Originally Posted by corvette (Post 12508616)

hit, feel free to icq me, i can put you in touch with the people that can answer your questions:

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 12510008)

Bump for Disney-like bondage.

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 12512558)

Based upon the rules that are laid out by CCBill there is almost no bondage site that would ever be approved by them. They would have to be breaking their own rules almost every time they approve a bondage site, unless the models are happily bound by silly string and laughing on camera.

As soon as a model is tied up and appears to be struggling or uncomfortable in any way, then it is considered "non-consensual" bondage.

Once you comply with their regulations it would have to be obvious that the model is happy to be bound up (which is just bizarre), after which point sex while bound is also taboo, so I don't know what the scene would be. Once the model appears to struggle while bound, then it no longer appears "consensual" so there you have it.

For a bondage site to accept CCBill as their biller someone is breaking the rules as far as I can tell. I have now visited a number of bondage sites that use CCBill as a payment option, and none of them would pass based upon their restrictions, so I am now more confused than I was before I looked into this.

Anyone have any further thoughts on this?

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 12512558)

Based upon the rules that are laid out by CCBill there is almost no bondage site that would ever be approved by them. They would have to be breaking their own rules almost every time they approve a bondage site, unless the models are happily bound by silly string and laughing on camera.

As soon as a model is tied up and appears to be struggling or uncomfortable in any way, then it is considered "non-consensual" bondage.

Once you comply with their regulations it would have to be obvious that the model is happy to be bound up (which is just bizarre), after which point sex while bound is also taboo, so I don't know what the scene would be. Once the model appears to struggle while bound, then it no longer appears "consensual" so there you have it.

For a bondage site to accept CCBill as their biller someone is breaking the rules as far as I can tell. I have now visited a number of bondage sites that use CCBill as a payment option, and none of them would pass based upon their restrictions, so I am now more confused than I was before I looked into this.

Anyone have any further thoughts on this?

Originally Posted by Katinka (Post 12513106)

I run my own personal bondage/fetish site under CCBill Eu with no problems at all, and I have everything from pretty bondagees to hardcore sex and bondage on my site

Originally Posted by FetishTom (Post 12513140)

I really would advise people in these instances to talk directly and privately to CCBill (or whoever the Billing Company happens to be) about these issues...or if they are experiencing no problems then not to advertise the fact too much

Originally Posted by corvette (Post 12512807)

BFT3K, as we spoke about, we cannot process for content of models that are struggling, appear be held against their will, rape or abduction content, that sort of thing

however, this is not necessarily all bondage

Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 12521805)

You've just demonstrated CCBill's utter lack of grasp and understanding of what bondage is all about. Ironically, what you just described as current 'don'ts' is what helped make CCBill a ton of money in previous years.

Of course, I understand you have to march to the beat dictatated by Visa International and other CC entities - but lately there has been a vast chasm between those edicts and how CCBill has been interpreting them.

And a LOT of inconsistencies amongst webmasters/websites.

Its the inconsistencies that are pissing most of us off lately. Yet CCBill has failed miserably at acknowledging this.

Reference Lorelei and BedroomBondage.com to get a basic understanding of what I talk of. She has kept many of us up-to-date lately on BondagePhotography Yahoo group about the B.S. she's had to deal with concerning CCBill.

Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 12521805)

You've just demonstrated CCBill's utter lack of grasp and understanding of what bondage is all about. Ironically, what you just described as current 'don'ts' is what helped make CCBill a ton of money in previous years.

Of course, I understand you have to march to the beat dictatated by Visa International and other CC entities - but lately there has been a vast chasm between those edicts and how CCBill has been interpreting them.

And a LOT of inconsistencies amongst webmasters/websites.

Its the inconsistencies that are pissing most of us off lately. Yet CCBill has failed miserably at acknowledging this.

Reference Lorelei and BedroomBondage.com to get a basic understanding of what I talk of. She has kept many of us up-to-date lately on BondagePhotography Yahoo group about the B.S. she's had to deal with concerning CCBill.

Originally Posted by corvette (Post 12522004)

Just to be sure we are on the same page here, we are talking about sites that depict men finding women, abducting them, tying them up and *fantasy* raping them, or of a similar variation. We are not talking about content like the bondage pics you occasionally post on this board.

Originally Posted by Me

Dear Mr -----,

Thank you for your reply. It seems to me that the issue lies with the set titles more so than with the pictures. Is this correct? If I were to remove all words like captured, abducted, torture, etc. would the content then be admissible? Because I would argue that none of my pictures or videos by themselves actually come across as anything other than tongue-in-cheek or harmless fun.

It would also be really useful to have a full list of words and phrases that aren't allowed, as the description may appear forced is horribly vague, subjective and doesn't take account of context at all. Such a rule is almost impossible to follow as you should well know, considering that your very team went through my site with a comb not very long ago and declared it clean, and that suddenly now you have changed your mind, without me having changed the type of content. It is a very frustrating place to be in as a webmaster if one is afraid of ones billing processor not having a line of consensus on their policy.

With that in mind I urge you to publish such a list of precise banned words and situations, and email it to all your clients on a regular basis, so that they may stay compliant all the time, and not live in fear of being shut down without warning.

I realise that my case is only one of many currently being processed at your end, and I appreciate the time you take to respond to my specific concerns.

Kind regards, etc.

Originally Posted by CCBill

Yes, the wording is the main concern with the site. The idea of publishing a list may be something that can be done and I am working on that. This was actually brought up before but the idea was thrown out for a reason unknown to me. Let me know if this clears things up a little for you. Also, once the site has been altered to fit within the AUP let me know so we can reactivate the account.

Originally Posted by Me

Thank you again for your reply. Removing these wordings is a non-trivial task however, especially since many of them are in graphics format. In order to undertake this task I would like to first have a list of concrete words to work from. It has already become clear that my interpretation of something that may appear forced is different than yours. I hope you'll understand that I cannot run a business where I could get cut off at any moment without warning because of this, nor could any other webmaster.

I am thus looking forward to a precise list, and once I have that and can rest assured that my processing will not stop without warning or due reason (especially close of business on a Friday), I will be happy to make all necessary changes.

Originally Posted by CCBill

Here is a partial list of words we consider non-complaint. Please make sure that these words or similar ones are removed from your site. We are not responsible for updating this list. If you have any questions let me know.

Kidnap, Abduct, Capture, Captive, Chloroform, Distress, Peril, Forced, Struggle, Helpless, Demise, Torture, Suffer, Strangle, Suffocate

Originally Posted by Me

You must take responsibility for keeping the list up-to-date by putting it in your AUP and emailing webmasters whenever it changes. Furthermore you should allow webmasters reasonable time to comply should the list change drastically.

Without those assurances my business plan has a weak spot outside of my control at the most important point - the monetization. I am more than happy to comply with your requests as soon as you can give me the above assurances. I hope you understand how important for my business - and any other producers - my point is.

Originally Posted by CCBill

It is not feasible for us to keep an all-inclusive list on hand and updated on a daily basis. It s is your responsibility to make sure that you do not imply any of the actions or circumstances that are related to the list we gave you. As long as you do not try to imply any of those things you have nothing to worry about. We are willing to work with you on this, just as you are.