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StuartD 04-11-2007 09:20 AM

If Bruce Lee was in his prime and entered the UFC
 
How do you think he would do?

Rob_MN 04-11-2007 09:32 AM

I'd say he'd kick ass! Would be interesting to see how he stood up in a real fight. Maybe a bare fist fight with Kimbo would be interesting :)

CDSmith 04-11-2007 09:32 AM

I wonder how many of the kids who will be commenting here shortly will have any clue as to what kind of speed and power and pure technique we're talking when referring to Bruce Lee.

What the grappler fans don't seem to understand is that in order for a grappler to do any damage they have to get ahold of you. Once they get ahold of you they need to be able to hang onto you. :D

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 04-11-2007 09:36 AM

anyone who think bruce lee would stand a chance in hell in the octagon is living in fantasy land...

pornguy 04-11-2007 09:37 AM

I watched an interview with him.. They interviewer asked about fighting with people using other forms of fighting, Boxing, etc, and he said that he does not fight, he defends, and that is the difference in what he does, and why he is able to win.

Later he put into one of his movies about his fighting style, that " When they expand, I contract. When they punch, I move! "

The interviewer said something like there are a lot of dangerous fighters that are 2 and three times his size that would like to fight him, and he said. " I am scared of no man "


Those seem to be the words of a man that knew he would no lose.

CDSmith 04-11-2007 09:37 AM

I'd be willing to give him a chance in hell.

az_bobby 04-11-2007 09:39 AM

CDSmith you beat me to it, I fight and teach (vale tudo and kung fu) and was gonna make that same point. So yeah what he said. And I'll add that Bruce Lee and the his fighting system have a very sound ground fighting techniques.`

JohnnyPearl 04-11-2007 09:39 AM

I think if one of these bigs guys grabbed him it would be over.

jonesonyou 04-11-2007 09:43 AM

chuck would knock him out...You need to consider how hard and how many times you can be hit...not just the offensive.

GooSearch 04-11-2007 09:52 AM

liddel vs Lee..as long as liddel didn't land something solid lee would have him
Couture vs Lee... ass whooping.. IMO coutoure is a great ground fighter but i think lee's speed woudl take him
CroCop vs Lee.. hmmm... CroCop is a bad ass... dunno on this one
Tito Ortiz vs Lee... Ortiz is all ground and pound.. if Lee dosen't go to the ground lee in 2

hmm who else

Anthony 04-11-2007 09:55 AM

Bruce Lee was picked up and played with by "Judo" Gene Lebell.

There were 33 grappling techniques Bruce put in JKD before he died. However, grappling did not become that great of a need till after 1993, when BJJ showed it's mastery over striking arts.

Dan Inosanto, Bruce Lee's right hand man in JKD is a BJJ Black Belt.

As for being in the Cage, I'm sure Bruce Lee would do well in his prime. He is as per Dana White, "The Godfather Of MMA".

Anthony 04-11-2007 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by az_bobby (Post 12236285)
CDSmith you beat me to it, I fight and teach (vale tudo and kung fu) and was gonna make that same point. So yeah what he said. And I'll add that Bruce Lee and the his fighting system have a very sound ground fighting techniques.`

JKD did not have a sound ground fighting arsenal, before 1993.

dig420 04-11-2007 10:10 AM

you people are total idiots. Bruce Lee would get bitchslapped like a child.

dig420 04-11-2007 10:11 AM

Genki Sudo would take him out in about 6 seconds.

High Plains Drifter 04-11-2007 10:25 AM

If I remember correctly, the very first post on sherdog's ezboard forum back in 1999 was: "How would Bruce Lee do in NHB?"

http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2007160823,00.jpg

http://www.upstandingfuckingcitizens.com/NateDiaz.jpg

Anthony 04-11-2007 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by High Plains Drifter (Post 12236529)
If I remember correctly, the very first post on sherdog's ezboard forum back in 1999 was: "How would Bruce Lee do in NHB?"



http://www.upstandingfuckingcitizens.com/NateDiaz.jpg

That picture of Nick Diaz holding a Bong is so fucking ironic, since NSAC took away the win from his beating of Gomi last PRIDE USA, for having THC in his system.

