Wanna bitch about welfare paying people to have babies?
 

I discovered something the very first time I did my own taxes.

1. Enter number of dependents.
2. Can you claim your spouse? Then enter 1.
3. Enter interest on your mortgage.
4. Enter interest on all loans, auto, etc...and credit cards
5. Are you "Head of household" enter this amount
6. Earned income credit, see table, enter amount
7. Did medical expenses exceed 4% of your income?...enter amount.
8. Are you a full time student and claim exempt from federal taxes?
9. Enter interest on rental property


I discovered that the government is paying everybody to have babies (1.)
Paying me to have a bitch at home to fuck as long as she didn't work(2.)
Subsidizing my housing(3.)
Subsidizing my car loan(4.) Plus
my funiture, my drinking, my hookers, etc... all on my credit card(4.)
Paying for being the HNIC (Head Nigga In Charge)(5.)
Paying me because I actually worked for my money(6.)
Subsidizing my health care(7.)
Subsidizing my education(8.)
Subsidizing my business to rent housing to people getting welfare.


I then realized that welfare must simply be the name of the form you filled out because everybody was getting the same shit but just using a 1040 form.


If you're tire of people being paid for their kids, subsidized housing, free health care, etc...
Then stop filling out 1 thru 9 on you taxes and the governent will stop paying you for it.

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Let me brace myself, because I know I'm going to hear some angry shit about that truth.

shhhh......it is more fun to hate on people less fortunate then us

I want some deductions for not having kids, not using up extra resources, and so forth.

There's a difference between sending in a check of a lesser amount taxing the fruits of your labor and receiving a check of a larger amount as a result of your recreation.

Ok, then explain why the guy next to me at work who earns exactly the same as me deserves to get a check for 1000's of dollars because he dosen't use birth control and has 5 kids, but I actually have to write check to the IRS for $100 because I have no kids, or home, or lazy bitch living with me.

PS: If you are doing what you said above then you are in violation of paying estimated tax. You can only do that for the first year of you business or if your business did not return a net profit the previous year.

give me a break. people who work for a living deserve breaks because they actually are giving something back.

Deserve might be a strong word since single people work for a living too and don't get those breaks.

The resl issue is that people who work for a living act like they don't ever get a break and all the breaks go to lazy people on welfare. I'm just saying people should stop bitching about breaks that they themselves re entitled to.

And if welfare is so great then why don't they switch places with the welfare people. Go ahead and offer your job to some welfare person, more will take it than decline. We tend to focus on the stereotype welface case that is promoted by people who are against it and rarely hear about the majority of people who only stayed on it for less than a year and have never gone back.

Some figure close to 95% of people who recieve government assistance stay on it for 6 months or less.

That's not a truth douchebag.

Filling out 1 thru 9 on your taxes doesn't mean the government pays you, it means they TAKE less of what you EARNED.

Someone getting government cheese every month is way different than someone paying less money into the cheese pool from money that they earned.

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Re-name it anyway you want. But when people send in the form they get a check back which means they got paid. Only the people with kids and unemployed spouses, etc... get paid.

Your argument is what middle class people do so they don't have to face the fact that they get government money. It's always the other guy.

You must have grown up in a welfare neighborhood with a very poor school system because you can't seem to grasp simple mathematics.

People get a check back on their taxes if they PAID TOO MUCH money to the government during the course of the year.
Getting back some of what you put in because you paid to much to begin with is not even close to being the same as living on the dole, where you don't do anything and receive a check.

Quit trying to justify your family's welfare existence and live with the fact that people who do fill out lines 1 thru 9 on a tax form are supporting your lazy ass.

I have never been on welfare and have never lived in a poor area.

Your asinine assumption of such a thing is indiciative of the asshole that you are.

I support a system, that keeps American citizen from falling into despair and cluttering the streets. I don't want to step in the homless shit on my way to earn a buck or smell the stench in the street. When I lived in New York city I would have gladly paid some extra taxes to get the homless a place to shit instead of the sidewalk.

Poverty has an impact on the quality of life of all American, welfare is the price we pay to limit this impact. The leaders of our country devised this system and you propose that you are more wiser than they and they fucked up.

Without welfare the crime rate would soar into outter space and you'd be shot in the back of the head for $20 as soon as you used an ATM.
The government knows this and the "stupid plan" you hate is actually saving your little whiny assed life.

You are just more bothered by the thought that somebody will get something for nothing and you think you deserve more for what you do.

Nope I'm bothered by the thought of someone who thinks that getting a welfare check and getting a tax deduction for having kids is the same thing.

One person pays money into the treasury, the other person receives money from the treasury.
It's that simple.

This discussion isn't about my opinion of the welfare system, it's about your fucked up no basis in fact analogy.

You implied that if someone had a problem with the welfare system they shouldn't claim their tax deductions. That's the most asinine thing I've read on here in awhile.

if this is true is a very sad statement on humanity. welfare has only existed for the past 50 years or so you know. have we really reverted to animals in this time? you've made statements before on how the poor should just kill and steal what they need, ect. obviously there are some personal issues there.

welfare should be limited to a MAX of 6 months and only 1 time in your life. There's no reason for being a repeat/long term user of welfare. Unless of course you're severely handicapped and CAN NOT work but there's other programs for people like that.

It's not Government money it's their money they're getting back and a welfare hoe is getting my money !

As a single person with no kids.. do you pay as much to do things as those of us with kids?

Seems you have a lot to learn about the breaks that you get on your taxes, compared to the check that some of these people get EVERY MONTH! They get no less than 8 times what you are getting.

I'm going to have to agree with Lenny on this one. Attempting to compare welfare recipients with productive taxpayers is an argument that's never going to fly, except in a room full of welfare recipients.

Sorry, no sale.

