Non-nude underage sites are illegal
 

Looks like Jim from Life Styles Photo is facing life in prison:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/737804.asp?0dm=C15QN

ouch..that sucks

Said it long ago, about time.

LOL funny pics.. you see a blur of the cops goin out the door.

:thumbsup

Seems like they're going to make an example of him.

But, play with fire...

What do they expect from using girls aged 8 - 14. I wondered how long it would be before those ped magnets got busted.
Pity they can't do something about the Russian shit too, but I guess those guys are rubbing their hands together now.

A new niche? Webmasters-getting-arrested-live-webcams?

"ALL THREE CASES involve operators of ?model? sites who crossed the legal line, either by possessing child pornography ? a violation of federal law " well, there was real KP in it.. so yeah, he's going to jail.

I've seen non-nude sites promoting Tawnee Stone and Lightspeed sites, it's been posted on their webmaster board too, I'm surprised they allow it :(

There is nothing in this article that says that "non-nude sites are illegal."

Each case has more involved than just your basic underage model site.

If there is real cp involved it has nothing to do with what is seriously becoming a problem and that is the underage niche.

Now if congress can enact some sort of law that will deal with this issue without violating civil rights then great.

But I seriously doubt this...even with the nude underage sites at this point in time as long as their is no gratuitous display of genitals or any sexual overtones then all the photographer has to claim is it's art and if he can prove that then he may win on appeal.

Is that the same guy that shoots for SC? I saw a link on their support board a while back that he got busted for CP.

Good stuff
Lock up those child abuser.
Those kinda people have a hard time in prison

All I can say is what a dumb ass...

DITTO

I was referriong to the countless posts I have made on this subject and thread after thread I started about it.

I no longer argue it.

I said it long ago, they should be illegal, that is true.

they make a lot too

A person under the age of 18 cannot sign a consent form without their parent's approval. That law is on the books. In order to have their photos taken and sold for profit on the internet, they must at least sign a model release form. Are their parents co-signing?

And on a subjective note, the article reads, "including some as young as 8 or 9 ? wearing revealing attire and striking suggestive poses." If you have to look at 8 year old girls to get off there's something wrong.. and a 12 year old girl in fishnets isn't art.

I said it before and I'll say it again, as in many walks of life, there is a terrible understanding of the law in the adult industry. Misconception and misunderstanding can lead to a lot of trouble.

so,,,, this site(or this kind of site) is illegal?
http://www.thenntgp.com/

Why does it suck to lock up a CP piece of shit? Explain to me how shutting down crap like that "sucks".

Money will make and break you :)

Well that is part of the issue.
If not then they are in violation of laws other than running a "non-nude" site.

I've already answered this in my post. CP does not = nude.
You can photograph a fully clothed minor but if you focus and zoom in on the genitals you can be charged and convicted for producing cp, it's all about context.

If the guys were taking photographs that are judged to be gratuitous in nature they will get the punishment they deserve.

Now regarding art your example of a 12 year old in fishnets is a bit one sided.
We all know the implied sexual overtones of any female in fishnets.
Now if you have a completely nude girl even younger than 18 in an environment that does not scream sex, that might be considered art. We can judge on an individual basis that it is not art, but it will be up to the supreme court to judge on a constitutionality basis and they have already done so.

Yep there is a terrible misunderstanding of law in this industry and this does not exclude you.

I agree they should be illegal and shutdown!

People that profit from this are the WORST SCUM!


I think CCBILL & IBILL should take the initiative and STOP proccesing for these sites, since 90% of them bill with these two companys.

Of course they wont, we all know there making Big $$$$$ from it.

"Grady, 42, has pleaded innocent to 886 felony counts of violating a state statute against sexual exploitation of children"

Damn, that's ALOT of counts...

sorry man wasn't trying to bring you back into the debate :)

I just hate to see such a misleading post by one of the leaders in the adult industry...that being Lensman.

The problem still exists and will continue to exist unless someone makes common sense legislation that actually attacks the issues, the problems and doesn't do a wholesale sweep of constitutional rights under the rug.

Who says we allow it?

from the Lightspeedcash FAQ/Terms page:

"However, we do not allow links from password trading/hacking/warez sites, or any site that promotes or depicts beastiality, rape, torture, underage models or content, or any other illegal or unethical content."


I don't link to anyone from any of my sites that has any questionable content, and I have terminated lots of webmasters for violating our terms.

Steve Lightspeed

If these sites were taken down for legal reasons, then the billing companies, which charge for access to these sites, are accessories to the crimes as well as dealers in that they buy wholesale and sell retail.

Further.. thanks to a nephew of mine who I booted off of my system, I saw that the teen chat rooms on Yahoo, and probably other servers are loaded with 12 and 14 year old girls that are constantly flashing for the boys, who are probably lots of old sick fucks goin into the rooms posing as teen boys. It may be ok for my nephew in that he's 15, but not on my system.. no way.. no how..

I didn't say that you allowed it, I just followed a link posted by one of the LS webmasters to a NN site that had Tawnee banners on it, he was asking questions on the board with his link for all to see.

