Do *YOU* think there's too much free porn on the internet?
 

Then why in the hell do you run a TGP? I know you do...everyone does***. So why? Is it the only thing you know? Do you think you're obligated to run a TGP? You don't have to, you know. There are other ways...

***Labret is excluded from the "everyone" category...I already know he hates TGP's and doesn't have one.

p2p proggies and spammers have a bigger effect on the lack of signups

I don't run a TGP

i will say this: quality, coupled with some originality/fresh perspective - will always sell.

i've never operated a tgp (past or present).

I don't run a TGP ether......

Yes, there is a ton of free porn out there. The catch is surfers have to spend hours and hours finding it.

Let's say they like cheerleaders. Surfers can spend days looking for decent cheerleader pics. But once they find a site with great cheerleader content - and lots of it - They will buy in and stay.

Things are not always as they seem.

no tgp here

sure there are nother ways. I like this way, because it gives me money to live, and money to play without any hard work. In fact, it makes more more than any doctor or a lawer would make. The only thing that pisses me off is the fact that my traffic could make me 100-1000 times more than it is now, but there is just so much free porn out there it's impossible to really turn all of my traffic into real money. There will be a day when it happens. And only the strongest that survive up till that day, will benefit from it. I hope to be around when that day comes.

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I never run TGP

Agreed :ak47: Kazaa

I don't run a TGP, so I'm not totally guilty there.

However, I do use them a little to promote my sites. Yes, I think there is too much free porn, and yes, I think TGPs are part of the problem. However, I also think I have way too little traffic, and think TGPs are part of the solution.

So I compromise... I try to control *what* ends up on TGPs, and I don't use them a ton. To be really consistent, I should probably not use them at all. However, I try to keep my affiliates happy, and a lot of people like to use TGPs to promote their sponsors. So I will continue to provide hosted galleries, and allow them to make galleries.

Personally, I hope something like the "TGP3" proposal takes off. It would be nice to be able to do the TGP thing in a way that doesn't give it all away for free. On the up side, though, I am not in a hardcore market, so for the most part, my viewers aren't put-off by what they have already seen.

freeloaders suck, but if you have some marketing skills and work on their trust... bla bla.. it´s still possiple to sell to them ;-)

way way way too much

oh well

:321GFY

not guilty. i don't run a tgp... i do run an avs link list though. maybe there is too much on my preview pages. :)

To much hardly describes it..

Too free or not too free, that is the ...

Wait, I forgot the question!

No TGP here and never will be. More power to those that do, I've never gone that way. Never made a gallery with a sponsor link either for that matter.

As far as free porn- doesn't affect hard good sales, never will.

I hate free porn, if the Governments would crack down and put everything behind an AVS, well maybe I could finally buy a sandwhich or some soup or something:( I am just a broke ass montain boy whom never ran a tgp or will I:mad:

I am TGP Free, as in no TGP. Conversions are great.

Instead of all these ideas on TGP vers.XX's... the sponsors COULD, segregate their content into two ares.

1) TGP permissable pics
2) AVS permissable pics

Rules being:
ALL affiliates must follow the content rules

Any affiliate caught not following these rules get the same treatment as spammers described below.

Sponsors split the bank on ALL spammers turned in WITH full headers that can prove that it came from a certain person

ANYone dealing with adult sales thru emails MUST use domain oriented email addies... NO free mails or they are cancelled

ALL third party paid for content used to promote a sponsor MUST be used in AVS sites ONLY!

This removes the TGP owners from controlling things as well as other perks which also would benefit the sponsors themselves in increased sales.


This all goes back to the trade union that we were discussing last year before being inadvertantly sidetracked in September as well as the rumors of some large sponsor working on a similar idea... whish we have seen was simply a ploy to get US from going ahead with the idea obviously.

We had some bigger players interested in the idea and they were actively working to make a TU happen. They know who they are and can get ahold of me anytime to restart the planning. :) Gem at knac dot com for now.

If sponsors help to remove the control from tgp owners, picposts etc etc then we'd all benefit (The surfers see the same content from all of us) so sooner or later they get the card out or go back to magazines, their choice!

....well, i`m a newbie as adultwebmaster, but a surfer for porn since a few years. (and i`m still more surfer than wm :-)

tgp`s def. give away a hell of free porn, but i think a bigger problem are sites like freeones.com, famouspronstars.com and so on. i think 99,9% of the surfers that know sites like them, would never pay for porn. for example on freeones there is a jenna jameson fansite called "glorious jenna jameson" and they give away around 5.000 pix of her in super quality for free !!!

as a surfer i loved it, because i found thousands of free quality pix or more per each pornstar i liked. so why the hell should i sign up and pay for porn.

guschi2k...

You would signup if all you got to see were the same pic sets from all sources or get used to the idea of no more real fantasies from new sets.

If the 'common' webmasters don't somehow effect a change then we we all end up down the tubes, sooner rather than later. Some will scoff at this but they WILL be the loudest whiners as sales goes down.... and down... and down...

