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Quotealex 03-31-2007 06:25 PM

$350/month will make you a millionaire
 
By just investing $350 per month with a 15% yearly return, you'll become a millionaire in 25 years or so. Doesn't get any simpler than that:thumbsup

tony286 03-31-2007 06:27 PM

isnt 15 percent pretty hard to keep doing for 25 yrs, year in year out?

Quotealex 03-31-2007 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 12176221)
isnt 15 percent pretty hard to keep doing for 25 yrs, year in year out?

15% is an average return. Some years you'll make less and other years, you'll make more.

GooSearch 03-31-2007 06:41 PM

ok but what do you invest in that is going to give u that kind of yearly return

aico 03-31-2007 06:43 PM

I prefer the $175 and 30% route.

chodadog 03-31-2007 06:50 PM

15% is average?

I don't think so..

Quotealex 03-31-2007 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GooSearch (Post 12176253)
ok but what do you invest in that is going to give u that kind of yearly return

Stocks portfolio of corse. Ideally consisting of stocks of high-quality, low-profile small companies....But the key is you gotto be be patient and think long term.

Pointless 03-31-2007 07:30 PM

15% average over 25 years

your dreamin

bdld 03-31-2007 07:35 PM

even if you do that, and start at the age of 30, you'll be 55, old and gray by then.

Spunky 03-31-2007 07:37 PM

I like high risk mutuals myself

Quotealex 03-31-2007 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bdld (Post 12176383)
even if you do that, and start at the age of 30, you'll be 55, old and gray by then.

People live longer now a day. 55-year old is still young.

Evil E 03-31-2007 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex from Montreal (Post 12176214)
By just investing $350 per month with a 15% yearly return, you'll become a millionaire in 25 years or so. Doesn't get any simpler than that:thumbsup

Congratulations on making a 15% return for the last 25 years!

Quotealex 03-31-2007 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointless (Post 12176373)
15% average over 25 years

your dreamin

How is buying and keeping (or seldom selling) quality small-cap stocks dreaming?

porno jew 03-31-2007 07:50 PM

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Quotealex 03-31-2007 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunky (Post 12176392)
I like high risk mutuals myself

Over the long term there is no high risk deversified portfolio:winkwink:

Quotealex 03-31-2007 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 12176419)

Are you doubting the power of compound interest? LOL

GooSearch 03-31-2007 07:53 PM

yeah well..i have been looking into roth ira's atm... stocks are to unstable for me

Quotealex 03-31-2007 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GooSearch (Post 12176427)
yeah well..i have been looking into roth ira's atm... stocks are to unstable for me

Stocks are unstable if you're in it for the short term and/or spread over just a few companies.

shuki 03-31-2007 08:29 PM

15% is on the high end if you ask me

Klen 03-31-2007 08:30 PM

25 years???I cant wait so long.

Well Dunn 03-31-2007 08:32 PM

This thread is proof of how ingnorant joe public realy is. Seriousley, 15% average over 25 years is a fucking cakewalk with all the dumb money in the market(s) these days.

Quotealex 03-31-2007 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 12176510)
25 years???I cant wait so long.

You're looking at it the wrong way. All you're doing is putting aside a little $350 per month that will not affect your daily life but will be appreciated down the road.:winkwink:

he-fox 03-31-2007 08:55 PM

very true.

Snake Doctor 03-31-2007 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex from Montreal (Post 12176425)
Are you doubting the power of compound interest? LOL

No we're doubting a 15% average annual return over a long period of time. It just isn't going to happen for 99.9% of people.

If you're really good at timing the market and picking stocks you can do that, but the average Joe who puts money into a mutual fund and leaves it there is going to do 8-12% over the long term.

JD 03-31-2007 09:23 PM

that's GREAT and all but in 25 years millionaires will be working at fucking Best Buy... Shit the average price of a home around here is fucking 4-500k :(

So in 25 years you'd need to have many millions to be "wealthy"

Quotealex 03-31-2007 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2 (Post 12176624)
No we're doubting a 15% average annual return over a long period of time. It just isn't going to happen for 99.9% of people.

