What the hell do I do?
 

Okay, so...

I got a big sale today from a relatively new affiliate. This was a $90 long term membership to one of our sites. Given that a new sponsor sent someone that loyal so early-on, I thought I would check them out.

So, first, I checked out their conversions... Five sales already including that big juicy one. To get that, they sent 685 hits. That's 1:137, and pretty impressive all things considered.

Probably a pretty similar site, right? After all, they are converting well, and sent us a long-term member already. Something goth, or otherwise related to our sites... Maybe a review site, with conversions that good. Right? Thing is, I went to the URL they gave me as their homepage... and it sure as hell looks like it is 100% for promoting kiddie porn.

Many of you know I can be Mr. Self-Righteous Holier-than-Thou Morality Crusader when the mood hits me. Obviously, this doesn't sit well with me. So, here's the question... What exactly do I do about it?

First you must tell us who it is, then we can all help you decide!

More info... I can't find the links to our site on their site. Further, I am not noticing any traffic from the listed domain. So this person may be promoting us from another site... Still, I don't like working with KP scumbags. Bleh.

sexocean

No matter what obviously dont place a kp link here....

EDIT: Links and domain names removed. If you want to know who it is for some reason (say... to help me get them shut down thoroughly) send me a message by ICQ.

IAN -

NO


KILL THE LINKS

dont post those here blarg

I would immediately refund the money and term the account for sure. For starters.

NO link needed, that shit was CP and KP for sure.
NO link needed, that shit was CP and KP for sure.
NO link needed, that shit was CP and KP for sure.
NO link needed, that shit was CP and KP for sure.
NO link needed, that shit was CP and KP for sure.

Links edited. Is that better? (sorry)

lol edited, just take them off completely

nobody wants to see KP, we know what ur talking about.. just refer to it as KP :c)

yeah...cut the person off...yeah the money might be nice, but keep in mind what kind of people you are dealing with. the couple of hundred bucks is not worth what you are connected to. Report them as well.

I wanted people to be able to see them, more to see if anyone could see the links to us, or if people were interested (like me) in seeing them shut down. Sorry for the kerfluffle, I agree those links shouldn't have been posted. If you want to know the domain for any (legitimate) reason, ICQ me.

As for dealing with them... Someone said refund. Do you mean cancelling the membership and giving the guy his money back? I believe that would also mean the referrer didn't get paid, but I am not sure.

I am planning to cut them off, or even have CCBill kill their account (rather than just removing them from my CCBill program). The question is, should I be nice and tell them?

Update: Their host appears to be in the USA.

Since I am not sure about removing someone altogether, I have set their % to 0 as a temporary measure. I have also emailed their hosts; both of their domains are hosted by US companies. Finally, I have contacted CCBill who manages my affiliate program.

Hopefully, I can inconvenience these people as much as possible, and not have any further connections with them.

I would totally refund the money to the surfer and report the guy to the FBI. That signup although a nice one is tainted imo.

Seriously, people like that are what fuck this industry up for EVERYONE.

If it is as bad as you say I would advise you to take a firm stand on this one and bring his ass down.

I am currently leaning towards hitting the refund button, effectively erasing the transaction. However, I don't want to jump the gun, so I am going to wait to see what CCBill suggests. I sure would like an extra $90, but it isn't worth *that* much to me. Gives me the willies.

So, while I wait to hear from CCBill to determine what I should do about their account in my program, and the sales they have sent, I will do what I can to make their lives tough.

It think it was basically a kiddie TGP, but I didn't exactly hang around long. I did not see any hardcore content, but naked teens (not "teens") is just wrong. Some of them *might* have been made-up 18 year olds, but I doubt it. The only title the site had was "Lolita" and that pretty much sums it up. Creepy, creepy stuff.

I did a whois, and the two domains I know of are on different hosts. However, both are in the US. (Why the hell have a dutch company to sell kiddie porn, and then host in the USA?) I have emailed both hosts, congratulating them on hosting child porn. That should give these KP peddlers some trouble.

Contacting CCBill may help too. I doubt they use them as a merchant, but if they are in other affiliate programs through CCBill, they can be removed from them all in one swell foop. Hopefully, we can make it harder and harder for people like this to make money, and they will die out. (I know, dream on...)

is it a real cp site, or just one of those sites with young looking models.

whether it is or isn't, it is none of my business. but let me say this:

cp sites don't normally operate like that. they operate in "rings". whenever there is a mid to large size bust, it is always a "child porn ring". they are like some kind of sick enthusiasts - pedophiles usually trading pics with each other and are high on security. fbi/interpol/scotland yard, whatever, spend months working on these things because they're not exactly easy to break. they are usually set up like a small terrorist network - groups of people - if one group goes down, the others remain intact. these people don't just sign up to an affiliate program to send traffic from their sites. they don't even have sites because they want to remain anonymous. they don't submit that shit to tgps. so i very much doubt you're dealing with a hardcore pedophile. from what i've read in the past, they NEVER operate like that. do a search on google for past cases/arrests.


then there are those underage lolita sites which usually call themselves "art" and the non-nude teen model sites, which are commercial.

i'd guess that you are probably dealing with one of those underage (nude or non nude) model sites. mainly because you say it "looks like cp". and because those pedophile groups that deal with the blatant child abuse/rape shit, would never set up a website and send traffic to an affiliate program.