Ramos 04-11-2007 10:36 AM

The 3 inch punch

High Plains Drifter 04-11-2007 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 12236557)
That picture of Nick Diaz holding a Bong is so fucking ironic, since NSAC took away the win from his beating of Gomi last PRIDE USA, for having THC in his system.

Yup, and that's why I whipped out the photoshop.... I probably should have made the Crow's lighter a lighter color, eh? :winkwink:

tony286 04-11-2007 10:42 AM

You cant compare, his style and kung fu on the whole is to seriously hurt. Thats why any kung fu competitions look like kick boxing matches, killing or seriously maiming your opponent is frowned upon. People really dont realize Bruce Lee's speed and power also how he learned from fencing not to give away when he was going to strike,so you never saw it coming. One of the things he loved to do for laughs was he would hold a punching target and tell you to give it your best shot and you would. Then he would say my turn and you would wind up across the room, he found this very amusing.

Anthony 04-11-2007 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by High Plains Drifter (Post 12236576)
Yup, and that's why I whipped out the photoshop.... I probably should have made the Crow's lighter a lighter color, eh? :winkwink:

Didn't even notice. :):):)

GooSearch 04-11-2007 10:46 AM

hmm.. lets throw Ramon Dekkers in on this too.. amazing fighter.. would he hold up in UFC.. imo dekkers is one of the nest fighters of this century

Anthony 04-11-2007 10:48 AM

lost
Quote:

Originally Posted by GooSearch (Post 12236633)
hmm.. lets throw Ramon Dekkers in on this too.. amazing fighter.. would he hold up in UFC.. imo dekkers is one of the nest fighters of this century

YOu don't have to ask the question.

Ramon Dekkers vs Genki Sudo

http://sportsfights.net/ramon-dekker...nki-sudo9.html

Ramon Dekkers lost to Genki Sudo btw.

JFK 04-11-2007 10:50 AM

Lets not forget, Bruce Lee was an actor more that he was a fighter. I personally dont think he would be a major factor in todays octagon:2 cents:

boneprone 04-11-2007 10:51 AM

In his prime???????

He would do quite well...... He would hold his own. Im sure of it.

Bruce Lee was one that was big into evolving and adapting into situations.
One of the biggest rips on him from the traditionalists was that he was not traditional and was one who went agaisnt the grain of art and history to take things to a more Practical level.

He would find the whole MMA era very intresting. He would evolve his style I assure you in his prime to do quite well in the MMA world.

Would his style of JeetKwonDo be what it is today?? No... It would be an evolved form of martial art.

Thats what made Bruce great. His ablility to evolve.

Anyone who say otherwise doesnt know the legacy of Bruce Lee and what he stood for.

He was a true student of Martial Art.

boneprone 04-11-2007 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JFK (Post 12236667)
Lets not forget, Bruce Lee was an actor more that he was a fighter. I personally dont think he would be a major factor in todays octagon:2 cents:

LOL.. I think you are confusing him with Chuck Norris!

tony286 04-11-2007 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JFK (Post 12236667)
Lets not forget, Bruce Lee was an actor more that he was a fighter. I personally dont think he would be a major factor in todays octagon:2 cents:

Actually thats not true,he was obsessed about martial arts and training. Before he started acting he had a few kung fu schools. He created a whole new marital art JKD.

dougeetx 04-11-2007 10:56 AM

Interview with Bruce Lee :1orglaugh

Anthony 04-11-2007 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by High Plains Drifter (Post 12236576)
Yup, and that's why I whipped out the photoshop.... I probably should have made the Crow's lighter a lighter color, eh? :winkwink:

Have you put it on the underground yet?

Fucking hilarious! :)

StuartD 04-11-2007 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 12236678)
In his prime???????

He would do quite well...... He would hold his own. Im sure of it.

Bruce Lee was one that was big into evolving and adapting into situations.
One of the biggest rips on him from the traditionalists was that he was not traditional and was one who went agaisnt the grain of art and history to take things to a more Practical level.

He would find the whole MMA era very intresting. He would evolve his style I assure you in his prime to do quite well in the MMA world.

Would his style of JeetKwonDo be what it is today?? No... It would be an evolved form of martial art.

Thats what made Bruce great. His ablility to evolve.

