I?m coming clean on Extraterrestrials
 

They do exist!

Well, not like in the movies, they don?t follow proper protocol and physically land in your backyard and say ?take me to your leader?.

We humans are unique and come with different expectations on what is suitable evidence, anyway some of us want to believe and some would rather remain in the safety of our cultural bubble. The vast majority in fact will remain asleep to reality and continue to live in the illusions crafted for us by religions, scientists, and politicians---to each his or her own.

There are those that know something is going on because they have experienced alien contact on one level or other and they want to know more. Unfortunately it?s from this group that come the worst kind of skeptics; demanding proof, they want to be able to kick the tires and take a test drive in an alien ship before they invest any more of their emotions into the belief of ET.


Then there are the primadonnas, they are far too intelligent and important to fall for such rubbish as aliens from space. For them extraterrestrial existence implies the inferiority of humans, and that is not acceptable for them.

For some the real conundrum is why contactees are not on the same page with their stories? Reasonable inquiry

But it?s also fair to ask why aren?t scientists, theologians, politicians and countries on the same page concerning their perspective beliefs, fields of expertise, or sovereignty issues?

Perhaps the question should be why are there billions of diverse life forms on planet earth---bacteria, plant, animal, insect and the new one on the block nano technology?

If our planet is so mind boggling varied in ideas and life forms how much more so the infinite universe we live in?

Earth is being visited by many extraterrestrial entities that are also not on the same page with each other, let alone with humans, therefore conflicting accounts with contactees are the norm not the exception.

I hate to say this man, but your about to get made fun of. I wouldn't bring up ETs in here. Post over in aliensthetruth.com forum

“Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized. In the first it is ridiculed, in the second it is violently opposed, in the third it is regarded as self-evident” - Arthur Schopenhauer

dude i am so with you. now can i have a hit of acid so i can REALLY get wit ya. :thumbsup

However, that depends on it being a truth to start off with, which this is not, so the above quote does not apply in this case.

Humans, as long as they exist, will almost certainly never come across intelligent life which originated on another planet.

Well thats a really sad thought! But I'm pretty sure we were brought here by ET and aren't monkeys. This planet is a giant dna incubator for the galaxy to play with. :upsidedow

And the bits of the galaxy which want to play with this giant incubator get here how exactly?

you are sure of this how?

please explain since you post with such certainty

Down with ET

Ok lets not assume that ETs are using rocket fuel as there source of propulsion, and that they *might be a million years advanced of us. How far have we come in only 100 years? Went from Hot Air Balloon to Stealth Bomber. The world isn't flat man. You'd be a fool to think that we couldn't explore other galaxies in the next century. :2 cents:

Why is it that people who believe in alien abductions, astrology, ESP and omnipotent beings always think everyone who disagrees with them are "closed-minded"? As if, someone couldn't research and think on a subject and decide that no, cattle mutilations are not due to alien cattle ranchers.

My dog's take shits that are more intelligent than you.

Because they are closed minded. :)
Wake up people - we aren't the only ones in the galaxy. They just found water flowing on Mars. How much more obvious does it have to get?

and I don't believe in Astrology either. Abductions and Mutilations are happening, and its not some satanic cult.

Go and spend an hour researching basic astrophysics with regard to interstellar travel then you'll know for yourself without me having to write a 5000 word post about it.

Go and do the same as Phoenix, which is to read about the limits of physics on interstellar travel and you might find a clue.

Being open minded or closed minded or any type of minded in between has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the reality of universal law, which is what these people fail to understand.

I know a few nuclear physicists and astrobiologists that would totally disagree with you. Science is still in its infancy my friend.

What are the ODDS of life appearing on a planet with water? We know absolutely nothing about that. We can't generalize from our one experience.
Abiogenesis appears, on the face of it, to be a very low probability event. Maybe it is not but again we know next to nothing. To go from "We don't know much about it" to "It exists and is visiting us" is not open-minded. It is exactly the opposite. An open-minded person would accept the possibility that maybe we are alone. Maybe life is so improbable that even with the vastness of the size of the universe it has only appeared once.

