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Juicy D. Links 06-07-2007 07:42 PM

Programmers : Who is good with Markov Chains?
 
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WiredGuy 06-07-2007 07:45 PM

You're doing stochastic / probability analysis?!
WG

Pornwolf 06-07-2007 07:55 PM

Hey, you guys are using big words again. Can you give your old country bumpkin cousin Pornwolf a hand understanding what you mean?

Achmed 06-07-2007 07:57 PM

infidels all over this place

WiredGuy 06-07-2007 08:13 PM

its a means to predict how something will react, in the case of programming, it has to do with the present, future and past states (all independent). Given independent states at time n, the probability that the program will move to state x at time n+1.

Basically, predicting what states a program will move to in the future given the past, present and future possible states. Mostly used in forecasting runtimes and other crazy shit.

I apparently went to university for 5 years to say that and will never ever use it. LOL
WG

woj 06-07-2007 08:14 PM

... and I thought it's some bondage toy... :-/



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munki 06-07-2007 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12565003)
its a means to predict how something will react, in the case of programming, it has to do with the present, future and past states (all independent). Given independent states at time n, the probability that the program will move to state x at time n+1.

Basically, predicting what states a program will move to in the future given the past, present and future possible states. Mostly used in forecasting runtimes and other crazy shit.

I apparently went to university for 5 years to say that and will never ever use it. LOL
WG

But at least you got to say it... epenis+1

Pornwolf 06-07-2007 08:23 PM

Probablility that a program will move? So, do you mean like if TCG will move their program from Ft. Lauderdale to Ontario?

How can you predict that? Wouldn't you have to call Laura Lee or something?

edgeprod 06-07-2007 08:43 PM

We built Markov Chains into the new version of Autoblogger Pro Stand Alone, and have it enabled as a "beta" function for select users.

WiredGuy 06-07-2007 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf (Post 12565051)
Probablility that a program will move? So, do you mean like if TCG will move their program from Ft. Lauderdale to Ontario?

How can you predict that? Wouldn't you have to call Laura Lee or something?

:1orglaugh

From a blackhat SEO perspective, you can think of Markov Chains as a statistical method that analyzes the relationship between adjacent words in a document.

For example, with markov chains, a SE can deduct that a page which contains only nouns, probably is a spam page. Using the markov chains, once you see a noun, you know that within a few additional words there must be a verb based on the probability model of the English language. Alas, the birth of keyword density and the reason stuffing keywords is no longer useful.

If I write a spam page using markov chains, a SE can?t ban my pages through an automated prorgam, although an editor could clearly see it was spam.

PS: As an SEO its good to figure out how to stop SE spam in order to figure out how to circumvent it :)

WG

Pornwolf 06-07-2007 08:58 PM

Definitely.

I always thought Markov paragraphs could be spotted at times by bots.

It's gibberish. At the very most you have 1 day before someone reports you if you make the first page for any term using that... right?

WiredGuy 06-07-2007 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf (Post 12565209)
Definitely.

I always thought Markov paragraphs could be spotted at times by bots.

It's gibberish. At the very most you have 1 day before someone reports you if you make the first page for any term using that... right?

I'm not sure to be honest, I haven't done keyword stuffing in nearly 10 years.
WG

TheDoc 06-07-2007 09:05 PM

WG always to give the professional input :)

Using the Markov Chain isn't very productive seo these days as WG said. But it still is a tool used to count words, re-order those words on math, and assist you with creating different text with groups of related paragraphs and keywords. These days you need other tools to help complete the logic, including human interaction to be fully seo effective.

Part of the possible advantages to translations.

Pornwolf 06-07-2007 09:06 PM

10 years? Shiiiit!

Lord knows what kind of advanced Jedi force you are using on the bots now a days.

TheDoc 06-07-2007 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf (Post 12565209)
Definitely.

I always thought Markov paragraphs could be spotted at times by bots.

It's gibberish. At the very most you have 1 day before someone reports you if you make the first page for any term using that... right?

Bots can spot it due to error - but if the logic is correct it's very hard. Even humans can be fooled.

Using anything like this is blackhat, and could get you reported. You should always mask what you are doing through bot detection, redirects, ect.

Pretty_Lara 06-07-2007 09:56 PM

all doorways already banned even with Markov Chains ...

WiredGuy 06-07-2007 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf (Post 12565238)
10 years? Shiiiit!

Lord knows what kind of advanced Jedi force you are using on the bots now a days.

I've integrated myself into the Google Matrix. I think of a keyword and insert myself directly into the results. Shabang!
WG

Pornwolf 06-07-2007 10:12 PM

Wow, WG... I knew you must be doing something right to make $20 million a year but I didn't think it was that easy.

Think, keyword... boom.

Damn, that's hot.

TheJimmy 06-07-2007 11:07 PM

Damm I had to look at the graphics and color of this forum to remember I wasn't on synd...k....ate

CaptainHowdy 06-07-2007 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12565486)
I've integrated myself into the Google Matrix. I think of a keyword and insert myself directly into the results. Shabang!
WG

FUCK !!

datatank 06-07-2007 11:24 PM

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OzMan 06-07-2007 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12564870)
You're doing stochastic / probability analysis?!
WG

never judge by appearances :1orglaugh

fatdicksimon 06-08-2007 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf (Post 12565209)
Definitely.

I always thought Markov paragraphs could be spotted at times by bots.

It's gibberish. At the very most you have 1 day before someone reports you if you make the first page for any term using that... right?

I dunno. IMHO, I think the easily spotted markov generated content is due to not having a large enough lexicon to build the content from. If you generate a huge lexicon and use markov chaining to generate content from it, you would be surprised by how 'real' the generated content looks.

bDok 06-08-2007 12:50 AM

used some in some scraper sites.


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