Anyone who say otherwise doesnt know the legacy of Bruce Lee and what he stood for.

This is what I was waiting for, and what I was thinking. People tend to compare the style he developed against styles today. They forget that he created that style... that he continued to change that style every day to match the adversaries and competing styles against him. He discovered and learned his weaknesses and then figured out how to remove them.

If he had a chance to fight today, I think he'd probably get beat from time to time, but he'd come back ready with a whole new bag of tricks.

boneprone 04-11-2007 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 12236250)
I wonder how many of the kids who will be commenting here shortly will have any clue as to what kind of speed and power and pure technique we're talking when referring to Bruce Lee.

What the grappler fans don't seem to understand is that in order for a grappler to do any damage they have to get ahold of you. Once they get ahold of you they need to be able to hang onto you. :D

What makes you think Bruce wouldnt evolve his skills to include that of grappling?

Im sure he would. He was never one to be one dimentional. Im sure he would adapt to the current era if he was in his prime, and would evolve or perhaps even create a new level of grappling..

I dont think grappling should be looked at as a bad thing. In fact I think Bruce would embrace it. And evolve it.

Anthony 04-11-2007 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StuartD (Post 12236720)
This is what I was waiting for, and what I was thinking. People tend to compare the style he developed against styles today. They forget that he created that style... that he continued to change that style every day to match the adversaries and competing styles against him. He discovered and learned his weaknesses and then figured out how to remove them.

If he had a chance to fight today, I think he'd probably get beat from time to time, but he'd come back ready with a whole new bag of tricks.

If you were waiting for that, you should have done more research into what MMA is.

I'll say it again...

Dana White (UFC PRESIDENT) credits Bruce Lee as "The Godfather of MMA".

Ramos 04-11-2007 10:59 AM

the 1 inch punch

Anthony 04-11-2007 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 12236728)
What makes you think Bruce wouldnt evolve his skills to include that of grappling?

Im sure he would. He was never one to be one dimentional. Im sure he would adapt to the current era if he was in his prime, and would evolve or perhaps even create a new level of grappling..

I dont think grappling should be looked at as a bad thing. In fact I think Bruce would embrace it. And evolve it.


Bruce Lee actually thought very highly of Grappling. He was very close friends with Judo Gene Lebell, and if you studied his earlier texts in Tao of JKD, you can see alot of JUDO ne waza (Grappling Techniques) in it.

As I posted earlier, 33 grappling techniques before he died in JKD. Even more after 1993 when the UFC and BJJ showed it's superiority.

High Plains Drifter 04-11-2007 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 12236719)
Have you put it on the underground yet?

Fucking hilarious! :)

I rarely post there and can't remember my login...

Feel free to steal it. :)

Pleasurepays 04-11-2007 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 12236691)
LOL.. I think you are confusing him with Chuck Norris!

he was also a tournament fighter well before acting came about.

pornguy 04-11-2007 11:05 AM

The sad thing about Him, was that his Prime was just before he died.

sinclair 04-11-2007 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 12236678)
In his prime???????

He would do quite well...... He would hold his own. Im sure of it.

Bruce Lee was one that was big into evolving and adapting into situations.
One of the biggest rips on him from the traditionalists was that he was not traditional and was one who went agaisnt the grain of art and history to take things to a more Practical level.

He would find the whole MMA era very intresting. He would evolve his style I assure you in his prime to do quite well in the MMA world.

Would his style of JeetKwonDo be what it is today?? No... It would be an evolved form of martial art.

Thats what made Bruce great. His ablility to evolve.

Anyone who say otherwise doesnt know the legacy of Bruce Lee and what he stood for.

He was a true student of Martial Art.


IMO opinion this is the most accurate post on the subject, with one exception. Mr. Lee was a true student of Martial Systems, not Martial Arts. Martial Systems was a phrase coined by famed MA write Don Draeger to describe systems of fighting styles.

Martial Arts are disciplines of study that involve mastery of the mind, body and spirit. Fighting is the practice, mastery of self, is the art. Martial Systems refer to combative, practical styles that are proven effective in sport (MMA) and combat.

dig420 04-11-2007 11:09 AM

now the subject has changed to ask how would he do if he were alive and training MMA. Who knows? Is he more athletic than Gomi? Than Sudo? Maybe. Maybe not. He'd probably win some fights.