A different question that could be asked is --- Are all welfare people really "less fortunate", or are they people who are simply too lazy to make their own fortune?

Case in point -- My being able to quit my job nearly 9 years ago and work from home for myself full time didn't just "happen"... I won no lottery or anything. I had to go out and get myself some extra education in order to get started in the direction that later led me to achieving that goal.

I'm sure many on this board have similar circumstances to share.

You know, there are programs available to the "less fortunate" that are government funded and designed to help them get back into the workforce and being productive again. All one need do is look for them, things like "Job-reentry programs", GED courses and the like. They have them here, I'm sure other areas have them as well.

There are cases where certain people do have legitimate reasons for their situation, but I think most of us are fed up with those who abuse the system and leech off society needlessly and pop out kids in order to further leech etc, and I think in those cases the concern is warranted.

A major solution to getting these people off welfare would be if men and women would pay their child support and medical insurance on thier kids like they are supposed to. A lot of people just want to have sex and then when they have a kid they run from the responsibility. If they stepped up, we would have a lot less people on welfare.

You are full of shit. I never said the poor "SHOULD" kill anybody.
I bet I said they "WILL" kill somebody.
Just like they do now when they rob a store and shoot the clerk.

As far as the personal issue stuff, it appears that people make these claims when their debating skills are lacking which proves to me that they have personal issues whenever they can't prove their point and resort to name calling like children.

You don't have to agree with my side of the issue but if you think that people you don't agree with have personal issues, then you need to seek professional help to control your arrogance.

The thing people are missing about what I'm saying is that I am not making the welfare person equal to the working person paying taxes.

I'm saying that single people with no kids do the same work but don't get those breaks. So people who get those breaks are often complaining about other people getting breaks.

I'm not saying these tax deductions are wrong.

I'm saying "Hey Mister-Hard-Working-Dude with 3 kids you're getting more breaks than me with no kids. So if you can bitch about welfare breaks then I can bitch about your breaks since I am actually paying more taxes into welfare than you.:winkwink:

In other words, people keep whining about a system that is never going to go away. The government will have to step in in one form or another when poverty and unemployment get out of control. And what about your own job security? What if all these welfare people all of a sudden spring up with the ability to take your job? Right now you've got group of people who can't compete with you; do you want to keep kicking them until they figure out a way to compete for your job and win?

I agree with that! I want taxes to be a sales tax so the less I spend the less tax I pay. :thumbsup

Shh let him go. Its his first time filling taxes I think.. The only difference is Earned income which you get if you make less than say 35k a year. Then you actually do get back more than what you paid in.

We can dream can't we.:1orglaugh

Hey but if there ever is a tax plan where people pay based on the resources they use then single with no kids will be PHAT!


Never happen though. The real reason the Gov pays for dependents is to promote procreation to keep the population up so we have enough fighters to win our wars to protect their riches.

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I never said people get back more than they paid in.

But, it's true that if a person worked and their income was really low then they will get back more than they paid in when using the Earned Income Credit. They have to make way less than $35K or have 50 kids.
At 35k and no kids EIC is like $5...not even worth doing the math sheet.

I remember when I was enjoying food stamps..I didn't need them but fuck it, I was going through a divorce paying my lawyer 150 an hour and the free groceries were too strong of a lure. they were handing them out because of the kids....The only thing you had to do was go to an orientation where they offered you two choices of keeping your food stamps or welfare or whatever...You could either get in the line with the option of "acting" like you're looking for some bullshit job and then "document" it, OR you could go to your left where they had job training in auto mechanics, nurses assistants, office work, and the best offer I think was there, was a machining apprenticeship where they would PAY you to take a year long course in a shop doing stuff like regular machining or another higher level of machining that involved reading blueprints, learning math, etc..I can't remember what the name of that was but you would start at 12 an hour with plenty of overtime available and for a person with nothing more than a GED, it's the shit. ....And if you didn't have the transportation for your training or job hunting, THEY GAVE YOU A FUCKING MONTHLY BUS PASS.

I didn't need to do either since I was a webmaster but I still thought it would be nice to learn a free fucking skill on the govt's dime so I picked the machining training...I couldn't BELIEVE how many ignorant muthafuckas picked the job searching line while the job training tables looked like a fuckin ghosttown..And we all know how the "job search" scam is bullshit..NOBODY busts their ass that hard to find a job that reflects their documentation...However, there were plenty of fools loudly complaining about how long they had to sit there for the orientation and how hard it was for them to take time out of their day of sitting in the house to have to come to the office.

I didn't get to take the training because I got cut off of foodstamps when they did an income verification some months later but I would have just because...

Oh and I forgot a third option...You could enroll in the local community college and they would PAY you to get a degree...Hardly anybody chooses that option..If I got paid a check just to go to school, I'd have a PHD.

All I know is that if I ever had to go on welfare, you best believe I'd make a come up out of it. I'd figure out a way for them to pay for me to go to Medical School. Fuck it..There's PLENTY of opportunity out there but for a lot of people it seems like it's just easier to sit on your ass and wait for a check in the mail and learn to live off of that...

Oh yeah...It's a CNC mechanic operator thingy...that's the name of the job that you could get trained in.

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Yeah, but the purpose of that is to get people off of welfare and into minimum wage jobs, where hopefully they'll work their way up and not receive EITC forever.

Also, once the minimum wage goes up above the poverty level ALOT of people are going to fall off the EITC rolls.

"Welfare" doesn't pay people to have babies --the *tax payers* pay people to have babies.

Average American families are taxed to the hilt to pay for these welfare programs and subsidies for illegal aliens, meanwhile, these same average American families have to do without themselves. It's not right.

Welfare fraud is also a huge problem. In my state, it is estimated that 30% of the welfare cases are fraudulent. It is a billion dollar problem.