The War on terror - have we won?
 

As we know, 9/11 marked the beginning of the "war on terror".

Thankfully, since then, no atrocities anywhere near that scale have been perpuated against us.

Do you think that 9/11 could ever be "beaten" (from a terrorist's perspective)?

And when, if ever, can we declare victory?

Discuss.

We made a mistake when we declared war on a noun, imho.

Granted, there are acts that we should never accept as "ok," but terrorism will always be. One person's terrorist is another person's revolutionary.

Of course it can't be won. Not while there's rampant liberalism. You can't pacify a population trying to make friends with them. Take a page out of the Roman or Nazi hand books and start crushing the civilian population.

IED attack on US soldiers? Helicopter gunship response on a Mosk. Suicide bombers in the market? Cruise missile response on a school. Eventually they'll smarten up or just die.

We're probably closer to winning the War on drugs.

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As weird and disturbing as it looks, it's the true. This is how Israel succesfully fights aginst terrorists.
Don't start something you can't finish. You will only make it worse.

The "war on Terror" is as fake as the "War on Drugs"

The War is being created by US foreign policy... support for corrupt and criminal govt s around the world....

US govt can end war in a few hours...

Ring Isreal...." No support for you guys unless all Palestinians have justice"

End illegal blockade of Cuba, slash military spending and start aid program for water, food, job and house for every human on the planet...

Support science, allow free debate to expose religious ideas as feudal and backward.

Support sexual freedom, freedom for consenting adults to do whatever they want in their own space, womens' rights,

Noam Chomsky to have his own TV channel...

Every country in the world to have 50% TV from the outside world to get different perspective..:2 cents:

Spoken like a true Repuke who thinks war can solve everything. Wars are not won by people getting tired of losing battles as you seem to think.

Bingo. Time's will change, the balance of power will shift, and perhaps it will be 'normal' to call the US a terrorist state (as we all know, some groups already do, but the difference is in legitimate power - ie, relatively few governments would publicly be calling the US a terrorist state right now).

It's all about what's normal. The 'West' has held the balance of power, has been 'normal' as defined by the opinions of the majority. It's all about perspective!

The whole war on a noun issue I find fascinating as well.... how exactly do you start a conventional war on one side with the other side lacking land boundaries, without state players in most cases, and expect to have a winner?

How much did that one cost to the tax payers ????

And how much did it bring back the drug cartel ....

U mean war on oil?

bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity

it's right up there on the success level of the War on Drugs.

If its still used as a scare tactic then no its not.

I still cant believe America voted this guy president, 2 fucking times!

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if by won you mean eliminating the competition to make way for our own domestic terrorism, sure, we're well on our way. but more and more and more i think about it, i have to ask the questions:who are the terrorists now? who really instigated the battle? were the people behind the 9/11 hijackings really the evil beings the media makes them out to be? or were they just defending a way of life already attacked by western influence? what is right? what is wrong? why the fuck should i care?

the war on terror isn't occuring on any ground, not in america, not in the middle east. the war on terror is a battle of the self, it's happening in YOUR mind, can you win the battle for yourself? will you let yourself be terrorized?

Yeah...the war on terror has been so successful - it now has Amnesty International representatives on the street corners in Canada attempting to close down Guantanamo.

Way to go, George. :thumbsup (dumbass)

Yeah.. uh.. cause Israel doesn't have any terrorism problems..

Are you insane?

oh.. sarcasm?

If you read my post again you'll see how much you're assuming. I never said war can solve everything. What I said is if you go to war, you have to go to war and not some half assed nation building.

Sterilize every human man, woman and child on the planet and the "war on terror" will be over after a few generations .... at least until evolution finds a way through that sterilization process.

*shrug*

It's the war on cheap oil.

