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Antonio 03-25-2007 07:37 AM
yo, americans, is it true that undercover cop can't deny he's a cop???
 
ok, I might have watched way too many movies but I think that:

if a female police officer poses as a whore and is asked by the client she HAS TO
admit that she's a cop??? true or false?

on the other hand if a cop is buying drugs undercover and admits that he's a cop when asked, then he might get a bullet in the head, so how exactly does it work?


I made a bet with a friend of mine

GirlNinja 03-25-2007 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Antonio (Post 12144503)
ok, I might have watched way too many movies but I think that:

if a female police officer poses as a whore and is asked by the client she HAS TO
admit that she's a cop??? true or false?

on the other hand if a cop is buying drugs undercover and admits that he's a cop when asked, then he might get a bullet in the head, so how exactly does it work?


I made a bet with a friend of mine
FALSE
yeah, untrue
where do ppl get off believing this stuff?

uno 03-25-2007 07:43 AM
I'm almost 100% sure they don't have to reveal they are police officers.

Phil LoadedCash 03-25-2007 07:43 AM
It's entrapment honestly.. but oh well.. its against the law non the less.

Our cops use to sit across from the bar and wait for people to pull out to pull them over.

Splum 03-25-2007 07:43 AM
Undercover police do NOT have to identify themselves if asked, courts have proven that identity deception is often required to catch criminals.
The only source I could find on this subject quickly was here http://www.erowid.org/freedom/police/police_info6.shtml

Holly 03-25-2007 07:43 AM
No. Not true. TV bullshit and the mantra of every 18 year old smart ass punk.

Holly 03-25-2007 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12144522)
The only source I could find on this subject quickly was here http://www.erowid.org/freedom/police/police_info6.shtml
My mom is part of the prosecution where she lives and she gets a huge kick out of the drug addicts and idiots who yell that shit at her. She usually tells them that if they spent as much time in school as they did watching TV, they wouldn't be so stupid. I'm also laughing about whoever mentioned "entrapment" above, because that's the other thing they're always yammering about, lol.

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-25-2007 07:56 AM
The entrapment law was ruled against in the 80's before then, yes, police officers had to identify themselves if asked....

[ Nate ] 03-25-2007 08:10 AM
If they could be outed so easily, they wouldn't be called 'UNDERCOVER' cops.

Jace 03-25-2007 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by x Shady x (Post 12144521)
It's entrapment honestly.. but oh well.. its against the law non the less.

Our cops use to sit across from the bar and wait for people to pull out to pull them over.
i suggest reading up on exactly what entrapment is

woj 03-25-2007 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by [ Nate ] (Post 12144593)
If they could be outed so easily, they wouldn't be called 'UNDERCOVER' cops.
heh, good point :thumbsup

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-25-2007 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12144597)
i suggest reading up on exactly what entrapment is
You are correct... Waiting outside the bar for drunks to pull out is not entrapment...


Quote:
Originally Posted by WikiPedia
In U.S. law, the general perception of entrapment is that the accused would never have committed the criminal act but for the police inducement. However, when a person is predisposed to commit a crime, offering opportunities to commit the crime is not entrapment, a widely held misconception similar to the idea that police officers must answer questions truthfully if they are asked the same question three times, or that they must say "yes" if asked if they are a police officer.

Legal scholars argue that "the American legal system views entrapments as morally odious. Law enforcement officials cross the acceptable line, the courts have held, when they prey upon human vulnerabilities and ?implant in the mind of innocent persons the disposition to commit the alleged offense and induce its commission in order that they may prosecute.? American courts have often dismissed criminal cases involving entrapments and let the defendants go. See The Murder They Wrote.
John De Lorean was arrested in 1982 for selling cocaine to undercover police; in court, De Lorean argued that the police had asked him to sell them the cocaine (and threatened him as a form of coercion). He was found not guilty. De Lorean's attorney stated in Time (March 19, 1984), "This [was] a fictitious crime. Without the government, there would be no crime." The defense of entrapment was unsuccessful in the Abscam operation in which several members of the United States Congress were convicted of accepting bribes.
Another famous entrapment scandal occurred in April 1998, when British pop singer George Michael was arrested in a Los Angeles bathroom by an undercover police officer pretending to be a homosexual in order to get George Michael to perform oral sex and thus get arrested.