Maybe you did shut him down, I dunno. It was a couple of months ago.

Non Nude does not mean under 18 ;)

Don't confuse the bad nonnude sites with the good nonnude sites. There are a few nonnude sites that only list galleries of sponsor content that shows obviously legal girls in bras and panties. These sites are good for webmasters since the less nudity you show in your gallery...the more likely the surfer is to click through to the actual site to see the nudity.

Ex. You make a free site full of Lightspeed galleries of Tawnee Stone and XXX Raimi in bra and panty shots. The conversions on this traffic would be great.

I've been thinking of making a nonnude site like this for a while now. Using Lightspeed galleries and the content from a couple other sponsors.

^ I've been doing this for a long time and it works well even though I don't get a lot of traffic. I used to have snapshots of girls 16-18 on my site (I started my non-nude "career" when I was 17), and I even promoted Jim Grady's sites for awhile (don't tell the FBI) but in the end I could see why most people equate non-nude sites with child porn, and I finally changed all my sites to 18+ content and adult sponsors.

I think what people are complaining about are sites like Teenplanet.org that continue to use underage content, while simply switching sponsors from True Teen Babes/True Teen Cams to Tawnee Stone, etc.

Well - IMHO most preteen stuff is plain brainfucking, are they popular?
Look at numberZ:

http://inventory.overture.com/d/sear...ateurpages.com
77821

http://inventory.overture.com/d/sear...teenplanet.org
6132

That's 10x more typein/SE traffic to 'forced traffic' site compared to teen stuff.

Those sites are not popular (replace ?term= to your non nude teen favorite and see),
Some forces are just brainwashing ppl and getting this shit out to the press.
Ppl need busty nice looking babes and not CP.

Latest development in this story:


"Grady Acquitted of Child Porn Charges"

http://www.avn.com/articles/11942.html

blast from the past.

I don't support CP in anway but I did see that comming.. They need to change the law not try and fudge existing statues..

The wrost fucking part is that when you click on the link, a fucking FLASH window opens up with an underage model trying to sell a mobile phone.

love some teenz :D

Exactly

I"ll all about 1st amendment freedoms, and if these guys had just been non-nude site operaters, i'd be furious about these arrests. However, from the sounds of that article, all these guys were actual sickos who had real child porn on their hard-drives, even if they weren't selling it on their sites.


I hope these guys get solidary cells, cuz no one, no matter how bad a person, deserves what happens to kiddie porn pedaphiles in prison.

anyone that gets off looking at a ten year old in a swimsuit needs a bullet to the head.

So should stores stop selling bikinis to underage girls? For they are encouraging girls to look too sexy while they are at the beach. Should there be seperate pools & beaches...one for adults & one for kids?

all circle jerk sites should be illegal!

I always report sites that have questionable content - no matter what! Sometimes I let the webmaster know about my intentions in hope that he'll come around and see my point of view and to date I've been very successful in getting these sites to change they're content.

Actually I have a 100% success rate!

What I do is tell them that I'm a well know, respected webmaster in the adult community and that unless they remove the content in question that they are going to hear from the adult industry <YOU!!!>. Of course most of these sites don't actually have child porn but they where very suggestive.

I have to tell you that at times I've wonder what I would do if someone called my bluff since I know for a fact that most of you don't like to get involved in shit like this.

Anyway - buddy thought that he would get away with taking advantage of under age girls/boys and personally I believe that it will help those kids in the future - knowing that this pervert is behind bars I mean.

Good job - keep taking those bastards down! :thumbsup

Regards
NastyJack

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"? including some as young as 8 or 9 ? wearing revealing attire and striking suggestive poses"

That kind of says it all :feels-hot :feels-hot

I totally agree all Non-nude "underage" sites should be illegal !

This article was written July 11, 2002 and CC Bill has done made sure to clean up and not process for any sites that promote any Non nude sites that promote underage models !

Please do not think all non nude sites have under age models !

Non Nude is a niche and there are a lot legal Non Nude sites and Non Nude webmasters that are respected for not trading with underage Non Nude sites !

Lensman posted this 08-26-2002 09:56 PM ....... so this is old news !

Dude you are that dense aren't you?

Did you not read the article that says he was "NOT GUILTY?"

That he was acquitted of all charges.

Not one girl testified that he did anything wrong, and the one girl that started the whole mess by claiming she was 17 when he took nude photos of her and touched her was proven to be a liar.

Wake up and smell the crack you're smoking boy.

too bad.

Sorry man but that's a broad stroke to be painting.

In America we have this thing called the constitution and it protects all kinds of speech including the speech we don't like or agree with.

I think every case should be judged on it's own merits. If a site has been found to be crossing the line then go after the bastards with a vengance.

NJ, you are a complete idiot. First of all he was found not guilty. Second, you report sites that are questionable. Any site is questionably illegal in the adult world and when you piss on enough webmasters have fun when they all claim shit about your site. You had rape sites linked on your site for a fact a while back yet you turn people in YOU think have questionable content.

GO FUCK YOURSELF WITH A RUSTY FUCKING POLE DIPSHIT.