Fucking Drama read here (2257 related)
 

ok so this joe francis thing has me kind of pissed... I just got off the phone with him to find out excatly what happend and now I am even more pissed...

OK so here is the situation he can't show ID's for al of his models so now he is on probation for 2 years and fined money yadda yadda but what gets me is no jail time?

picture this..

if I had a girl that I was throat fucking all over the net.. dvd's ect ect.. and it came out she was say 17 and a half... I would go to jail right? From what all my attorneys say each 2257 that is wrong it's a felony right... so then asnswer me why is joe not in jail?



and don't give me well he has the money.... the law is the law.... cause each and every one of you would be the first ones to come and hang me if I pissed all over some 17 year old.... but no one is bashing him? no one says what a piece of shit... maybe it's shit like that that is making it shitty for us.... I am sorry but Joe breaks all kind of rules when shooting that I can;t belive he gets away with..... girls being drunk.. underage.. ect ect.... stuff that I would never fuck with... so tell me now... shuold joe be in jail for shooting underage girls?

personally I think yeah.. fair is fair....

He dident know she was 17 so no I don't think he sould go to jail but I hope he learned to make sure you get ID's next time. Personally I wont even fuck with a girl under 21 I feel like I would be taking advantage of them. just my :2 cents:

Lame ass excuse :321GFY

he should be in jail imho.

Well I am sure it worked in the court of law and thats all that matters really and a nice chunk of money.

I remember watching a ggw movie a long time ago where the guy shooting the footage was standing by a car with 4 girls in it. The first 3 flash and the camera guy gives them a shirt. The last one asks, "what about me?" He asks her how old she is and she says, "17" then she flashes her tits and he gives her a shirt. I was a little shocked when I saw it. You would think that someone would have caught that and kept that footage out of the DVD.

The only thing I can think is that most of his stuff is girls flashing or just getting naked and the lawmakers don't see that as being on the same level as hardcore porn.

It is because he has a lot of money, is a celebrity of sorts. Our justice system treats people differently based on money and social status.

well its exactly like I said, law is made for these people that can't surpass it. I bet he has a kick ass attorney and thats how he gets away with anything.

Make sure you use it as your defense then... stick to your guns of being dumb and clueless.


How many times has he been popped for underage girls on his shit now?

In the same line of thinking, nobody that fucked Traci Lords when she was underaged has ever gone to jail... and there was a shitload of evidence to prove it happened, too. That kind of deception on the part of the model almost always ends up vilifying the model for fraudulently misrepresenting who she is. Just an opinion so feel free to shoot me down.

Two things, "failure to provide 2257" and "underage" are separate.
You can violate 2257 without having under age.
You can comply with 2257 and still have an underage because of fake ID.

No one went to jail over the Tracy Lords issue because she had provided fake ID and had fooled everyone. Is this the case here?

I hear you about fair is fair, but I can't help feeling like you are more interested in getting rid of the competition than some girls welfare.

It's just the tone of your post that makes me wonder.

ok it was probably plead down to a less offense so they wouldn't have to take it to trial . Probably a fine and community services with a probation :2 cents:

hate to break it to you but its rare rich men go to jail.

GGW case though is about flashing tits right?
Or do they do more.

I just cant equate flashing tits with porn especially when people used to be able to walk into 7-11 and buy a National Geographic with a 12 year old african girl with all her breast exposed on the cover.

Topless beaches around the world etc....

Plenty of parents allow their young girls to swim topless in a public pools,
thay haven't developed breast yet so nobody cares.
But they still are not 18.

I don't even know who that guy is.

:helpme

I wish he was my dad :(

Ummm...maybe that would be because he didn't throat fuck her :2 cents:

His shit is mostly "R rated" flashing and such for crying out loud.


No.


Looking for for some sig views, eh? :1orglaugh

ok here you al go defending him and thast excatly what I am talking about... the law is the law.... 2257 went into affect to protect children and for those of you that don't know thats anyone under 18... so that being said... does it really make a difference weather they fuck or not? the way the law is written it does not...

and GGW is more than just tittie flashing... they have girl girl, security gaurds fucking girls.. not to mention that the girls are drunk... thats a big no no in itself... the way the law is written you can't even have drinks on the set at all... so now tell me is that fair? like I said before fair is fair right? everyone bashes me for throat fucking girls and making a living at it... well he exploits children and makes a living out of it and he's a semi celebrity?

give me a fucking break... I have known joe for a few years now and he is no celebrity... he puts his pants on one leg at a time just like we do.. (cept he has hot ass mexican bitches putting them on for him)

I told him the same thing this morning when he got out of court... I said thats a fucked up situatuion when you get away with filming underage children and get some probation out of it.... you all know damn well if it was dirty danza on there that just throat fucked a girl who happen to be 17 and drunk that you guys would want to see me rott in hell am I right? and good reason too.. but thbis guy and his team give girls drinks, and other thigs as well that I know of when I was around for shooting... and he is a saint? are you fucking serious?


no to answer the sig clicks... no I am not here to get sig clicks I get enough.. everybody knows the dirty danza name like they do joe francis on here so I don't need the clicks... I like em but thats not what this thread is about ... this thread is about waking you fuckers up... like people who ICQ me and say man I know you convert well I want to send you traffic but I am scared because of your content it's to rough... well you know what.. wake up... joe get away with filming underage girls... this means that we can film what ever we want now and get away with it right? I mean he filmed the worst... he miase well go into a day care and film all the babies getting diapers changed....