Bringing the 'free' industry back UP will be a thousand times harder to manage than to do some changes now. After all, the sponsors are allowing a select few webmasters control the adult internet (and who are those select few?? The ones that give away massive amounts of content)

We don't need to actually remove the content thats out there (so there won't be tons of work for all the WMs to do) but simply QUIT adding new free sets, and institute the new rules across the board. :winkwink:

Sooner or later the surfers will get tired of seeing the same niche/s that they prefer and have to get off that cc to see more or go without. And how many surfers will give it up?!?!? 10%? 5% let the mooches go if they want. :1orglaugh

gemini

yes...that makes sense to me.
i spent the last weeks with browsing the ressource sites and red a hell of a lot tutorials. i think the tgp2 thang is one good way for example, but current i have no idea if tgp2`s are successful ?...
when i first started as adultwm some weeks ago, i also built many standard tgp gallery`s but after reading an article with the same topic like this thread i instantly stopped submitting to find better ways that don`t give away that much content

.....so i began to build tgp2 gallerys this week and hope many webmasters also take this way. i also thought about making some kind of tgp2 site but with a little different rules (since in fact some tgp2 sites seem to have their own rules). my idea`s were for example, to make gallerys with about 20 tn`s, around 6 clickable ones, were 5 images must be less than for example 500px (or less) on the longest side and not too good quality. and one real promo image with the maximum quality you have. if the images open in html pages would be the `submitters choice.

these were just some idea`s i had as a newbie :-) and i don`t know if they make really sense....

:-)

I'm sure its not a problem specialized niche traffic and niche content can't solve.

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my idea`s were for example, to make gallerys with about 20 tn`s, around 6 clickable ones,..

That statement right theree is what started this whole ball rolling that we currently face... You just increased the content (pushed the envelope), so someone else will push it more and so on.

It wouldn't be EASY to restart our industry like I spoke of above, but it will need doing and the sooner = the easier )even tho it WILL require alot of thinking, planning as well as enforcement)

Sponsors splitting the 'bank' of rule breakers will cover the time the REAL wm's spend in following up on idiots wanting to ignore policy.

And before the scoffers start with "but then anyone can get anyone booted by spamming their ref codes etc etc", it will take planning as I said but there ARE ways around this being able to be done.

It IS our choice to sink or swim. And pressure CAN be brought on to those that don't want to deal with things the way the industry itself dictates.

If the single girl sites choose to do their own thing? Well the sponsors kick them out as well. (and THAT is coming from an ex adult camgirlie) No follow simple rules, outcha go. NO $$ for the cheaters.

That is exactly true.

Last year, I thought TGP2 was a great idea. I thought too much free porn was a problem. Then I watched TGP2 unfold and realized that too much free porn is not why so many porn businesses are floundering and conversions are down for so many people.

You are 100% right, though. Original content of good quality with a fresh perspective will sell no matter what.

oh THIS would be fun to enforce...checking each and every referring page and trying to track where their traffic comes from....

splitting the bank? so, ok, sponsors split the bank with you....so, can I, as a sponsor then also make you split MY costs of enforcement? Will you pay part of my hosting bills to DESERVE this bank? Maybe the bank should be split only amongst those sending more than 100 joins per month?

trade union?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA never going to happen, NEVER...
the egos in this business would never let one of the other players decide how they do business...and who would decide the rules? YOU? how about me? I draw some ire from GFY Sensitivity Police for my views....should we use MY views?

What if I don't think spam is bad? what if I think fake rape and fake incest sites are not so bad? what if think everyone should have at least one bestiality site? Remember what one wise person said and more have quoted "You can't even get a group of webmasters to decide where to go for dinner..."
Hey, let's let [Labret] decide what HE wants as a standard for our industry...how about The Hun? Who votes on the issues? who elects our "leaders"? What if I don't like what the leaders propose?

Why should it just be sponsors who try to limit TGP's? what about the webmasters who submit? don't THEY also have the power? without submissions, what where would TGP's egt their content?

as long as they get their traffic counters spun, webmasters will still submit to TGP's...as long as legit sales come in, sponsors will keep letting them come in....



here are MY proposals for helping the industry....
no more free content to webmasters, let them buy their own and they may watch a bit more carefully how they use their content
no more free hosting...if they can't afford a couple bucks for a domain and hosting, maybe they should keep the day job....hell, if I wanted to open a restaurant, the city wouldn't give me a free building, inventory and equipment...
all hardcore content would be behind and AVS or pay area....make them pay for hardcore
no more free movies...make surfers pay to see the movies...

ah hell, who really wants to listen to what I think is best for this business? the same who could give a shit about YOUR opinions on what's best for this business...so, you keep doing business who you see fit, I'll do the same and everyone else should do likewise...

the problem with the internet today is there is way too LITTLE free porn out there. With the lack of MASSIVE amounts of free porn all these IDIOTS that think they can sell porn might actually have a chance. I say FLOOD the internet with 100X more free porn, and hardcore too, than is on it today so as to weed out all these useless dumbdumbs. MacDonalds is having trouble hiring now since they all think they can make a website and it's taking them more then 30 seconds now to get my bigmac.


in fact I think I'm gona go make 150 new galleries of INCREDIBLE hardcore porn to give away right now.