Nobody wins in war.

of course its not a "war" where victory can ever be declared. todays world is a world where terrorists have no where to hide, no where to hide their money, no reliable way to move money, few reliable ways to finance and fund their actions, no where to openly train in camps etc etc etc.

saying progress hasn't been made against terrorism when you compare the before and after... is pretty silly.

why do you care? you're not even american

progress in the way of stopping planes from crashing into american skyscrapers sure, but terrorism comes in all shapes & forms and terror can be spread through many venues. if you define terrorists solely as disgruntled middle-easterners crashing carbombs and hijacked airplanes into shit, maybe there ha sbeen slight progression made, but even on that level there is hardly a nick in the rope. there has been NO progress in stopping true terrorism in my opinion. this again raises the question... who are the terrorists now? do you not think thousands and thousands of innocent iraqi civilians see the american military occupation of their land and cities as terrorism? it's just too broad a term, and that is what makes it an impossible "war" to be won.

all we do is wipe one form of terrorism to make pathway for another. hell, the american people are terrorized on a daily basis by their own media/government. is there really any threat of terror in the united states on a day to day basis beyond the terror instilled it's people on a day to day basis through the 6'o clock news?

terrorism can hide in any small corner of society, in any nation, with lots of money, or no money at all, work at walmart, learn to build a bomb out of household items surfing the internet. hell, if it were my agenda, I could easily blow up a bomb in a government building without anyone having ever seen it coming. your neighbours grandma could be a "terrorist" for all anyone knows.

the only way to win the war on terrorism, is to remove the word terror from the english language. this is the only way we will ever make "terror" non-existant...

the solution to iraq, an iraq that can goveren itself,substain itself, and defend itself is more than a milatary mission, that precisely why i'm sending more troops there.

gwb...2007

I wasn't aware it was over.

the only war on terror is getting israel to fuck off out of palestines land

One thing that concerns me is our reliance on (electric) power.

Take that away, and we are all, well, screwed. And I'm not talking about just us webmasters!

And the North American grid is hardly the most robust in the world...

Were'nt there some major outages last year?

Why do you breathe ? you're not even intelligent

The 'War on Terror' is actually Americans fighting to get their freedoms back since Bush's administration has quietly and effectively taken them away. Its too bad many haven't realized that when Bush says 'Protection', he's really taking away freedoms and rights.

The 'War on Terrorism' isn't going so well however. Iraq is still in shambles. The US cannot pull out for many years, and the US $ will continue to plummet due to the funding this war is costing.

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i know they are old, but damn, still funny

Seriously, fuck Palestine. People should know when they're conquered already.

What do Arab muslims do when they're left on their own? Absolutely fucking nothing useful. They live on top of valuable oil, which they can't even pump by themselves for the most part. Seriously, what kind of contributions have they made to modern medicine, science or well anything?

The Jews on the other hand are pretty inventive little buggers and make all kinds of useful things. So as a strictly "how do they improve my life" analysis, seriously, fuck Palestine.

The question is : Have they won ? :winkwink:

i am guessing this response was a weird stab at irony.

The War on Terror is not going to end any time soon. Not until American citizens use democracy to their advantage. Seems to me like this war is really just a cleaver ruse to slowly strip Americans of their rights and freedoms. But their citizens won't realize what is going on until it is way too late. Guantanamo is a perfect example of what I am talking about. Holding prisoners against their will and without due process just because they say they are terrorists? These are special courts where the judges are already admitting that they do not possess the proper jurisdiction to prosecute. They have no appeal system in place yet either. Not that it matters anyways because even if the courts find these people innocent, they are not going anywhere anyways.

Just this week a Canadian kid who is accused of killing an American soldier when he was just a boy was acquitted on a technicality yet he will remain in prison most likely for the rest of his life because the American government could care less about rights. Sadly, the Canadian government has done little to help this kid out.

So, is the war on terrorism over? Hell no, it never will be. The laws that have been put in place allow the government to do whatever they want. I'd venture a guess that until the government has a file on everyone, the war on terror will wage on.

How can one win a war on something they create more of the more they fight it?

No atrocities near that scale had happened before 9/11 either... the war on terror is just a catchy slogan for the US gov't to pursue interests in the middle east.

Great way to spread freedom and liberty, lol...

are you serious? :1orglaugh