Pres. Bush, a bigger terrorist than Osama bin Laden....
 

Just realized as I was driving home tonight that Bush started a war that had nothing to do with what happened on 9/11. (Iraq may have had an asshole for a leader, but he had nothing to do with that day, and harbored no terrorists. That's a fact. They also had no WMD's and were no direct threat to the U.S.) And now, the Iraq war has killed more americans than Osama bin Laden did on September the 11th, 2001.

As of last week, the U.S. death toll in Iraq was 3500.

That makes him more deadly to U.S citizens than any terrorist organization.

No matter what anyone thinks or says, those are the facts, and that is pretty fucking sad.

According to Al Gore you're wrong !

https://youtube.com/watch?v=bogBwAby3so

Who cares what Gore says? He's a politician, and thus a scumbag.

according to Bush himself, I'm right.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=CU49TtHCZcM

silly children and their "facts" :1orglaugh

Bush / Cheney '08

yeah, we know, you, like this administration, think facts are the enemy.

Lets do some politics here ... :)

Only in America

Saddam not only had WMD and used WMD against civilians in his own country (the Kurds) and his neighbors (Iran), but he had a massive program to hide them, including by burying them and trucking them around.

Your comparison of President Bush with Bin Laden is inflamatory, inaccurate, ignorant, and despicable.

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Your blind devotion to a murderous president hell bent on breaking our constitution is scary, it was citizens like you that gave Hitler his power.

you are funny .....:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You are wrong on so many levels its funny. Who said Iraq had anything to do with 9/11? Bush did not kill those troops, terrorists did. The same terrorists that would be trying to get into the USA if our troops were not in the front lines drawing them to a battle were we are losing very few people and they are losing a lot.

Oh yeah? You mean the fabricated photo evidence that has been debunked many times?

And the weapons he did have, the chemical weapons. USA sold him that shit.

You guys think your country is so great, but the truth is it is run by psychotic mobsters who doesnt give a shit about you. Wake the fuck up.

I'll let Cheney answer this:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=iovdIiSE8T8

And to break the cycle of lies that this administration would have you believe:
you said:
"Bush did not kill those troops, terrorists did.
The same terrorists that would be trying to get into the USA if our troops were not in the front lines drawing them to a battle were we are losing very few people and they are losing a lot"

And this is the cycle of lies that Bush people tell themselves. THERE WERE NO AL QAEDA TERRORISTS IN IRAQ BEFORE BUSH INVADED. His advisors that have since quit his cabinet, warned him that he, Bush, would turn Iraq into a terrorist haven if he invaded and that's exactly what happened. Those U.S. soldiers would not have been killed had we never invaded Iraq, try and get that thru your head.

man, you can really tell when summer break from school arrives

Sad but true.


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Yep terrorists, oh wait no they are not terrorists they are just civillians fighting for there own lives....you ovbiously have NO IDEA whats going on

Yep, good intelligent response. When you have no facts to refute with, make a cute remark.

You never say anything that manages to exceed the intellectual capacity of a three year old. Why do you even bother?

You're like a broken record of retardation.

So? You used WMD against Japan, Vietnam and every other country you've been to war with so dont try and take the high moral ground you pathetic brainwashed puke. I thought 12dicks was a brainwashed idiot, but somehow you've taken it to a whole other level.

Just in case you're too dumb to realise it, Iraq was in a war with a Iran, a war where the US supported Iraq. Yes, they supported that evil dictator Saddam. Yes, gas was used against Iran, in a wartime situation and yes, gas was used against the kurds in the same wartime situation because many of them had conspired with the Iranians against the Iraqi state and that qualifies as treason. Many countries, yours included, consider the penalty for treason to be death.

So learn your history sonny. Because you keep dribbling shit and I find your ignorant jingoism irritating.

Correction: The USA used Iraq as a proxy to do a war with Iran, just like they use Ethiopia now to fight a war against Somalia and just like they supply the Christian Lebanese half of government to fight Hamas, and just like they supplied Fatah ( ex ennemy in Palestine ) to fight the elected Hamas gov ....

The USA feeds on wars, whatever they are ....

Iraq was invaded for one reason and one reason only.

After the first Iraq war Bush Senior left Saddam in power. Of course it was out of self interest that he did so but that's neither here nor there. He left Saddam in power.

A few years later Saddam showed his gratitude by trying to assassinate Bush Senior.

Bad move.

Heads of state are not supposed to do that sort of shit. It's that simple.

Where Bush Junior fucked up was by not learning the Vietnam lesson and electing to fight a guerilla war with no exit plan.

That too was just plain dumb.

If Bush Junior has a clue, he would, upon capturing Baghdad, have put one of Saddam's generals in charge and got the fuck out of there. Trust me, that's the way it will be written in the history books.

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how old are you ...

The U.S. _openly_ did that sort of shit until the 1970's when Ford outlawed it, after which Carter reaffirmed it with an executive order of his own. Reagan then promptly ignored when he attempted to bomb Gadhafi's home.

