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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-03-2007 02:59 PM

Torrent traffic...
 
Whats the big crime in it.

Plzzze explaine?

polish_aristocrat 07-03-2007 03:00 PM

Aalien is back

sig spot !

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-03-2007 03:03 PM

Dude yer fucking sig is for sale...

Umm...

Oh yeah Polish, gotcha...

Juilan 07-03-2007 03:03 PM

The Alien has landed.

KimJI 07-03-2007 03:04 PM

Torrent is great. Im setting up www.torrentprofit.com next week. Gonna make all those torrentsite owners RICH

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-03-2007 03:06 PM

Srsly I am trying to figure out why it's a crime to deal with torrent traffic.

That seems to be the latest cross to crucify people on and I do not understand why.

RawAlex 07-03-2007 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 12698816)
Srsly I am trying to figure out why it's a crime to deal with torrent traffic.

That seems to be the latest cross to crucify people on and I do not understand why.


There is nothing wrong. Torrent traffic, toolbar traffic, and bulk spam from zombie computers are all very valid ways to make money.

fris 07-03-2007 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 12698816)
Srsly I am trying to figure out why it's a crime to deal with torrent traffic.

That seems to be the latest cross to crucify people on and I do not understand why.

they post full paysite content, you figure it costs thousands of dollars to shoot it, they give it away for free, and they pay for their bandwidth by promote aff, etc.

tony286 07-03-2007 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fris (Post 12698832)
they post full paysite content, you figure it costs thousands of dollars to shoot it, they give it away for free, and they pay for their bandwidth by promote aff, etc.

Alien knows this he shot content, he must just need to up his post count. lol

Xenophage 07-03-2007 03:16 PM

Go Go Alien Gadget, its been a long time since we have shared a laugh together.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-03-2007 03:20 PM

Torrent is a protocal that has been around since 2001.
Its nothing new and very akin to News Groups.

These are things that all webmasters have had to deal with since the very beginning practically. The technology is basically a pillar of the internet function.

Piracy can be stopped by vigilant content providers, while on the other hand it is an invaluable tool to market content to actually generate sales.

Thats always been my thoughts on the matter.

In the past I have taken massive amounts of content given to me by a program put info on the content like a domain and drove traffic to a portal domain that then relagated traffic to the programs in turn. Keep in mind they were just clips not full length movies. But if I could even get a full length movie to stamp out and drive traffic with I would do it.

And wrong tony404. I have worked in torrent traffic. To a degree one can get soem good results with it, just like news groups on occasion. Torrent traffic is no adaptation effort to something new. Its a way old school method to makin a buck.

JD 07-03-2007 03:25 PM

i'd hit it!

Xenophage 07-03-2007 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR (Post 12698928)
i'd hit it!

I woudl hit it twice but only just a little bit

stickyfingerz 07-03-2007 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 12698905)
Torrent is a protocal that has been around since 2001.
Its nothing new and very akin to News Groups.

These are things that all webmasters have had to deal with since the very beginning practically. The technology is basically a pillar of the internet function.

Piracy can be stopped by vigilant content providers, while on the other hand it is an invaluable tool to market content to actually generate sales.

Thats always been my thoughts on the matter.

In the past I have taken massive amounts of content given to me by a program put info on the content like a domain and drove traffic to a portal domain that then relagated traffic to the programs in turn. Keep in mind they were just clips not full length movies. But if I could even get a full length movie to stamp out and drive traffic with I would do it.

And wrong tony404. I have worked in torrent traffic. To a degree one can get soem good results with it, just like news groups on occasion. Torrent traffic is no adaptation effort to something new. Its a way old school method to makin a buck.

Shhh there is no money in torrent traffic.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-03-2007 03:43 PM

There is no money in Torrent traffic, or email traffic, or SEO traffic, solo girl sites, trash DVD sites nor even content.

All it takes is good ways to squeeze a lemon these days.

tehHinjew 07-03-2007 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KimJI (Post 12698797)
Torrent is great. Im setting up www.torrentprofit.com next week. Gonna make all those torrentsite owners RICH

oogletorrent.com is for sale, got a good price, its yours!