DirtyDanza 03-25-2007 09:58 AM
hahahah... like I have always been told the cops can do what ever the fuck they want... it's up to the judge to either convict or aquit you... there is no such thing as entrapment when it comes to drugs, hookers, ect ect.... if that were the case then dateline NBC would be sued all day long for the hit show "to catch a predator" see the difference is.. these criminals would have commeted the crime weather a cop was there or not... entrapment wouldbe "tricked into commeting a crime" then charged with it... BIG difference... there are some laws out there that cops have to follow.. a good example is a "sting officer" (ie) underage officer buying cigs at the store when asked his age must tell it.. they can;t lie about age thats illlegal.. IE if the kid doing the sting for the cops is asked for ID and says he don't have none then clerk asks how old he has to say 16 he can;t lie about it....

DirtyDanza 03-25-2007 10:00 AM
kind of reminds me of the story of the guy who calls his boss on monday saying he won;t make it in to work that day.. so the boss says "why not frank" and frank replies.. well bossman they arrested me for wearing blue seude shoes last night... and his boss says frank they can't do that.. it's not illlegal to wear blue shoes... and frank says I know boss but I'm calling from jail right now...


point of the story is.. cops will do what ever they want to do.. best situation is to stay out of situations where cops are involved hahaha...

NoWhErE 03-25-2007 10:07 AM
What about common sense? why would someone believe something as stupid as that?

madawgz 03-25-2007 10:21 AM
wow, so ive been wrong all along

they dont have to identify themselves :\

JamesK2 03-25-2007 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by [ Nate ] (Post 12144593)
If they could be outed so easily, they wouldn't be called 'UNDERCOVER' cops.
Bingo :thumbsup

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 03-25-2007 10:39 AM
Splum is in law enforcement, so he knows...

Basically, cops can lie out their ass to get people to turn on one another, and they sometimes plant evidence or file false reports, etc.

The best way to communicate with them, if you might be in trouble, is through a lawyer.

You don't have to prove anything to a cop, only to a judge/jury...

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Splum 03-25-2007 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 12144958)
Splum is in law enforcement, so he knows...
Ok now you have crossed the line, I am not in law enforcement, please back up your claim. I am pretty sure what you just did is against GFY rules.

Pleasurepays 03-25-2007 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Holly (Post 12144539)
My mom is part of the prosecution where she lives and she gets a huge kick out of the drug addicts and idiots who yell that shit at her. She usually tells them that if they spent as much time in school as they did watching TV, they wouldn't be so stupid. I'm also laughing about whoever mentioned "entrapment" above, because that's the other thing they're always yammering about, lol.
i am 36. i have fought quite a few traffic tickets just for fun, including a couple accidents where i truly believed i was in the right, yet got a ticket for the accident. it was always comical sitting in the court room listening to people... seeing their attitudes, what they think they are entitled to, what they think is "right" and "wrong" etc.

totally weird seeing some kid dressed as a retarded gang banger, sitting in court doing everything possible to be disrespectful... and see that he truly believes that he is just gonna show up, tell the judge whats what... and walk out of their like the bad ass that he thinks he is.... then some 1/2 retarded redneck, late and still drunk from the night before, pull the same shit... then see the same guy after him is the same... same guy after that.. the same etc.

its kinda sad in a way. it really made me understand after the first time at 18, why there are poor people, why so many people are in jail. it made me understand why there are economic classes and why certain groups of people always end up at the bottom... and how they can't really be helped because their own attitude is whats destroying their lives.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 03-25-2007 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12145003)
Ok now you have crossed the line, I am not in law enforcement, please back up your claim. I am pretty sure what you just did is against GFY rules.
I knew you would say that...idiot.

I was being facetious, because if you deny it, then that would only prove that you were undercover...(never mind, it's probably over your head).

No wonder there are so few right-wing comedians. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

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Splum 03-25-2007 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 12145021)
I knew you would say that...idiot. I was being facetious, because if you deny it, then that would only prove that you were undercover...(never mind, it's probably over your head). No wonder there are so few right-wing comedians. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh ADG Webmaster
No I do not accept your "excuse" you have been stalking me in threads, making false claims about me and my business, attacking me personally and trying to harm my business relationships.

Why is your WHOIS information hidden?

directfiesta 03-25-2007 11:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12145003)
Ok now you have crossed the line, I am not in law enforcement, please back up your claim. I am pretty sure what you just did is against GFY rules.
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

GFY rules ....

