Studies say death penalty deters crime
 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070611/...lty_deterrence

Sounds believable except for one FACT. Texas has led and continue to led the country is executions. If the death penalty deters crime then how come Texas still leads in the number of people executed? Logically the number should have decreased to do the "deterent" effect. By now Texas should be murder free.

A meth addict killing someone while high is NOT thinking about the death penalty. Hell they do a drug made with stuff that has "may cause death if ingested" printed on it.

A guy coming home to find his wife fucking a dude then getting a gun out of a drawer and shooting them in the heat of passion is not thinking "Oh wait I better not kill them I might get the death penelty"

We all know most serial killers are crazy motherfuckers. They certainly are not thinking about the death penelty. The urge to kill for the most insane and bizare reasoning overrides any "I might get the needle" thinking.

By the way if Jeffrey Dahmer has gotten the death pentaly he most likely would still be alive. And when his time came his death would have been much less painful. I'm sure his victims families are happier Jeffrey's death came quicker and more painfully than it would have had he been sentence to death. FACT.

lol jail penalty deters me from crime :p

plus all of my morals etc..

prison anal rape deters me from crime. I would choose the death penelty over life without parloe any day of the week.

Wow, I sure am shocked that you don't understand how death pentaly cases work.

It will never deter everyone - but it might make a lot of people think twice about premeditated murder.

And - just because there are more executions in Texas now than in the past doesn't necessarily mean there are more murderers, just more death sentences being handed out. Now, I'm not sure about the actual murder rates in Texas, but that's not the point here.

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Idiot. Quit stalking me fag.

It's just awesome that GatorB is so stupid he doesn't understand that in most cases death penalties are handed out for first degree murder or muder with aggravating circumstances. Way to use a heat of passion example.

Of course it's the point.

"They count between three and 18 lives that would be saved by the execution of each convicted killer."

Ok so Texas should have no murders. They can't say a+b=c then when the math doesn't work say "Well I didn't mean it that way"

death penalty rocks. i couldn't give a shit if it deters or not - a jury decides beyond a reasonable doubt that you deliberately took another human being's life then you fry - good riddance.

and the argument that we might kill an innocent man one day - i think society can collectively deal with that guilt. not like a hundred people don't die every day that we could have saved but we don't.

No one gets fried anymore. They put you to sleep like you would do to a beloved pet that has terminal cancer.


Thomas Jefferson said "It is better that 100 guilty men go free than one innocent man stands convicted" Hmmm. YOU or Jefferson. Who's words should I take more seriously?

No shit.. practically every time he opens his yap he shows what a moron he is.

My point was that you can't necessarily correlate the number of death penalty sentences (very small number relative to population/all murders) as an indication that the death penalty is or is not deterring murders at large

With today's DNA evidence I would say that now more than ever in history is society close to being 100% certain that a convicted killer actually killed someone.

I'm with Mutt, the death penalty rocks. Too bad they don't have it here in Canuckistan, there are several fuckers who need it bad. This Picton fellow in BC for example. What a sick fuck he is. I would love to see a guy like him fry.

I'd happily throw the switch on that one..

what did he do?

And you've been in Mensa how long? How much Bush cock do you suck?

WTF did I do to you? Um NOTHING. Is that how you treat a fellow human being that has not done a god damed thing to you? What class. What are you 12? Welcome to ignore. Congrats to the winners.

http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Cana...48783-sun.html

http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Cana...48784-sun.html

Not surprising since you put me on ignore elsewhere... you're such a little child... Can't even stand some heat on a message board you're such a loser.

Welcome to ignore? Man, I don't what to say to that. I'm torn between "man that's weak" or "Good strategy, if I'd adopted that gameplan years ago I'd have about 12 GFYers to actually talk to"

:thumbsup

He killed a shit load of hookers... bodies burried all over his pig farm...

Well see you have made your points in a reasonable adult manner so far. Assholes who disagree with me that are only going to support their views with "You're a moron", well I don't have time for that. Why bother reading any more of their posts? I already know what they will say. They will say "you're a moron" This saves me from scrolling. I used to put up with bullshit longer but not anymore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton I'd happily flip the switch as well.

Pshah. What's that old saying, water off a duck's arse? Something like that... anyway, you should seek out and read the title under 12click's name. Here, I'll paraphrase for you, it goes something like this...

"I'm teflon in this industry"


Much wisdom there. I wonder how many are on his ignore list?

Well drug users and prostitutes that don't use condoms are just killing themselves anyways. This is more like assisted suicide. What's the penelty for that?

on this one i'm right and Jefferson is wrong. and this is 2007, when it comes to murder cases the number of innocent men convicted would be 1 in 5,000 not 1 in 100. Jefferson wouldnt sound quite so righteous if he said 'It is better that FIVE THOUSAND guilty men go free than one innocent man stands convicted"

You can't see others ignore lists.

I don't consider this board "industry" Since well a lot of BS goes on here. Except when maybe a sponsor posts here with something.

12clicks is on my ignore lsit. I simply don't like him he knows it. I did't like him even before I got a 5 month ban because he couldn't take a joke. So I'm not sure about that teflon comment from him.

Those women were someone's daughter, sister, cousin, mother etc. I'm thinking they deserve as much a modicum of compassion as any other human. Truthfully, are they lower on the scale of worth than porn peddlers? What about hardcore content women and would-be pornstarlettes?

If you're against the death penalty that's one thing, and perfectly fine and within your right, but I suggest you take another tack in your argument on this particular issue. Because the "Ah well, good riddance, they were all sluts anyway" one you're putting forth is downright ignorant. :disgust

Sorry but a person that uses stuff like meth should just kill themselves and save everyone some agony. Yeah drug abuses are somone something and they care so little about their parents sisters friends they abuse drugs. My compassion lies with the children, family and friends they continually hurt with their destructive behavior.