Matt 26z 07-03-2007 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 12698816)
That seems to be the latest cross to crucify people on and I do not understand why.

Every few months the GFY keyboard warriors come up with a new campaign. Currently they are on torrent sites. This will blow over just like all the others and they will still be losers, having never accomplished a damn thing, ever, with any of their GFY drama campaigns.

xxxfuzion 07-03-2007 03:53 PM

Just think a bit...
Who visits torrent sites? Imho all those who DON'T want to pay for content/services/etc.
Leechers...useless traffic...

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-03-2007 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxfuzion (Post 12699086)
Just think a bit...
Who visits torrent sites? Imho all those who DON'T want to pay for content/services/etc.
Leechers...useless traffic...

Thats not true at all.
It's no different than an MGP or TGP.

People want shit for free and they get everything for free anyways.
However whats important to realise is why do people still get sales?

I know why...
Just keep in mind people get this shit free anyways off MGP's TGP's yeah Torrent sites and free sites, EMails, Join4Free sites...

Why do they keep buying?
THe DVD and VHS porn guys had the same "Problem" yet DVD's kept selling.
You can get live shows for free as well, tons of them.

And people still buy...

madawgz 07-03-2007 04:04 PM

any torrent site owners feel free to hit me up and ill make you more money than any of your sponsors

120594593
madawg at gmail dot com

Matt 26z 07-03-2007 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxfuzion (Post 12699086)
Just think a bit...
Who visits torrent sites? Imho all those who DON'T want to pay for content/services/etc.
Leechers...useless traffic...

Yeah, that's why the same companies advertise week after week and month after month. They just like blowing their advertising budget, right?

xxxfuzion 07-03-2007 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 12699123)
Yeah, that's why the same companies advertise week after week and month after month. They just like blowing their advertising budget, right?

That's another thing...companies are advertising on a torrent (warez/illegal) site?
Hmm...:eek7

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-03-2007 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxfuzion (Post 12699161)
That's another thing...companies are advertising on a torrent (warez/illegal) site?
Hmm...:eek7

So what? It's an avenue of traffic.
The violators of copyright are the problem while Copyright holder's are not following up on thier own responsibility of maintaining the integrety of there content. In short...

Copyright holder's are just as at fault as those that steal content and illegally post it on torrent sites.

Just recently a company paid a hefty price for content violation, the tools and instruments to enforce copyright are available and even better than ever with new technologies available on the net. Right now.

tony286 07-03-2007 04:33 PM

I say bullshit people are not advertising there because of profitability its because most think if they dont they are missing out. Especially when you consider the avg BT user is probably 15 yrs old and if not they are looking for free shit. They see a trailer of something interesting, they then go to a torrent search engine to find more for free not the site to pull out their credit card. How many here saw sicko for free will now go and pay please.lol Q if BT traffic was so great why are you broke all the time?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-03-2007 04:35 PM

Fact is many content providers themselves use there own content to promote there own projects for further sales on torrent sites.

I have done it myself with my own content.
Not full length movies per say but nice little chunks just to push traffic.

All I am saying is that there are legit method's to using torrent sites, sure people steal and repost and it goes like vapor in the netosphere but thats what viral marketing is all about. It is the choice of content provider's to catch perpetraitors and see to it that enforcement of copyright is followed through.

Big fucking money is made by people that enforce copyright.

HUGEEEEE!

AtlantisCash 07-03-2007 04:37 PM

that was the greatest post of these days on gfy, even though some morons think they know everything.

i don't have even 1 torrent site by the way, but i believe that if You can't stop it then try to manage it.

Hi stickyfingerz btw, i hope You understand what i want to say.

Regards.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-03-2007 04:41 PM

So on that tip...
I blame the content providers for not securing thier own content integrety, I mean shit one can goto a Torrent provider find there content and maybe just maybe drop a bomb suit on the situation.

