and most everyone else he mentioned. They don't feed their kids McDonalds for every meal and they don't keep them in the house playing video games. Yet.

Our problem is largely that as Americans we have become lazy, we have allowed our government to run rough shod over our liberties, we have allowed this petty wannabe dictator named George Bush Jr to strip away freedom that our forebearers paid for with their lives.

If we have a healthcare crisis in this country it is up to us to solve, and we will have to become active in that solution, simply waiting on our government to bestow it upon us is going to get us exactly what we would deserve.

And well, it just makes me sick.

Yet you never ever present FACTS to sway anyone in your opinion or thoughts. You just give vague cop out ill informed answers. Your ignorance reeks through your posts.

You say Brad doesn't know what he is talking about, ok let us know the facts why he doesn't know what he is talking about.

That's your opinion. I myself subscribe to the theory that we can learn from the past. When hundreds of thousands descended on SF during the 60's they were able to uproot a community and claim it as their own. This is proof that there are power in numbers. I'm not sure what aspect of this you are disagreeing with me on? Perhaps it was because I did not witness it first hand, or maybe it is not an example you identify with I'm not sure. I could easily draw examples from coups in South America or Africa, or strikes on this continent. You are quite wrong to assume that I don't know what I am talking about, you just fail to understand the connection I am making here.

How about the fact that I was there?

How about the fact that Haight-Ashbury lasted about three years before it became worse than it had ever been?

How about the fact that the tourists never got out of their fucking cars when they drove thru the Haight? The only money they spent there was the occasional quarter when they would buy a Haight-Ashbury Free Press or Berkley Barb from one of the hippies hawking them on every street corner.

Good enough?

I liked everything that you said but this. You should also be taking into consideration that both the Japanese and French smoke a lot more than we do in North America, so there is more to it than just diet.

Oh, and I'm not sure if you heard but Massachusetts is pushing for a form of universal health care by basically forcing residents to get insurance. They are planning on fining anyone who does not have insurance and also helping to lower the cost for insurance for individuals and getting companies to insure their full time employees. If memory serves they are planning to get this going by the end of the year. California and other states are watching in anticipation because if it is successful they are going to implement similar models.