Prostitution I think should be legal and I make a huge distinction between a girl working in legal brothel in Nevada and a crack whore sukcing stranger cock for a $5 crack rock.

I'm not 100% against the death penetly. Just the way it's been used since it's inception.

I'll agree that the drug use and abuse and the cycle of prostitution for drug money equalling a long slow death is a valid point, but still... no one "deserves" to be murdered.

Well, no one except the murderer himself.

An extreme serial killer like Pickton deserves to be killed and then revived and killed again, once for every life he took.

It has been said that he fed many of the bodies to his pigs, and later gave cuts of that pork to friends and nieghbors to eat.

Lovely fellow.

Do you think rest of his life in a little cell getting shit for food is nicer than being killed which takes roughly 30 seconds and then its over?

I do not get that logic... even if its painful death, its not going to take long, so how is that better than sticking the guy in a tiny cell where he hopes he would day every day but doesn't?

It's too bad there's no death sentence, but there is no penalty that is strong enough to serve as a deterrent to sick fucks like that.

The only reason to allow those psychos to live is to study them in order to determine what causes them to do the shit they do.

in your usual "i'm really not very smart, but please tolerate me because i'm too dumb to know better" style of posting... you use what only a retarded wombat, drunk on elephant piss and rotten berries would call "logic" to draw moronic conclusions.

how come Texas leads the states in executions?

uhmm.. what were you expecting? a 20-way tie?

as for your other arguments.... Murder 1 requires premeditation. has absolutely nothing to do with the heat of the moment and any other similarly idiotic argument.

having a state be number 1 doesn't say anything at all about deterrence. since you are not talking about an increase or decrease or any change supported by actual stats, a rational mind might think that Texas being number 1 simply suggests that more capital murder cases are sucessfully prosecuted in Texas. since the article says nothing at all about Texas.. you don't win a prize :(

Well for one thing it offers some semblance of closure and even a kind of comfort in a way to the family and those who were close to the killer's victim or victims as the case may be.

For another, putting a waste of oxygen to death like this Pickton fellow saves society in all likelihood somewhere in the 1-2 million dollar range.

When the crime is that extreme I'm of the mind that justice should leave no chance whatsoever for him to ever go free nor have the ability to find even the smallest comfort or enjoyment in life. Why keep feeding and clothing a piece of shit murderer and allow him access to TV and radio and even the right to fucking VOTE now when all they really merit is a needle and a pine box?

So it seems we have at least one thing in common, because I also do not "get" your logic.

who hopes they would die everyday? do you think 99.9% of death row inmates are appealing and appealing and appealing and dragging things out for 5-10 years or more because they are hoping to die everyday? the actual number of cases where death row inmates wanted to die right away has been very few and most seem to think that death is decidedly more inconvenient than a jail cell... hence the penalty of death.

True, spending loads of money on the guy sucks, so make cheaper prisons for them, and who ever said give them the right to TV radio or even vote? I said put him in a small cell with crappy food.

I simply beleive that taking anyones life is illegal, even (sadly) of a murderer. I do understand your point of view, I do not understand where its a bigger penalty for the murderer to just kill him than to stick him in a tiny cell until he dies of age or decease.

Yes, it might be a kind of comfort or closure for a victim's family or friends, but I am not so sure for how long. It doesn't bring back the victim... At some point you will get back to just being sad that you have lost someone and not anymore happy that the murderer was killed...

It all depends on how convenient the jail cell is ;)

That's not what happens in the real world though, at least not in Canada anyway. Who said it? That's the way it is... TV, radio, books, magazines, exercise time, the right to vote, 3 squares a day and it's certainly no worse than hospital food (which sometimes actually isn't half bad grub).

That kind of confinement is fine for lesser criminals, but not nearly punishment enough for murders, in my opinion of course.

This is where people who share your view just don't seem to get it. Foir how long? Permanent, as in forever, that's how long. I brings comfort in knowing that they will never again be able to kill another human or take any life for that matter, nor breath the same air as the rest of us. Period. Being dead means they won't be able to murder even a fellow inmate, and it is a 100% guarantee that the scum that took away the son/daughter/dad/mom etc will never be free nor even have the possibility or remote CHANCE of being paroled.

I understand and see what your saying and your point of view is noted, and in fact I know your point of view backwards and forwards because it's been put forth by many before you. I just don't agree with it and never will, so there's really no sense in you quoting what I say and then trying to convince me that your POV is the right one.

Better to just post your opinion and leave it at that, no?

Anyway, have a good night, I'm out like a light here. :D

Where did I say I am talking about the real world? I just said do not simply kill them, put them in a tiny cell with crappy food. Whats so hard to understand? Killing is way too easy...

gay anal rape... that's an old SNL line.. love it though.

Since what you're saying isn't going to happen, your comment is rather pointless no? Then again, neither is reinstating the death penalty in Canada likely to happen anytime soon, which I suppose renders my opinion a tad moot as well.

So we're even.

again, punk, you were banned for forgetting your place.
as a surfer, you do not lie about any of the businesses here.
Its that simple. you can post all day about your simple ideas, just never forget your place.

DNA evidence: you pick up a woman in a club for a one night stand, have wild, unprotected sex, she scratches your back during intercourse, leaves after sex, gets raped and murdered on the way home by a stranger, you fry, the rapist/murderer never gets arrested.

Loads of people deserve death, society just can't be trusted to dish it out to the right people.

If people are crazy enough to murder others, then they are crazy enough not to think of their own life...