VERY interesting news about SHAPCASH... drama?
 

Absolutely there is some drama.

Shap, can you explain to me why you are the only sponsor in the last week to pass my hit test?

Shapcash tracked 100% of the clicks I sent to your program, when others were 90% if they were lucky. You track 100% raws. I found one program who tracked 50%. Same traffic sources same volume.

Why are you running a legit business and giving credit to affiliates properly? I demand to know why you are trying to make a good name for yourself.

I await your reply.

he didn't snub you...no drama...move along :2 cents:

Are you saying NATS isn't tracking properly? And if so who's fault would that be, NATS or the Programs?

Programs, d'oh

What? Did you not READ the thread?

I have informed him of the error and i'll be getting %15 of your clicks for pointing it out to him:)

cool info !

Who's the sponsor tracking only 50%?

because shap is top notch :)

top notch, stand up, and pure bros

This is what you said "Shap, can you explain to me why you are the only sponsor in the last week to pass my hit test?"

So I'm asking, did you test a NATS sponsor, if you did are they tracking properly?

brad, stop trying to stroke shap off.

Sorry I misunderstood, I thought you were insinuating, not asking a question. I apologize for jumping to conclusions.

I encourage you to run your own hit tests. It's very simple to set up a script to track outgoing hits, and you can match them to a program of choice.

I won't confirm or deny any programs or theories in this thread. I'm just patting Shap on the shoulder for being the only one who tracks 100%.

I can't stop, it feels too good.

Shap is a smart man that is old school enough to want to be around tomorrow and not settle for a quickbuck.

No surprise the best programs don't use NATS.

As to the other question "Are you saying NATS isn't tracking properly? And if so who's fault would that be, NATS or the Programs?"

The answer is both the program is at fault for not switching off of it when they found the problem and NATS is at fault for catering to the program and not the affilite.

Is there still demand for super airbrushed photography and abundance of fake boobs? I'm just wandering if a sponsor like that converts at all...

You do like your nats bashing :)

however, aren't you guys using MP software?

I have a sponsor that's only tracking 50% over the past couple of days so it looks like a switch to shapcash may be in order :) :thumbsup:thumbsup

No we went to a custom solution after the issues we had with nats. We do not use mpa nor do we have anything to gain by speaking out about nats. We will never use any software that is zend encoded as you can not see what type of exploits or holes are in there especially for an affiliate program with vital data.

ICQ me? I am curious to see if this is the same sponsor
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see sig motherfucker

So why not publicly shame those who are cheating honest affiliates?

What are the sponsors in the list.

I'm not interested in having my accounts disabled for breaking TOS. So again I say, perform click tests yourself to find out. It's not hard to do.

So, what you are saying is that this post is nothing but a transparent attempt to get webmasters to sign up under your affiliate code...

Got it.. :thumbsup

Nah, I've never made $1 off of ref codes so I don't give a shit about that.

Because chances are they're not cheating honest affiliates. Some sponsors display qualified/second page hits. That doesn't mean they're not tracking your sales, though. But if you want to figure out how much your traffic is really worth you'd be crazy not to be counting your outgoing clicks and comparing them to your revenue.

You don't have MAS?

i'm not gonna get involved in this, but why does anybody care about clicks unless you're getting paid per click?

When a program's front page uniques match your outgoing traffic, then you can be certain there's nothing shady going on. And while it probably doesn't mean anything if they don't match up, you can never be so sure as when they do match.

And it's good to know realistic ratios so you can actually calculate properly what your traffic is worth. Admittedly, every affiliate should be doing that on his own, but most don't and it would be nice to see all affiliate programs displaying realistic stats.

I don't know if Karups has MAS, but even if they did that has nothing to do with their affiliate program software, that is simply for members area content management.

Brad

Because programs aren't always up front about WHAT they are counting, it is often very hard to compare one to another. For every 10k hits I send to sponsors, I often see something closer to 7500-8000 reported.

Some of the losses I am sure are from the various leachers and theives, but much of the difference comes in the raw, unique, first page, second page, join page roulette that every program seems to play.

Even NATS, which is suppose to be a "standard" appears to be able to be manipulated to present somewhat different numbers on different programs. I am not sure why this is, I can't put my finger on it, but things don't always add up.

In the end, I think some programs feel they would lose webmasters if their true conversions were shown, and others are high end victims of toolbars and other click fraud systems. I also think that some programs end up with too many leaks in their tours on page one, and then count page two traffic.

It's pretty frustrating to deal with.

No, I understand and that's exactly what I mean.

So if I count 100% of your clicks does that mean i'm not shaving your joins?

And if i'm counting all your clicks and shaving your joins is that better than counting 20% of your clicks and not shaving your joins?

I guess I ask because you said that counting all of the clicks means that nothing "shady" is going on... seems like an odd way to make sure you are getting paid for your sales since it's not a pay per click program. What if a program just said "we dont fuck with counting your clicks"... does that mean something *really* shady is going on?

Best way to calculate your $$$ with a program? Count your own clicks and add up the $$ made with the program then divide and come up with your own real independent cost per click... ANYTHING other than that is guesswork.

-QB

Well put.

I'd also add that some sites are easier to get the surfer to click through to than others, but they may join at the same rate (% of your visitors, not click ratio), so I tend to mostly look at the end dollar amount.

Nope but when any of the numbers don't add up then it's time to move on :2 cents:

edit: I wasn't implying that I had a problem with yours numbers, they're bang on!

Good point. What I meant is that it's less likely something shady is going on. Showing front page raw and unique clicks is as upfront and transparent as an affiliate program can be when it comes to stats. To me, it immediately puts the affiliate program in a better light.

But as you point out, it certainly doesn't mean they're unable to shave sales. Everyone should be tracking their own clicks, of course, but most people don't to their own detriment.

I just get the impression (maybe wrongly) that a program that tracks honestly (first page hits and uniques or at least tells affiliates they're only showing second page/qualified hits) already has a step up on other affiliate programs that give no explanation as to what the numbers in their stats actually mean. I guess some of that is just impression and gut instinct. Take it for what it's worth.

A program that doesn't even disclose how they count clicks (of which there are many) doesn't inspire the greatest amount of confidence in me.

From a guy who said "why bother counting clicks, it's not a ppc thing" to saying: "Best way to calculate your $$$ with a program? Count your own clicks and add up the $$ made with the program then divide and come up with your own real independent cost per click... ANYTHING other than that is guesswork."

No fucking shit smart guy.

lol well if i'm so smart why do you care about sponsors counting clicks?

I like money...

I'm actually joining Shapcash in a minute, glad to see this thread before I do, it's more motivating :)

Too bad there aren't more people like you on these board. Well put.

OK, so newbie question, how would I count my outgoing clicks to a sponsor?

Shap Cash is an oxymoron.







Shap doesn't have any cash.






Beth has it all.

An i wasn't even talking about that, you missed the point, i think Charles didn't/won't.

Agreed wholeheartedly.

Shap is God in man form.

I think affiliates can have a hundred reasons for wanting their click stats to be exact while sponsors have no reason to not show them.

50 second page clicks