Maybe the factor in the Drake Equation for number of potential planets with life that develop it is so absurdly low that we can't expect to find life elsewhere.

My BS is in physics. Am I closed-minded because I don't believe that people are being abducted by aliens?

You are close minded because you haven't researched UFO's, Abductions, Cattle Mutilations that have happened for the past 50 years. I don't blame you for not believing. Maybe you should look into some of the research that has been done by scientists studying the UFO issue and Cattle Mutilations.
I would check out Stanton Friedman's site, a nuclear physicist. Also,
check out reports by airline pilots, police officers, military brass. Most recently the O'hare UFO sighting witnessed by United Airline Pilots. All witnessed a spinning metallic disc shaped object hovering over the gate, which then took off straight upward and left a hole in the cloud.
You gotta love the FAA's explanation for this one - Weird Weather

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/02/ufo....ap/index.html

Since when does weather create spinning metallic objects in the sky?

heres more for you UFO people:

• United Airlines workers reported saucer-shaped craft over Chicago, Illinois
• Workers, including pilots: Object hovered over airport, shot up through clouds
• FAA not investigating report, which it says was made November 7
• "Our theory on this is that it was a weather phenomenon," FAA says

You say "physicist" or "scientist" as if that should somehow put some authority to the belief. Well, there are people with any number of degrees who believe in all sorts of things. You can find people with degrees in biology, chemistry or physics who believe in ghosts or big foot or creation science. So what? I have a degree in physics from Yale University (1996). I don't think that gives me some sort of special insight into whether people are being abducted by aliens. No, it gives me none at all. Had I followed that up with an advanced degree in physics I still wouldn't have any. It has nothing to do with physics.

What is there to research? Pictures, movies, interviews. This is no physics in that. There is certainly no nuclear physics involved in believing whether the pictures of the reflections of lampshades in a window are really UFOs. Tell me; what does a muon have to do with UFOs?

There are witnesses to all sorts of things. Jesus' mom appears almost weekly in latin american countries (she doesn't seem to appear in Hindu countries though). Some people claim that a prehistoric creature has been swimming in Lake Ness for about the past 1000 years. Some big footed ape-man walks British Columbia. Or is it California? Or maybe it is China? I can't seem to remember. He sure gets around. Maybe he has an airplane. Maybe the aliens give him a life.

I was quite interested in UFOs when I was in my early teens. I decided that I didn't believe people were being abducted by aliens and being experimented on by alien biologists.

if you have a B.Sc in Physics..you'd know it is B.Sc not BS

Another thing to add - Airline Pilots are trained observers. They are trained to observe weather conditions and aircraft. If they see a metallic spinning disc shaped object hovering over a terminal, then that is what they see. If they cannot identify it as another aircraft, then it is a UFO.

Limits to our current level of understanding that is. Not to someone elses level of understanding. As for "universal laws" it is like einstein said "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one".

As for more proof, please see the disclosure project. High level people in government agencies, scientists, military and other credible sources who came together to ligt the veil of the biggest coverup of all.

B.S. is in common usage at Yale and many other schools.
http://www.yale.edu/physics/undergra...revision.shtml
http://www.yale.edu/yalecollege/publ...nts/index.html

You can see an article from 1999 if you follow the google link below:

"...and Colin graduated from Yale University in 1996 with a bachelor's degree in physics. "

http://www.highbeam.com/docprint.asp...d=1G1:58086195
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...&btnG =Search

Yeah, cos us humans know almost nothing :upsidedow

Most people I know who believe in alien abductions think the government "lies about' and "covers up" everything. So now these same people are credible witnesses? Or is it just the people who agree with you who are credible witnesses?

touche then...i just go by what i see on the paper

These people worked with the secret projects deep inside the government, all of them are very very intelligent people. Do some research before you bash something my friend. I guess these people where just sick of the coverups of free energy technology and all the lies and misdirection. They say themselves that they want the understanding and technology avalible to the people not hidden in some obscure ultra-security lab in the desert.