I was filming at a public pool here in town some diving for my buddy... 7 cops rolled up and watched everything I filmed to make sure I only hit record when my buddy(28years okld) was diving... I had to turn camera all the way off when he was not on the board.... why is that? oh wait because there minors.... see where I am going with this? and having a good attorney is not the answer.. I have a great attorney one of the best in the biz.. yuo think he would 'want" to defend me in a CP ring? thats all that ggw is... a stupid CP ring that gets away with it because of people who say well it's just R rated it's OK... I am here to tell you.. there is no difference... are any of you parents? how would you feel if good ole dirty danza rolled over to take some pics of your daughter? I bet youd kill me at the door right? rightfully so.... so as an adult intustry if we all stand idly by and let them shut people down for obsenity and still stand by when a cp guys gets off... well my friends your no better than sickko who wants to see children taking tops off.....

this is not abot competetion with joe like I said were friends to an extent he knows how I feel about his stuff. plus the drunk party girl is a tottally different niche than the throat fucking niche which I am og of.. this is about waking up and seeing ...

then he should have went to the next girl with ID right? I send girls away everyday that don't have something I need...

Alot of 2257 jive lately.. Good to know im in the clear ;)

according to this were all in the clear paperwork or not

Look I am Dirty Danza you all know me and know of me.... I could really care less what type of content you shoot or what you do with your business thast your stuff... but bottom line is there better be a way to prove that it's 2 consenting ADULTS or 3 or 4 or 5 or a real fun time 10 but long as everyone is an adult

The laws don't change when you're rich - you just don't get in trouble for bending them

Sorry for a lame question, but who is Joe Francis?

Creator/CEO of Girls Gone Wild... Don't you watch the informercials? :1orglaugh

No, I don't. Am I missing something? :winkwink:

Ignorance of her actual age doesn't fly in court.

Are there any states where having sex with a 17 year old is illegal?

yeah every state if your an adult... age of consint does not mean that a 40 year old man can fuck a 16 year old girl... age of consint here in Nevada is 16 but thast only if your 16 or 17 if your 18 and have sex with a 17 year old it's stat ... if she's under 16 it's lude act.... so yeah to answer your question yes it's illegal in all states...

traci lords faked her ID... joe got none... theres a difference..

not checking id's before shots is just insane,lol

if ggw would be my operation there would be a simple solution to me... stay away from the US
he got lucky
i donno how he did it...
but you gotto give him props for what he has done
good job

he should be in jail for 30 days and if he does it again a year.

You have some points there

Hugh hefner did the same thing.

In truth i dont think the guy should be in jail , he did what every red blooded american college kid see's on spring break , he just recorded it for those who have never exp[erinced it themselves or want to remember..

On the other hand if we are all playing by the same book of rules then something is wrong here..

Do we want hard rules with no regard to context or bendable rules that people occasionally get railroaded .. ( assuming we cant have a perfect system lol )

In context what he did wasn't so bad.. but if the courts use that excuse they must also use the same rational when dealing with similar non-multimillionaire defendants , sadly this isnt the case.

You drunk buddy? GGW has never had security guards in on the action... no boy/girl at all actually. If cops were watching you record your buddy at the pool you should have told them to fuck off, theres no laws against filming people in public.

If the girls mis-presented their age that's their problem IMO, charge them too... she's 17 not 10, she obviously knew what she was doing :2 cents:

are you serious..... have you seen every ggw out there... cause I am watching one now where the girl is in the hallway of a hotel and the security gaurd is there and guess what hes doing bending her over and fucking her... are you claiming that my eyes are bad? 20/10 here baby I know what I see... so lets see here... your saying she was 17 thast ok? are an idiot as an owner of a company you have to look our for the best intrest of the company... saying she's 17 not 10 may be the dumbest statement I have heard all night...laws are laws... and yeah you can film who ever you want on public places but not kids... notice how they always block kids faces... any time the news is on here in nevada and there talking aobut kids say in court or whatever... they are not allowed to show the face because they are minor... so maybe check on your facts before you start preaching... keep in mind I have been shooting content for over 6 years and I tend to push the line alot with my content... so I get a lot of heat for it.. therefore my company is fully up top date on all laws when it comes to filming anywhere... ok my business license is a motion picture / tv/ audio production company I can film anywhere in vegas... we are insured for 2 mil with a 5 mil umbrella... anytime I film anything anything at all thats not porn related even example was the tony hawk huck jam or what ever it's called... when I put into the county to go film it first question on the pamplet I had to fill out was... do you plan on filming any minors if so you need a gaurdian to sign right... just like if a 17 year old girl goes to the doctor before they do anything the parents have to sign.. theres a reason she's a minor and if she mis respresented her age thast still joe's fault... just like if I shot a girl that was underage and she lied to me I would still have to take blame for it.... if I recall they had to recall all traci lords videos right?