HOWEVER - everyone knows how moral you can be. maybe you'd consider it cp because they don't LOOK 18,19,20 or older........ tawnee stone doesn't look 18, if you see what i mean.

are you SURE it is underage? if it is underage then by all means, you should cancel it, report it, do what you have to do.

but you should tread carefully 'cause you MAY be in the wrong or have stumbled upon one of those fake-ish "lolita" tgps like tinyteentgp.com. some of the models look young, but are all over 18.

In my line of work, we draw a line between "certain" (100% definite) or deduction and "uncertain" (99.9999% definite) or inference. I have to admit, I am only 99.9999% certain that this is kiddie porn, since I have no incontrovertable truth, only the evidence of what the pictures look like.

I am confident that this is not an art site with underage girls. (Which, by the way, is still creepy if they are trying to be sexy in the pictures!) Further, I am confident that these girls are not Tawnee's age and youthful looking. They are *young*. Too young.

If you would like to see the site in question, send me a message in ICQ and I can show you the URL. I don't think you'd disagree with me. Some of the girls *could* be 18+... but some of them just couldn't be.

i don't want to see the link - however, the chances are, if it isn't one of those twisted "underage lolita" model sites, then the images are of youngish looking girls that are actually legal - especially if it is one of those tgps that link to galleries by using thumbnails.

if you're not 100% sure then you SHOULD make sure that you get the facts straight before you take away someone's income - afterall, you may have gotten it wrong. the best thing to do would be to ask to see licenses. if it is a tgp that is linking to galleries using their thumbnails, then it sucks 'cause you'd need to ask the gallery makers for licenses. at least contact the guys and ask them what is going on. i know i wouldn't mind showing a sponsor my licenses, if they asked to see it. at least if they don't show licenses - then they could let you know where they bought the content from. that'd be assurance at least that the models are over 18. otherwise the content may be stolen in which case they deserve to be fucked. :1orglaugh

not making sure of the facts before acting on something would make you no better than A-PIC. :( make sure... then take the appropriate action...

http://www.uglypeople.com/uglymen/se...-men-00306.jpg

He's the webmaster guilty of these crimes. You can see it in his expression.

Thwe graphics that stretched across the top of the page was a graphic that said "LOLITA."

it was kp cp, however ya wanna put it.

illegal.

Here's the thing...

I am 99.9999% sure those girls are underage. That's pretty much good enough for me to not want to work with someone. However, even if I am wrong... Who cares? They are cashing in on child porn in a scary, scary way. I don't mind Tawnee or whatever, but a girl who looks 12 is going too fucking far. So as far as I am concerned, fake CP is nasty enough to scare me away.

So you have refunded and walked away, right? End of story. Finito.....full stop. Good man :thumbsup

I haven't yet refunded, or contacted the affiliate. I am waiting, in case CCBill has a procedure they like to use in these cases. They have more experience than I do, after all, and even more of a reason to hate KP sites. (Imagine if they lost their ability to use MasterCard...) However, if they don't present me with anything on Monday, I plan to click "Refund" and wipe my hands.

Can anyone recommend any good authorities to contact? The company appears to be in the Netherlands, but they host in California and Maryland.

Even the Hun hosts in California

hehehe

we love beast here...

http://www.asacp.org

and

http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/

If it gives you the willies, that should be enough to push that refund button... you COULD end up being raided yourself if you stay affiliated with them and they are breaking the law... and loose all of your gear in the process.

Customs works on the out of country things, but I don't know the exact page or email adderss to give you.

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Don't refund shit back to them bastards... They will just use it for another cp site.... Instead ya should send it to one of the sites that support the ban of child porn.. Give them the donation.. Makes me sick to see or hear of servers IN THE usa serving this shit.... Just not the usa but still in the usa you would think they would pay more attention and take faster action..

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awe shit didnt see her post but that is the group i was talking about :thumbsup GEM

Kill the webmasters account.

E-mail the webmaster and tell him that the models on his site look to be under 18 and you do not work with sites that could be illegal or have anything to do with child porn.

Don't refund the members as that will just piss them off. If he sent them they are yours the people wanted goth.

Do check the transactions and see if one of the signups was from him though. If so refund that transaction.