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Just released, 30 Minute Trials!!!!


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Woooo Hooo!
What a way to bring 100..lol

interesting.

Did Nostradamus predict this?

hmm not a bad idea..Somebody go post-beta it and tell me how it works out :)

Indeed.

:winkwink:

30 Minute Trials hmmm interesting, thanks for posting, gotta go make a phone call

so if the member doesn't cancel within 30 minutes of signing up then they get billed at the monthly rate?

Man, that might be worth the risk of not getting paid

Yes, EPOCH just released X Minute free trials (can be 30 minutes or more) with a twist! However you have to be using our flexpost interface to take advantage of this feature right now. The standard CC Form will be ready Monday.

Email or Call [email protected] to get your product codes and learn how it works. This one is going to be hot! Support is available 24/7 to setup your product codes.

Support Phone Toll Free (888) 627-3888 ext. 320 or outside US (310) 827-5880 ext. 320


CLAY
EPOCH
http://www.epochsystems.com/sales

From what I understand you start with the thiry minute trial - then they convert to a regular trial (3day whatever) then the convert to a regular member - this is assuming you keep the member through the entire process...

as well you can convert from the thirty min to regular membership, again this is just from what I have gathered in the last few minutes

I'm thinking it gives the surfer the 30 minutes,then when time is up thet are sent to a page asking if they want to continue at the monthly rate for $xx.xx... BUT if it is setup 30 minutes and the surfer forgets and gets charged wooooo PAY DAY BAAAAABY!

Man, that would be like Christmas all year round

that wouldnt make much sense,who wants to give 2 trials away?

Agreed, that would suck. Its like putting in an extra step to get a members

Nice.

Definitely different... new twists is right.

That is sweet...

OK let me clear the confusion on how this product works:

Step 1 X min free preview

- X can be 30 minutes or longer

Step 2 converts to paid trial at X minutes

the paid trial can be

- 1 day or longer
- $1.00 or more

Step 3 converts to recurring membership

- converts to your monthly price

***Surfers ARE NOT sent to a page asking if they want to continue. The conversions occur behind the scenes like normal trials do.

If you have additional questions please contact support.

Clay
EPOCH
http://www.epochsystems.com/sales

2 trials? Whats the point, anyone who will pay 50 cents for 30 minutes will pay a couple bucks for 3 days, no?

so its basically a 30 minute free-trial that converts to a paid trial membership if they don't cancel

interesting

so the surfer gets to free trial the paid trial?

Well.. for new sales go to Amparo.. she rocks..

Thanks Clay

unless they have some system for chargebacks not being an issue, epoch is taking the biggest risk i have ever seen.

i hope you boys have merchants after merchants to go through :)

users will complain they cancelled with in the time limit, or some other bs, and you'll just be creating the biggest storm of problems anyone has ever seen hehee

I agree 100%.. Once this thing catches on and it will its a matter of time before it blows up with customer billing nightmares, fraud and the such..

The industry now is so shady as it is, porn surfers will milk this shit to the bone in no time.

Now if epoch wont have a problem with chargebacks down the road, you guys should milk it for whats its worth asap

not to be a stick in the mud on this one but if a surfer pulls out his card for age verification to get the free 30 minutes,wouldnt he pull it out for the $1.95 trial? why go thru the extra step?

I liked my way better lol

I can just imagine these guys racing to jerk off and cancel :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh

why?

Sure makes timestamp important ;)

I'm sure this is wonderful news to TELEPORT users :1orglaugh

The chargebacks will be ABSURD.

This is going to create a customer service nightmare for anyone who uses this on their paysite.

Of course the gallery makers and shit will like it.

This will crash and burn within the year.

Your average porn surfer wll dispute the timestamp or any proof he is confronted with..

End result 9 out of 10 times =Chargeback

We all know the saying the customer is ALWAYS right , well in this industry its SAD but true.

Creative idea, but I'm curious if this would make things better or worse...

Wouldn't there be the same problems that come with free 3-day trials? More sales, less conversions to monthly. More free bandwidth being eaten up.

Now instead of signing up every friday night for a free weekend, johnny jackoff can signup for just enough time during lunch hour each day and be satisfied.