That is the problem with anything really, people look at it through their narrow window of understanding trapped by their beliefsystem and bash it without even looking into the facts. The only way to make your window wider is to research the facts, then you can choose for yourself if it is true or not. Never disregard anything because of your current understanding of reality.

For instance, what does your programming tell you if I say that George W Bush is a sun worshipping satanist?

Oh, I get it all right. What you believe is open-minded. What others believe is "close-minded". What you believe is the result of research. What others believe is because they "haven't looked into the facts". What you write is "reasoned discourse". what others write is "bashing due to lack of knowledge". Now THAT is close-minded.

Hey, if you want to believe in conspiracy theories, government coverups of alien technologies, alien cattle mutilations, governments hiding free energy sources in order to increase oil profits and ultra-secret reverse-alien technology labs in the desert you just go ahead. The men in the helicopters are coming for ya.

one would think that would be the last word on the subject. unfortuneately, this is gfy... where absolute ignorance, is believed by many to be the last stage of enlightenment.

As long as aliens don't have credit cards they might as well not exist.

amen brother

Go for it

Quote of the day ^-^

What do UFO's and smart blondes have in common?

You keep hearing about them, but never see any.

:thumbsup :thumbsup

Ok lets bury this one. :)

Source: The Exponent - Purdue University,West Lafayette, Indiana, USA

http://www.purdueexponent.org/index....&story_id=3746

01/23/07

Government Fails To Look Into O'Hare UFO
By Editorial Board


Earth was visited by aliens in November. Or at least it's
possible. Many employees of O'Hare Airport in Chicago have come
forward and described a round gray object hovering just below
cloud level around 4:30 p.m. on Nov. 7. But since then, there
has not been a single probe by the FAA or the government.

It is understandable that every alien spacecraft sighting is not
investigated. Simply poking around the Internet for 10 seconds
looking for information on UFOs will reveal an astonishing
amount of sightings. But there is something different about the
O'Hare case. In this instance, many employees and a few pilots
have come forward and presented United Airlines (where most of
the employees worked) and the FAA with accounts of an object
hovering over Terminal C. Six of these individuals have spoken
with the media under the condition of anonymity. These
individuals, although viewing the aircraft from different
vantage points, all describe roughly the same account of the
visit, including the object suddenly bursting through the cloud
cover and leaving a hole behind.

Both the amount of witnesses and their credibility is extremely
high. That is what sets the O'Hare sighting apart from most
other sightings. These employees are well-trained mechanics,
managers and pilots whose main motivation for reporting the
sighting was the safety of airline passengers. But even after
such a large amount of people risked their livelihoods and
reputations to report a UFO, nobody has taken them seriously.

United refuses to acknowledge that any incident ever occurred,
saying there is no record of the event. The FAA has chosen not
to investigate, chalking everything up to a weather phenomenon.
Why?

By ignoring the statements of a multitude of incredible
witnesses, the organizations hope the issue will just go away.
It probably will. But this is not a viable course of action.
There should be an investigation about the sighting, if for no
other reason than the fact that objects flying over restricted
airspace could cause accidents killing hundreds of people. Maybe
it wasn't a UFO, but the public deserves to know their plane
isn't going to be blindsided upon runway approach by a weather
balloon. And maybe, during the investigation, we find out what
visited O'Hare. The truth is out there

and I'll end it with some leaked news footage that people shouldn't have seen.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...re+ufo &hl=en

and heres the actual broadcast:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...hare+ufo&hl=en

when did "unidentified flying object" - i.e. something in the sky that can't be identified ... automatically mean "intelligent life from another planet"

when it hovered over the terminal for awhile then shot straight upward and left a hole through the cloud.

so because you don't have an explanation... you invent one that makes you happy and fill in the blanks with answers that you feel comfortable with. basically its like a faith based religion... because after all, you have no solid proof other than unexplained events. how do you know it wasn't Jesus working another miracle?

you know whats weird?... all these super intelligent beings, traveling the galaxy and universe and not a single one has thought about trying to communicate. they just fly around, scaring the shit out of toothless hillbillies in remote villages. they must have a great sense of humor.

they are coming