FACT: Abraham Lincoln was a republican.
 

So fuck you. :)

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he freed them watchamacallits

Bump for the truth. This vast left wing conspiracy must be exposed.

Yep, and it seems he's in line with today's Republicans in favor of violating civil rights.

He was also a homosexual.

depends on what you call 'republican' i guess.. the republicans of ww2 were a lot different than what they are now

I thought the republican party was a LOT different back then, what the republican party is now, is what the whig party was back then.

He was a LIBERAL republican.

He makes an excellent automobile... I own a navigatoer that he made.

Yep... The Republican Party of today is vastly different than the Republican party of History. It was created to stop the expansion of slavery.... now, it seems that "fighting terrorism" is its main goal.

This is due to many reasons, but none as significant as Reagan, who for all intents and purposes reinvented the party in the 1980's - changing it into a totally different animal than it was before.

A guy named Gould wrote a pretty solid book on the subject of the evolution of the Republican Party - he's a professor... I think from Harvard, if I remember correctly.

He noted that the only real uniformity in the party throughout its time has been its dislike for Democrats. :)

i'd hit lincoln's corpse:2 cents:

Well then, this thread sure blew up in the face of the hick Republican.

FACT: All of the US founding fathers would be supporting the Democrats today.

Nonsense, the founding fathers would support someone like Ron Paul (small government, strict constitutionalist, stay out of foreign entanglements, etc).

People delude themselves that Republicans and Democrats are so different, they're not, both parties are pretty much the same...career politicians (something the founding fathers would be repulsed at), who allow themselves to be bought by any lobbyist or special interest group. Politicians no longer serve the electorate, they serve the money machine that needs to be fed to keep them in office, and the founding fathers would bitch-slap 98% of the politicians that are in Washington right now.

Actually, they wouldn't be supporting anyone. Both parties spend a lot and expand government every chance they get. Neither party was for this much government power back in the day.

The big issue back then was state rights vs federal rights, something we have already figured out for the most part.

Oh BS. Jefferson was all about this "small government" talk BEFORE he became President. After he became president he expanded the federal governments role greatly. Hell he's made the Louisianna Purchase. Which he himself didn't thnk was within his rights constitutionally but he did it anyways.

Did you see the news today on the Today show?

Hillary Clinton failed the bar exam after she graduated law school !

FDR was a staunch conservative until his third term then he did a 180 !

Most of his New Deal programs were before 1941. Social Security was passed in 1935. If that wasn't big goernment I don't know what is.

Wasn't FDR elected in 1928 ?

Do the math - third term he did a 180 !

I stand corrected. FDR signed SS in his second term but the payments started in his third term.

The fact still remains FDR was a conservative until 7-8 years in !

Jefferson did believe in small government for domestic issues, deferring to states governments, but also believed in a larger body to handle foreign issues. The Louisianan Purchase, was just to good of a deal to pass up. A country needs to think about having the resources to expand and the purchase was just a sound call on his part.

As for the founding fathers, Jefferson was not the only founding father, and using him as the sole reason to yelp "Oh BS" is kind of silly. Many of The Founding Fathers if juxtaposed into today's society would ally themselves with the Libertarians.

Sure there'd be some that could fall into the democratic party, some that would fall in the republican party, but to make a blanket statement like, "FACT: All of the US founding fathers would be supporting the Democrats today." Is just wrong.

As for the current state of politics...well, one can only hope the founding fathers would not approve of what's going on...as for me, I don't approve of the way partisan politics is ruining America. Democrats, Republicans, they both care more about their party then they do about the nation.

what he said. Our father fathers would never side with Dems or Rep. Both parties have you fooled into thinking they are different. :2 cents:

A round of applause for Mr. Blue

They are supposed to keep that stuff under their hats and see if she actually got nominated.. :disgust:winkwink:

That's not true. Jefferson was always a strict anti-Federalist. The Louisiana Purchase was one of the few things that Jefferson did that required him to bend his beliefs. He did it primarily for national defense, as he feared a French invasion from New Orleans and knew how important that port was to the country. He was going to try and make it a constitutional amendment, but didn't have time because of the timeframe Napolean gave him to make the purchase.

Other than that, he was 100% for states rights and clashed with everyone from Hamilton over the National Bank to Justice Marshall on just about every issue that came to the courts. He impeached Federalist judges and even threatened Marshall at one time. He tried to increase the Supreme Court too so that he could stack it with anti-Federalists.

You sir need to check your lip at the door, shit wont be tolerated here.

I think personal underlying issues are emerging from your loin



but, maybe the emancipation proclamation was just a love for the black cock...?!?!?

No 1932. You don't even have your facts straight. Herbert Hoover was elected in 1928.