If you're really good at timing the market and picking stocks you can do that, but the average Joe who puts money into a mutual fund and leaves it there is going to do 8-12% over the long term.

To tell you the truth putting your money into mutual fund is not very wise. Most mutual funds will underperform the market, you'll be better off buying index funds in the long run. Trying to time the market is not a good idea neither.

woj 03-31-2007 10:00 PM

too bad though that in 25 years, 1 million will be worth like 400k is now (if not less)... so you are looking at more like 30 years...

and even then, 1 million isn't even THAT much, you pay taxes on it, buy a nice house, buy a nice car, take a vacation or 2, and you are left with not much at all...

woj 03-31-2007 10:07 PM

...and like other have mentioned 15% is pretty unreasonable... which index has averaged 15% over the past 25 years? (assuming one would invest in index funds like you suggested?)

pood 03-31-2007 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex from Montreal (Post 12176420)
Over the long term there is no high risk deversified portfolio:winkwink:


if you diversify your portfolio, your return usually goes down with time and meets the market average of 8%, but that's only if the market is efficient, it all depends on how much equity you got riding in your portfolio.

the only way i can think of that might get you a steady 15%/year is buy in on a hedge fund with a super star manager

fallenmuffin 03-31-2007 10:46 PM

15% lol... yeah, okay then. Let me know how that works out for you

bausch 03-31-2007 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex from Montreal (Post 12176214)
By just investing $350 per month with a 15% yearly return, you'll become a millionaire in 25 years or so. Doesn't get any simpler than that:thumbsup

Don't you spend all yours at the strip club though?

HeadPimp 03-31-2007 11:17 PM

Yeah, that is all fine and good, but $1,000,000 is nothing anymore. My wife is closing a cash sale on a house in that neighborhood this month...

$100,000,000 or the big B mark are really what it takes to impress people these days.

blazin 04-01-2007 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by HeadPimp (Post 12176900)
Yeah, that is all fine and good, but $1,000,000 is nothing anymore. My wife is closing a cash sale on a house in that neighborhood this month...

$100,000,000 or the big B mark are really what it takes to impress people these days.

Who needs to impress anyone?

Lee 04-01-2007 02:16 AM

I know from when I worked in that industry that it is quite easy to achieve that by using quality fund managers. If you use the tax wrappers (if they are available where you are), look long term and appreciate compound interest, plus pay monthly as opposed to annually thus buying more units of a fund with your money when the markets dip... Then you could quite easily do that.

chaze 04-01-2007 02:19 AM

Why would you invest in someone other then yourself?

ADL Colin 04-01-2007 04:17 AM

15% for the next 25 years would be very difficult. Some people will do it but it will be an extreme minority. I would bet less than 1%.

The idea is basically right though. why not use a greater amount per month and a lower rate of compounding. Has to be noted you have to do it in a tax-free account?

Quotealex 04-01-2007 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by pood (Post 12176831)
if you diversify your portfolio, your return usually goes down with time and meets the market average of 8%, but that's only if the market is efficient

Only if your portfilio mimmick the S&P Index, your return will average 8%-12% in the long run. You can increase your return by replacing blue chip stocks with quality small and micro cap stocks.

Quotealex 04-01-2007 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bausch (Post 12176881)
Don't you spend all yours at the strip club though?

LOL. Actually, I always pay myself first (i.e. invest and save) before spending on anything else, including on strippers:winkwink:

Quotealex 04-01-2007 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin (Post 12177530)
The idea is basically right though. why not use a greater amount per month and a lower rate of compounding. Has to be noted you have to do it in a tax-free account?

The greater the amount you tell people you need to put aside, the less they're are willing to start investing.

You are tho, if you are going for the long run, you need to put it in a tax free account.

Quotealex 04-01-2007 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 12176746)
and even then, 1 million isn't even THAT much, you pay taxes on it, buy a nice house, buy a nice car, take a vacation or 2, and you are left with not much at all...

Isn't better to at least have what you mentioned than having nothing to show for all the money you spend during those 25 years?

StuartD 04-01-2007 05:00 AM

Ahh.... skeptics are what makes the world go round.