Guys, while I agree that there is too much free porn on the net. Here's the problem with trying to restart the industry and give away less. What happens when everyone goes through all this shit, gives away less porn, etc. and then finds out that their monthly check isnt any bigger. Think about it, does anyone actually know if giving a surfer 6 pics instead of 20 will make them pull out a cc? There could be other reasons why some surfers make you money, and why some never will.

I'll be sure to send everyone I know who refuses to pay for porn your way, since you're so nice and accomodating to freeloading surfers.

the hiring problem is only a result of to many "illegal" weight loss bet`s...... :Graucho

Ya gotta give it away with your kind of traffic.

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Is this a thread asking for innovative business models on how to make TGPs [not the gallery makers] make money outside of advertising?

I am an anonymous TGPaholic. Fortunately I have benn clean for the past year or so. And I am proud.

Please do. as many as possible too. Thank you



exactly, last thing I want to do is start charging people. I've got too much money already.

hahaha

I don't run a tgp either

The goverment should ban free porn from the net
somebody that wants to see pussy must take out the CC
why there is no free porn on TV? you need to pay to see it - do the same for the Internet!!!

there's free porn all over canadian TV.

only religious nuts and people INCABABLE of selling want to curb free porn on the internet.

which are you?

No TGP over here...

I live in Canada too
Please show me the free porn on our TV because it seems I'm missing it...

Oh you mean pride TV :winkwink:

very good points sykkboy, i was thinking similar.

you shaved me a bunch of typing. :)

Shouldn't the question be "Then why do you SUBMIT to tgp's?"

???

Really, the free porn comes from webmasters submitting free porn to the TGP's, the TGP is only the vehicle by which that free porn is shown and advertised. Let's put the responsibility where it really lies, on the webmasters themselves.

And hey, those webmasters are just trying to get traffic to the pays sites to make a buck. Paysites offer the free content for us to promote them correct?

So, is the availablity of free porn to be blamed on:
TGP's that show it?...
or webmasters that submit it?.....
or paysite owners that provide it??

Its not the free porn that is killing the pay sites. Its the free hardcore porn.

If we could somehow stop free sites from offering hardcore then the surfers would have to join the pay sites and everyone would make twice the money
It would be benificial for the free sites and the pay sites

There is a ton of softcore porn on latenight tv in Canada. The Showcase channel runs original uncut R rated movies all the time, typically with scenes of nudity, sexuality, violence etc etc. All the good stuff. I once saw a scene in a movie on this channel of a chick giving a guy head, and it was an explicit scene with oral penetration.

Very little hardcore, but lots of skin for sure. Much moreso that most US channels.

you split MY costs of enforcement...
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You need to read closer, the sponsors would be getting a free half of the signups from scammers while WE do the enforcing as in the finding the cheats, the sponsors do just as they always have usually, term the cheats... (as if WE don't get hit with spam and see tons of other things each and every day.

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What if I don't think spam is bad?
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Just to let you know, PLAN on spammers going down. Ohio is already in process of passing a spam law and THEY will sue, ANYwhere they can... And you want to pull opted in? You will have to PROVE the person opted in darlin... Other states and countries will follow as this is a money bank they won't pass on.

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WHO makes the rules? Easy... put them on a ballot and democracy rules.
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no more free hosting

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You can't legally shut down freehost businesses... But You CAN limit the content use via the sponsors, IE: they quit giving more and more out every day, once a year a few galleries etc etc (This would be something that would have to be dealt with obviously.
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And of course I would expect you to go against anything that looks like a control on your mighty wallets intake. (HaHaHa) You are one of the people that if ANYone says its blue, you'd say red just to be a pain in the *ss.

Last line on the matter to you, You WILL be assimilated via the current government. So volunteer to back it down or be PUT there. Might not be THIS government but it IS coming. No doubt about that. If you don't believe it... Go back to High School and redo the history classes with your head UP instead of asleep on the desk. As long as the US controls ICANN you are in their province.

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Winter, the surfers will sooner or later get the idea that they will have to pay. And their WOULD be a lull in our bank accounts. But do you want a lull or be back out pumping gas or whatever for a living? Or take a few lowered months of income and then a better chance at a higher conversion rate?
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why there is no free porn on TV? you need to pay to see it ...
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You hit it square on the head... but one of the problems that we face are the site owners that are more concerned over their traffic counts (counter placements) and their OWN wallets, and F the very people that do the bulk of the work. (submitters)

Yeah well nobody would need to buy or rent porn if it was hardcore and free on tv.

Same rules apply other places.