It really is not that hard to enforce copyright.
Perfect10, Falconfoto and many other companies that pursue copyright violation have a great business model. Sure it's shitty but none the less stealing content is shitty as well, but not enforcing copyright is just as much the crime.

However 9 times out of 10 you will find what is initially thought as stolen content follow the trail and learn that the content was legitamatly posted with the intention of generating revenue promotion or buzz.

Thats the surprise.

tony286 07-03-2007 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 12699221)
So on that tip...
I blame the content providers for not securing thier own content integrety, I mean shit one can goto a Torrent provider find there content and maybe just maybe drop a bomb suit on the situation.

It really is not that hard to enforce copyright.
Perfect10, Falconfoto and many other companies that pursue copyright violation have a great business model. Sure it's shitty but none the less stealing content is shitty as well, but not enforcing copyright is just as much the crime.

However 9 times out of 10 you will find what is initially thought as stolen content follow the trail and learn that the content was legitamatly posted with the intention of generating revenue promotion or buzz.

Thats the surprise.

you mean like the guy who ripped an entire site of mine, that Ive had to have removed 4x times to date. Oh how the sales came pouring in. lol

tehHinjew 07-03-2007 04:53 PM

i make moneyz

KimJI 07-03-2007 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 12699221)
However 9 times out of 10 you will find what is initially thought as stolen content follow the trail and learn that the content was legitamatly posted with the intention of generating revenue promotion or buzz.

Thats the surprise.



Bullshit statement of the day.

tehHinjew 07-03-2007 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KimJI (Post 12699292)
Bullshit statement of the day.

lol hahaha

that guy should see rapidshare man, they have companies emailing them everyday to remove the download link to stop the sharing

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-03-2007 05:13 PM

Well maybe the 9 out of 10 is a stretch.

But still it is done.

I am not defending copyright violation here I am just saying content providers themselves must be firm in enforcing the law. Not just sending a cease and desist and go have a beer...

Content Violation is a huge industry to profit from I think we have all seen it with our own eyes over the years.
If you are a victim of copyright theft make some noise go after violators hard and consistantly document everything and fry em...

It's your own fault if you dont. Ya can not just sit and whine about it being stolen all the time. Do somethign about it. I would hope that ya guys would but clearly none of you do and just prefer to QQ about it screaming about getting raped. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT and quit sniveling.

cess 07-03-2007 05:16 PM

I bet these guys could tell ya.
202-775-0101

AtlantisCash 07-03-2007 05:16 PM

............................

DatingGold 07-03-2007 05:26 PM

causes brain cancer

tony286 07-03-2007 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 12699367)
Well maybe the 9 out of 10 is a stretch.

But still it is done.

I am not defending copyright violation here I am just saying content providers themselves must be firm in enforcing the law. Not just sending a cease and desist and go have a beer...

Content Violation is a huge industry to profit from I think we have all seen it with our own eyes over the years.
If you are a victim of copyright theft make some noise go after violators hard and consistantly document everything and fry em...

It's your own fault if you dont. Ya can not just sit and whine about it being stolen all the time. Do somethign about it. I would hope that ya guys would but clearly none of you do and just prefer to QQ about it screaming about getting raped. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT and quit sniveling.

Fuck you

Tempest 07-03-2007 05:40 PM

Why is it I don't really believe this is AlienQ.. hmmmmmm....

OzMan 07-03-2007 05:44 PM

you could have made a thread titled "Hey I've been away for a while, how is everyone.. I missed you guys etc etc" but noooooo :1orglaugh

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-03-2007 05:45 PM

I do not mean to harsh Tony I am sorry.

But ya could get together with other content provider's create a platform and go right the fuck after content violators. You could make some good coin doing it.

I do not like content violators myself but it does come with the territory of owning and creating content. The industry does need a content guild of some sort to pursue violators and generate profit from those that exploit and steal content.

tony286 07-03-2007 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 12699473)
I do not mean to harsh Tony I am sorry.

But ya could get together with other content provider's create a platform and go right the fuck after content violators. You could make some good coin doing it.

I do not like content violators myself but it does come with the territory of owning and creating content. The industry does need a content guild of some sort to pursue violators and generate profit from those that exploit and steal content.