Since the 1970's, the U.S. has justified similar actions by stating that it's _INTERNAL_ policy on assassination is not trumped by its need for self defense... basically meaning the original "no assassination" policy _OF THE UNITED STATES_ (I'm not sure why you think another country would be restricted by U.S. policies in that area) is null and void since it can easily be justified away as "in defense" of the country at any given time.

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If there's one thing that the Bush presidency has shown, imho, it's how gullible and uninformed and sheep-like the American populace - as a whole - really is.

This thread just reminded me of Fahrenheit 911...hmm...

All " contractors " ( soldiers by proxy ) are not counted in that ....

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guantanamo is the biggest joke of all.

silly old man and his retorts :1orglaugh

This reminds me.

It's the last few days to sign the ACLU's petition for their "Day of Action" on June 26.

It addresses the suspension of Habeas Corpus and a couple other issues central to Liberties that have been trampled on as of late.

If you've yet to, you may sign the petition here:

https://secure.aclu.org/site/SPageSe...abeas_petition

Put the alleged terrorists and enemy combatants up in the Plaza Hotel in NYC, give them legions of lawyers from the ACLU, let them tie up our court system, and make the taxpayers pay for it all.

That will show them!

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Do they have schools where this guy is from?

wow, another intelligent response. :1orglaugh

nobody is suggesting anything even close to that .
To begin with we might wanna actually charge the people with crimes BEFORE we stick them in prison..



Only a moron thinks there could ever be a fair system of imprisoning people based on no charges.. DAYUUM

Key word : ALLEGED .....

Five years without trials, kidnapped from foreign soil ...., numerous US courts ( including military ) confirming the illegality of the process .... torture, and so on ...

" Heck of a job....:thumbsup "

Have you ever studied history?

The US did not start the war with Japan. Have you heard of Pearl Harbor?

Instead of ending the war with the bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, would you have preferred a more drawn out ending, with the Japanese fighting to the last gasp and *millions* of Japanese *and* American casualties?

Glad you weren't making that decision.

Thank goodness for Harry Truman.

To fill you in, the Japanese were fanatical and prepared to fight to the bitter end.

took you 4 years to figure that out ? grats. I dont like Bush but im for a better iraq at this point and against a pull out. Last thing the Iraqis need is your pessimism and pitty. Half of you just feel like dissing the US, you dont give a shit about those iraqis :]

:1orglaugh but they are bad guys.. err might be bad guys.. err live near some bad guys.. err they have seen bad guys... err they have heard of bad guys ... ok look they are brown , they wear pajamas in the daytime for geez sake, if that's not guilty i dont know what is..

I have .

in the example you posted above you stated saddam used wmd's against kurds.. you did realise the kurds attacked saddam first . so what your saying here is that its ok to use wmd's if you were attacked first.

p.s. you forgot to mention why they used wmd's on vietnam who certainly didnt attack us first mr history buff :winkwink: ..

i think the real history lesson here is that the MAJORITY of americans are almost never wrong.. When leaders ignore the "majority" of the people , they fuck up..

I'd debate you on that topic (especially the use of "never wrong"), but maybe that's a matter for another time. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

he did say "almost".

you took the words right out of my mouth..

in retrospect though , the statement was a bit bland..

at one point the majority of americans WERE for going to war with iraq, so i guess it doesn't always work lol. Point being is when americans are given the truth they usually decide correctly. i suppose truth is still debateable though

no one wins on this war......

*still reading yours post

Not saying it never happened (or happens) but such acts were (and are) generally regarded by most to be "bad form".

Hell, we didn't even try to kill Hitler directly. During WWII it was an open secret that Adolf spent nearly all his time either in his East Prussian military HQ or in his house in the mountains. So what did we do? We bombed the shit out of his cities but we didn't drop even so much as one bomb anywhere near him until the last two or three months of the war.

Interestingly enough it was JFK and his ceaseless attempts to get rid if Castro that changed the rules for awhile and some would suggest that the manner in which Kennedy subsequently departed from this mortal coil was no coincidence.


Here's the difference. Saddam tried to kill Bush Senior after Bush Senior spared Saddam's life.

That's when it became personal.


I don't know about that. Have you seen Bush Junior's approval ratings lately?

Actually many believe Saddam was starting to trade oil for euros instead of dollars and thats the real reason we went in.

Another thing on the news a couple of weeks ago:

for 4 years now (ever since the war started) Iraq has been missing approx. 100,000 barrels of oil A DAY!! No one knows where it is going to. They actually said " U.S. officials think it is a few corrupt Oil Ministry officials" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Yeah, they're stealing 100,000 barrels of oil a day in their little cars or on the backs of camels!!!

Now the following is not a fact, just an educated guess....Halliburton anyone?

Bush: "Porn is obscene!"

Us: "Not as obscene as the Haliburton profit figures from defense contracts!"

50 terrorists

And with no hint of a trial anytime in the foreseeable future. Those alleged terrorists are going to be locked up for a very long time.

So be it, it just breeds more hate towards the USA. Hate that will ultimately lead to more attacks on US soil and American deaths.