The guy that shot the video and knew or should have know that the girl was under age, is the one that should be sitting in jail, He and the company, if he was not present when it happened, should just be fined.

Of course this Danza guy is sleaze, have you ever watched one of his videos? This guy's preaching morality here? :321GFY

well as the owner of the company you have to take the blame... it sucks I know but thats what has to happen... if a mechanic forgets to put in your drainplug when changing your oil the company buys you a new motor... not the mechanic...

Seems to me what you are really complaining about is the deal his lawyers were able to make for him...

from the AVN.com story:

This case is no different from most any legal case..the judge has the ability to impose a variety of penalties on the guilty party. He admitted guilt, made a deal for a lesser sentence..the DOJ and the Judge accepted the deal terms. Yes he could have fought it and who knows he might be in jail if he had..but he didn't.

Does his celebrity and ability to afford top legal representation make a difference?..I'm sure it didn't hurt, at the same time I'm sure they choose to investigate him in an attempt to make a high profile example of him as well...so it's a double edged sword...could have easily gone either way.

You could possibly have the same options if you were in his situation..would the DOJ/prosecutors willingness to make a deal with you based on the subject matter be considered? of course..just as any case would be based on the details of the crime...happens every day, nothing new.

Is a vanilla porn producer going to be judged differently than extreme hardcore producer?..probably so.
Right or wrong its the world we live in.
We can debate that subject all day...in the end reality sets in and you have to ask yourself if you are willing to take the risk?
Are you willing to fight and take a chance at jail time? or if given the opportunity would you take probation and community service?

did you even read all my posts on here.. I am not preaching morality here... I throat fucks girls for a a living... but were all pornographers... no difference I am not better than you you are not better than me.. were pronographers.. people who want candy coat porn saying oh well it's just girls flashing or oh he's trash beause he pisses on girls.. different strokes for different folks...the point of this post is be fair... if I were to have a underage girl because I do shoot the pissing , puking stuff I would be in jail right now and you all would be all for me being in jail... joe and GGW will get underage girls drunk then get em nakkie in front of the camera.. all he gets is a fine? you really think thats right? you realize that him getting away with that just opened pandoras box for every guy with a camera right? now he gets away with it all this 2257 which is supposed to sepreate the big guys from the pipsqueeks is really worth nothing because he just won that case.... kind of like row v. wade now it's going to be mantus v. whoever anytime someone gets arrested on CP now all they have to do if they have a good attorney is bring this cacse up.. pay some fines and no jail time... is that alright with you guys?

I don't think he's preaching morality, I think he's preaching legality. Whether or not you agree with his content is irrelevant...he keeps proper documents and it is legal. I don't particularly give a shit about GGW one way or the other, but Joe Francis has gotten away with a lot of shit that others would have been crucified for. Then again OJ got away with murder...obviously I'm not comparing the 2 crimes, but a good legal team will get you out of ANY mess.

wow an intelegent post....



well bro honestly... I think it's a fucked up situation that we all deal with everyday... I get it everyday for obsenity who's to say whats obscene.. but this was underage girls... bottom line... the judge is at fault as well... I am not pissed at joe at all or his attorneys they did what there paid to do right.... but the legal system that lets that happen... look were in a high risk business for everything... std's fraud,pimps,2257, you name it we take that chance in this industry...it just reminds me of the dave chapelle stand up..... when he's talking about his white buddy speeding and gets pulled over... so his buddy says to the cop... "i.... i didn't know I couldent do that"..... joe knew.. and if he didn't know then people would be getting fired on the spot for not bringing it to my attention.... ..

it's a fucked up thing when a guy who shoots "vanilla porn" gets away with filming underage girls but if people like steve sweet, me, duke, max filmed underage girls we'd be serving jail time.... and for anyone to sit here and say well it's just topless... were pornographers..... I consider myserlf in the same boat as say steve lightspeed, or danni..... do I shoot that type of content? nope but I would come to their backs anyday of the week because were all pornographers.... we have laws set in plae and we have to follow them... thats all I am going to say... a year ago when that 2257 thing for secondary producers.... that scared the shit outta everyone right? well it's a law and as company owners we went about ensuring that we did not break the law and we obide by that law...


I mean really and truley can people on this board really sit here and say that it's ok for him to get out of it the way he did?

Because they would rather take his money than pay for his stay in jail.

The law should be the same for everybody.

This all happened before 2257 was law !

Riiiiight, you just got off the phone with Joe Francis just like you were going to kick Kimbo's ass. :thumbsup

that was my first thought as well lol