He didn't call you a ped.....

Name calling ... you should know how it works, no ?

Now, go cry to your mommy :2 cents:

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 03-25-2007 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12145025)
No I do not accept your "excuse" you have been stalking me in threads, making false claims about me and my business, attacking me personally and trying to harm my business relationships.

Why is your WHOIS information hidden?
WHOIS stalking who? (That's a pun.)

I'm not sure how I am hurting your business when you don't even say what it is. Your lack of logic is amazing at times...

As for attacking you personally, um, this is a webmaster board called GFY, assuming you are really a webmaster (you've never offered any proof), then you can should be able to differentiate between a personal attack and someone yanking your chain on GFY.

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Splum 03-25-2007 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 12145049)
GFY rules .... He didn't call you a ped..... Name calling ... you should know how it works, no ? Now, go cry to your mommy :2 cents:
Name calling is one thing, personal and false attacks on business is another.

DirtyDanza 03-25-2007 11:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 12145021)
I knew you would say that...idiot.

I was being facetious, because if you deny it, then that would only prove that you were undercover...(never mind, it's probably over your head).

No wonder there are so few right-wing comedians. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

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I got the joke and thought it was pretty funny acutually.... but here is the kicker that makes me laugh.. there is someone on this board involved in law enforcement and it's not who anyone would think... and he posted 2 great comments in this thread as well....

robfantasy 03-25-2007 11:16 AM
undercover cops can do drugs in front of u

Splum 03-25-2007 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12144864)
point of the story is.. cops will do what ever they want to do.. best situation is to stay out of situations where cops are involved hahaha...
Wise advice I hope some of you take it.

doctorvertigo 03-25-2007 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by x Shady x (Post 12144521)
It's entrapment honestly.. but oh well.. its against the law non the less.

Our cops use to sit across from the bar and wait for people to pull out to pull them over.
Heh, Reminds me of the local bar where I used to live out in the country. About 20 people would be in there boozing it up, and when it came time to leave, the only sober guy in the place, would stumble out to his car, fumble for his keys for a few minutes, then eventually get in the car, start it, and immediately get pulled over 500 feet up the road by the cops that were watching him.

While all that was happening, the other 19 customers would go out the back door, get in their cars and drive home the back way.

Nothing would happen to the first guy, cause he wasn't drunk, just a good decoy :)

Not that I condone drinking and driving of course, but being a younger kid watching all that was still fun :>

Pleasurepays 03-25-2007 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by pornopete (Post 12145075)
If you ask them if they are a cop and they say no and you are led to commit you can argue entrapment.

Thank Mr. Delorian for that.
right... you can argue anything you want.

then you get convicted becuase of the arguments of your retarded attorneys using an argument that gets shot down continually in court and you go to jail.

delorean argued that he was coerced into comitting the crime itself. thats hardly the same thing as arguing that a hooker wouldn't have sucked a cock for 50.00 (a price she negotiated) had she known the solicitor was an under cover police officer... as a crime would have been comitted no matter who was asking.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 03-25-2007 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12145066)
I got the joke and thought it was pretty funny acutually.... but here is the kicker that makes me laugh.. there is someone on this board involved in law enforcement and it's not who anyone would think... and he posted 2 great comments in this thread as well....
http://elnuevocojo.com/images/stories/190306/knots.jpg

Your secrets are safe with me... :winkwink:

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 03-25-2007 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 12145103)

delorean argued that he was coerced into comitting the crime itself. thats hardly the same thing as arguing that a hooker wouldn't have sucked a cock for 50.00 (a price she negotiated) had she known the solicitor was an under cover police officer... as a crime would have been comitted no matter who was asking.
Everyone knows that some cops get free tricks from hookers...

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mattz 03-25-2007 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by pornopete (Post 12145075)
If you ask them if they are a cop and they say no and you are led to commit you can argue entrapment.

Thank Mr. Delorian for that.

that is 100% incorrect

HighSociety 03-25-2007 11:45 AM
if you are selling beer they can't lie about their age, That had come up with me when I was 16 and how I got off.

VeriSexy 03-25-2007 11:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by [ Nate ] (Post 12144593)
If they could be outed so easily, they wouldn't be called 'UNDERCOVER' cops.
short and sweet


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