Im sorry too but herding cats would be easier.There is hope Ive heard of some things that may be happening. If I had the money, I would truly be a leader and go after these people and put pressure on my peers to attack this.Unfortunately being a small fish,it means bending over and hopefully when you write them they take pity on you and take your shit down.It works about 80 percent of the time.

OzMan 07-03-2007 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 12699473)
...The industry does need a content guild of some sort to pursue violators and generate profit from those that exploit and steal content.

Any particular reason you think that would work for Adult if it hasn't worked for Mainstream software/music/movie producers?

Sure there have been many high profile lawsuits but I haven't seen any of the biggest torrent sites going down for long if at all.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-03-2007 05:55 PM

Goto Here if ya own content and want to enforce yer copyrights.
http://208.109.182.192/

there area few other companies out there that do this sort of thing as well.
It does get results. Back in the day I was friends with the founder, quite an old history.

Your copyrights are pretty much handled in automation, C&D's and the rabbit hole goes further. I know that if more content providers pushed there rights the over all effect would be benificial to everyone as a result.

tony286 07-03-2007 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OzMan (Post 12699517)
Any particular reason you think that would work for Adult if it hasn't worked for Mainstream software/music/movie producers?

Sure there have been many high profile lawsuits but I haven't seen any of the biggest torrent sites going down for long if at all.

Adult can go after advertisers which mainstream wont do because they need each other too much.

stickyfingerz 07-03-2007 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlantisCash (Post 12699201)
that was the greatest post of these days on gfy, even though some morons think they know everything.

i don't have even 1 torrent site by the way, but i believe that if You can't stop it then try to manage it.

Hi stickyfingerz btw, i hope You understand what i want to say.

Regards.

:winkwink::1orglaugh Im done with talking about torrents. Minds wont change. Ill just wait for the next crusade to come, and people will forget about torrents. I remember something about zango or something? *scratches head* :1orglaugh

PR_Sebas 07-03-2007 07:10 PM

IMO ... torrent sites, rapidshare sites, free porn boards, regular music boards and P2P are killing the porn, music and movie industry bottom line, there is no way to stop it, there probably never will be...

:2 cents:

JD 07-03-2007 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornreviewsource (Post 12699799)
there is no way to stop it, there probably never will be...

we have a winner! :2 cents:

flashfire 07-12-2007 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxfuzion (Post 12699086)
Just think a bit...
Who visits torrent sites? Imho all those who DON'T want to pay for content/services/etc.
Leechers...useless traffic...

you obviously have no idea...torrent sites convert great

Paul Markham 07-12-2007 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxfuzion (Post 12699086)
Just think a bit...
Who visits torrent sites? Imho all those who DON'T want to pay for content/services/etc.
Leechers...useless traffic...

You really are struggling to make a debate. The same was applied to TGP sites a few years ago.

Torrent suites charge for advertising, so if we follow your logic the sites advertising are losing money by advertising.

Paul Markham 07-12-2007 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 12699182)
I say bullshit people are not advertising there because of profitability its because most think if they dont they are missing out. Especially when you consider the avg BT user is probably 15 yrs old and if not they are looking for free shit. They see a trailer of something interesting, they then go to a torrent search engine to find more for free not the site to pull out their credit card. How many here saw sicko for free will now go and pay please.lol Q if BT traffic was so great why are you broke all the time?

So the people advertising are losing money and not tracking traffic. Plus the people on those sites would never be buying porn anyway. So what's the problem?

The problem with Torrent sites is simple. It allows a surfer to get off to a 20 minute product when we have built a model based on a 30 day $30 product. We are the Torrent sites best friends. We do not supply what the surfer needs at a price he's willing to pay. Look at the sponsors starting threads here offering everything and the kitchen sink to affiliates. Then figure out how they pay for it and why the surfer is going to Torrent sites. Does anyone see Torrent sites giving free tools and iphones of $50 sign ups?

yumma 07-12-2007 03:09 AM

torrent traffic converts well.


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