Can we block future free signups after the first one?

What do you guys think? Good? Bad? Ugly?

no shit,this benefits the surfer WAY more than the webmaster....I'm sad now

I agree

So you think a straight free trial is a better option? We've been doing this for 6 years, we know what we are doing.

Clay
EPOCH
http://www.epochsystems.com/sales

it's turning into a "straight free trial" anyways but just taking an extra step...Maybe I'm missing something though

i'm not sure why anyone would use free trials at all.

Clay,

Simply awesome. I can see many uses for this besides it on paysites.

The steps you mentioned are still a little confusing.
Confusing in the sense that what happens *between* the converting from a 1-30 minutes trial, TO a regular trial or monthly membership? It's this "space in between" that i'm concerned with.

What exactly happens after the 30 minutes are up? It just auto recurs without them knowing about it to a trial or whatever i choose? I have to agree that this would have some chargebacks issues.

But another way of doing it that i would like to see would be something like this.
The surfer joins for 30 minutes. After which they get knocked out of the site completely, and end up at another join page.. (that has only but a few buttons without a form.)

Since he's already added his info and signed up for the 30 minute trial, there is no form. Just a button with something like, "if you like this site, click here to join at 29.95 a month, etc"

This i just a very "broad" idea off the top of my head as i have no clue how this would work or how it would affect chargebacks.

But i think it's better then just having it roll over from 30 minutes to a trial with no warning (besides the fine print).

Anyway, don't mind me...was just curious on what happens on the "between" time of the x-minute trial, to a trial/full membership. Cause it's this timeframe that seems the to be the most important area of error.

Maybe offer both routes? Regardless, awesome job Clay.

im sure a billing company knows what they are getting into but mike I like your idea wont work for my site but for others hell ya

When I think about this logically, I am convinced this is a bad idea that will cost webmasters a lot of money. However, I have this nagging feeling inside that some people will make a lot of money off of it. The world is funny that way.

Thanks MikeEP,

There is full disclosure on the purchase form and in the confirming email regarding the transaction.
The process is quite simple actually, if a person does not cancel during the free preview period then he is converted to a normal paid trial.

Clay
EPOCH
http://www.epochsystems.com/sales

Hello Clay, could you please ask Jeffrey to reply to the email
i send yesterday and if possible a little quicker then 10 days
like the last time !

Which Jeff?

Shoot me an email and I will get him to respond asap.

[email protected]

some hassle might be avoided if the conversion doesn't occur after exactly the stipulated 30mins but after, say 40mins. I'm guessing this is the way it is beeing done?

Some, but far from all of them. Best move I ever made was to turn off trials for bangbus last year.

Fuck trials.


I wish I had the option of killing trials on all my partnerships.

Hey Clay whats the deal me and partner of mine want to move a fairly large account from Ibill and we were considering both you and PSW but no one will respond to us. Ibill is having major problems and we need to get out of there quick and get setup fast, PSW has already responded but no one from epoch will return contact us.

"We've been doing this for 6 years, we know what we are doing"

aaaaaaaaahahahahahaha

and how many times have epoch gone through merchant acohahahahas, new business names

and how much do you guys still owe webmasters from the past?

ROFL

now that was the most funny comment i have heard all week

i thought porncash have been doing this for a while. There's an option for a 30 min pass or a 3 day trial on their sites

they seem to be doing fine with it

No, free trials were a bad idea as well. And look what happened to them.

The only people who should be putting input on this are people who run paysites as they are the ones who are going to have to deal with all the bullshit.

I have been on the receiving end of pissed off surfer ranting for the better part of 4 years for any number of reasons relating to their trial period. I have heard it all.

The surfer is petty. The surfer is cheap. The surfer is ignorant...the surfer is the enemy. You give him any leeway to fuck you, and he will.

With all the amount of shit I have to put up with with a 5 day trial, I cant even begin to imagine the shitstorm that a 30 minute trial will bring. Anyone who puts this on their sites is begging for it.

To the people applauding this, you are the same people who were all pushing dialers and free trials. You only look at the short term. Congrats on what will inevitably bring more scrutiny to an already fucked up situation.

jerkoffs.