Alex offered a positive light in an otherwise very negatively driven message board and all any of you could think of to do was beat it down as best you could.

I'd just like to point out though, that not one single person who shunned this idea is a millionaire. Not one.

Think about that.

selena 04-01-2007 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex from Montreal (Post 12177568)
Only if your portfilio mimmick the S&P Index, your return will average 8%-12% in the long run. You can increase your return by replacing blue chip stocks with quality small and micro cap stocks.

Sorry, but this post confused me. :)

I thought you had said that index funds would have an average return of 15%. Did I misunderstand? Or are you saying that they achieve that by the above mentioned supplemention?

zabijaq 04-01-2007 10:18 AM

Somehow I don't trust these.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex from Montreal (Post 12176214)
By just investing $350 per month with a 15% yearly return, you'll become a millionaire in 25 years or so. Doesn't get any simpler than that:thumbsup

Why would You need us? Bank can give You money with much lower % so rest % for You are much higher. If the project is that good, You'll mortage Your house, Your wife, Your kids, Your dog, Your organs and do it Yourself. There are only way You need us is:
1: You are not sure if You don't bankrupt in few months and You need to risk others money, this means it would probably end as nice SCAM.
2: You don't have any project and it's planned SCAM.


25 years? Cancer will kill You sooner.

selena 04-01-2007 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by zabijaq (Post 12178212)
Why would You need us? Bank can give You money with much lower % so rest % for You are much higher. If the project is that good, You'll mortage Your house, Your wife, Your kids, Your dog, Your organs and do it Yourself. There are only way You need us is:
1: You are not sure if You don't bankrupt in few months and You need to risk others money, this means it would probably end as nice SCAM.
2: You don't have any project and it's planned SCAM.


25 years? Cancer will kill You sooner.

Unless I missed something, he's speaking in general of investing in the market, and illustrating what a person could achieve by saving/investing.

Will Saucebox 04-01-2007 10:29 AM

most have just read The Wealthy Barber or something :)

zabijaq 04-01-2007 11:22 AM

Yep, my fault.
 
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Originally Posted by selena (Post 12178221)
Unless I missed something, he's speaking in general of investing in the market, and illustrating what a person could achieve by saving/investing.

But it seemed so much like HYIP promotion ;)
Anyway, You didn't read my EDIT on the post ;))

Cya.

selena 04-01-2007 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by zabijaq (Post 12178330)
Anyway, You didn't read my EDIT on the post ;))

Cya.

You are right, your edit slid right under my eyeball radar. :winkwink:

Snake Doctor 04-01-2007 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex from Montreal (Post 12176654)
To tell you the truth putting your money into mutual fund is not very wise. Most mutual funds will underperform the market, you'll be better off buying index funds in the long run. Trying to time the market is not a good idea neither.

I agree with the first part, I only buy index funds from Vanguard. I also time the market and do very well. You have to know what you're doing though, it's not for everyone.

I did say the "average joe" will put their money in mutual funds, which is still alot better than a savings account. Most ppl are stuck with the funds offered by their companies' 401(k) plan. :2 cents:


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Originally Posted by Alex from Montreal (Post 12176654)
Only if your portfilio mimmick the S&P Index, your return will average 8%-12% in the long run. You can increase your return by replacing blue chip stocks with quality small and micro cap stocks.

This isn't true, it's too general of a statement. Small cap stocks are much more risky than blue chip stocks. So while the winners will definitely outperform the market, the losers will totally disappear, happens all the time.
There's a reason blue chips are blue. 70% of "microcap" stocks go bankrupt within 5 years.

GatorB 04-01-2007 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by aico (Post 12176265)
I prefer the $175 and 30% route.

I prefer $1 and 100%

and I can have $1 million in 21 months.

Quotealex 04-01-2007 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by selena (Post 12178061)
Sorry, but this post confused me. :)

I thought you had said that index funds would have an average return of 15%. Did I misunderstand? Or are you saying that they achieve that by the above mentioned supplemention?

I beleive I said that index funds are better than mutual funds. To get higher return, you need to invest in low profile quality small cap stocks.


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