Put him in the cage with the skills he had when he died and he gets waxed by ANY fighter today, barring a lucky punch. Not just top lvl UFC or Pride fighters. Anthony would murderize him. 90% of blue belts in any academy would take him out.

Kung Fu is a joke.

GatorB 04-11-2007 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 12236455)
you people are total idiots. Bruce Lee would get bitchslapped like a child.

You juste dshowed you;re the idiot. I love how peole who weren't even close to being a sperm in their daddy's balls at the time of Lee's death can think they can comment knowledgeably on him.

dig420 04-11-2007 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 12236798)
You juste dshowed you;re the idiot. I love how peole who weren't even close to being a sperm in their daddy's balls at the time of Lee's death can think they can comment knowledgeably on him.

Here's a news flash for you and all you other ninjas: There's nothing mystical or mysterious about martial arts. You learn by fighting and practicing. Spirituality has nothing to do with whipping ass. Shao-lin monks can't fight for shit. If you're not boxing, doing Muay Thai or BJJ and preferably all three you're gonna get your ass beat in the cage PERIOD.

Also, Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny? Your parents lied to you. Sorry.

Anthony 04-11-2007 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 12236798)
You juste dshowed you;re the idiot. I love how peole who weren't even close to being a sperm in their daddy's balls at the time of Lee's death can think they can comment knowledgeably on him.

He's talking from empirical data over the years. Kung fu by itself, even JKD did not hold up very well against BJJ. Couple in that it's 15 years now since BJJ hit the scenes, and is now incorporated into MMA, and he has a very valid point.

MMA > KUNGFU

Ramos 04-11-2007 11:16 AM

I'm pretty sure Bruce Lee hit Bolo Yeung 88 times in a minute. on his way to winning that tournament. I could be wrong though.

Bolo Yeung was also in Enter the Dragan.... remember that?

dig420 04-11-2007 11:16 AM

man I love these threads hehe

dig420 04-11-2007 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 12236820)
He's talking from empirical data over the years. Kung fu by itself, even JKD did not hold up very well against BJJ. Couple in that it's 15 years now since BJJ hit the scenes, and is now incorporated into MMA, and he has a very valid point.

MMA > KUNGFU

It didn't hold up AT ALL, and you know it. Quit softening the blow for these ninjas lol

Reylan Gracie is 15 yrs old. He would kick Bruce Lee's ass.

Jimmy Rock 04-11-2007 11:18 AM

I would love to ee that shit, I think he would fuck some shit up for sure

Pleasurepays 04-11-2007 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 12236788)
now the subject has changed to ask how would he do if he were alive and training MMA. Who knows? Is he more athletic than Gomi? Than Sudo? Maybe. Maybe not. He'd probably win some fights.

i think people don't get that. in his time, he was unique and very special... today, he's just another guy who trains to fight. i dont know why he would be expected to be better than any other guy who spends all week long doing grappling, kickboxing and boxing.

dig420 04-11-2007 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramos (Post 12236822)
I'm pretty sure Bruce Lee hit Bolo Yeung 88 times in a minute. on his way to winning that tournament. I could be wrong though.

Bolo Yeung was also in Enter the Dragan.... remember that?

I heard Bruce Lee killed 15 men in two seconds with his rear dragon windmill Death Touch.

He's a baaaaaad man!

dig420 04-11-2007 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 12236836)
i think people don't get that. in his time, he was unique and very special... today, he's just another guy who trains to fight. i dont know why he would be expected to be better than any other guy who spends all week long doing grappling, kickboxing and boxing.

In his time, he was somewhat ahead of the curve for the US and the Asian countries, but Gene Lebell and some others were here and were REAL fighters. The Brazilians were light-years ahead of Lee even then when it comes to effective martial arts.

shoeaholicanon 04-11-2007 11:22 AM

He'd kung foo da ass

Ramos 04-11-2007 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 12236837)
I heard Bruce Lee killed 15 men in two seconds with his rear dragon windmill Death Touch.

He's a baaaaaad man!

actually he performed a Babality

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...3_Babality.png


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