Owners of Neteller Arrested in the US
 

http://uk.pokernews.com/news/2007/1/...-suspended.htm

loooks like the us gvt is really going after everyone involved with internet gameing

Funny how I think other people should be on top of the list instead of these guys ....

Makes you wonder if it is safe to go to the US or even stop over .

Shitty news...

their time will come...

Jesus that's nuts!

Saw this elsewhere:

Egaming Review is reporting that the office of the US attorney in New York, southern district, has confirmed they will be issuing a press release at 5.45 UK time regarding the arrests on Monday of former NETeller directors Stephen Lawrence and John Lefebvre.

The spokesperson would not comment any further other than to confirm this is a Federal matter rather than a state matter.

Both former executives and founders were detained on Monday by federal authorities. So far, it is uncertain what the men are being charged with. News of the arrests were initially reported by Christopher Costigan of Gambling911.com. The story sent shockwaves throughout the entire internet gambling industry.

Many industry observers doubted the veracity of the claim at the time of the initial story, however the doubt soon lifted once the board of directors of publicly listed NETeller (symbol: NLR), formally requested a suspension of trading in the companies shares on the London Stock Exchange (AIM).
With over 3 million customers in 160 countries, 3,500 merchants, and over $7 billion in annual transactions, the NETELLER Group operates the largest independent online money transfer business in the world.

Point-Spreads.com has spoken to several internet gambling operators that have privately stated this incident, while unexpected, should not have an immediate impact on their business. haMany others are taking a ?wait and see? approach. haIf NETeller decides to pull out of the US marketing, many internet gambling websites will feel the sting. haNETeller is one of the most popular payment options used by internet gamblers and operators due to its ease of use.

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question

does epassporte allow internet gaming transactions?

I used to go to the US up to 10 times a year.
Now I avoid it like the plague, unless I have to go. Shit like this, and the hassle of entering, just makes it not worth it.

They rounded up a whole bunch at a convention a while bac any one know how many?

The irony. In many states in America you can walk into almost any corner store and buy $1000 worth of lottery tickets, scratch off etc...and it's all legal.

More people squander their money on lottery than any online game.

Then there is Las Vegas and Atlantic City...etc...

I don't get it.

Amazing how backwards government is.

well not only ac and vegas but you now have hundreds of indian casinos around the country

one of them is actually buying the HardRock franchise global operations

Hrmph.

I dream of, one day, waking up in a country that respects my right to make my own choices in this world.

The Irony....

No one has any idea what they were arrested for. They might have been trying to sell a nuclear bomb for all you guys know.

But Hey! Its GFY... who needs facts... or even a basic understanding of the issue to start making arguments.
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The Indian casinos, Atlantic city, Vegas and the lotteries all pay their taxes to the government.

I believe that the lobbyists for the above mentioned groups also pushed hard to get online gaming nixed.

:2 cents:

Only in America. What a retarded goverment... Un Fucking Real

Throw in the slot machines that exist all over the place in the south and the slot arcades too. The US obviously has some serious gambling problems, I'm not too sure why they would tafrget the virtual guys first, it doesn't really make any sense to me. There must be something more to this story that hasn't been reported yet

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Amazing how prior events have no influence on your stiff brain...

But they probably were hiding Bin Laden in their suitcases.... :1orglaugh

Sure is:

http://web.archive.org/web/200403031...nt_gamb_nv.pdf

So true...but we know who we are dealing with in America and we can assume accurately that no matter what the actual charge is, the gambling is what got the US interested.

Welcome to America, if we can't get you for what you really did then we make up something.... can you say WMD..."Wager Managing Domestics?"

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Well I am willing to go out on a limb and suggest that they were not arrested for selling nuclear bombs...

...or do you suggest that we should desist from informed speculation until the authorities have seen fit to tell us what is going on?

"Yess sir Mr Govt it all right by me sir you just be doing your bit to make america the finest place to live sir..."

thats serious news :\

don't step foot in the usa!

i know you are incapable of rational thought, particularly when you percieve an opportunity to bash the US... but let me try to slow this down for you

N O O N E K N O W S W H A T T H E Y W E R E C H A R G E D W I T H

so... if you don't know. you are assuming or guessing.

fucking moron.

as far as I know federal laws superseed local laws

but im no lawyer

Yes they do, but I wonder for how much longer.

and their owners i believe are american and reside in the us

I have to agree the jr here

I did make the assumption that it is internet gambling related in my first post

I guess spitzer will be making an announcement about it shortly

opps i forgot spitzer isnt the atorrney general in ny anymore

well i guess we have the answer now

I think it's bullshit, but it's their own fault for coming into this country.

the morons even admitted in company docs that they may be liable to prosecution in the us

and they STILL traveled here

:1orglaugh

THE US GOVERNMENT IS NOT GETTING THEIR SHARE!


Pretty simple.

It's only a matter of time - they are already on "lists" which the US government is so fond of creating for others...

This shit is a continuation of WTO violation where US domestic laws - the Wire Act, Travel Act and the new Illegal Gambling Business Act are contrary to WTO rulings and in violation of US obligations under global trade agreements.

The issue has already been heard and judged upon and a final enforcement ruling is epected anytime now where it's only a matter of the US agreeing to comply or suffer penalties/barriers to trading with WTO nations.

It's ironic the issue of David Carruthers (BetOnSports) is still continuing - and the US considers it can arrest individuals on issues where the US has already been judged to be in violation of WTO rulings. But.. there are idiots everywhere and until the US does comply - their own laws are worth ignoring.

It's time a few US citizens were arrested on foreign soil for violation of domestic laws - what's good for one is good for another :pimp

Na... avoid even doing stop-overs in the US - don't travel to rogue regimes or police states - they need to learn how to behave first :Oh crap Noticed the same with others flying here - they cringe at flights via the US and prefer direct - not that they are legal issues - it's just a pain in the ass.

Probably they farted in public.. or flashed a breast with an exposed nipple ... You are such an idiot ...

SO:

A for bashing the US, please show me the last thread I started that could be viewed as USA bashing...

Let me tell you that it could be a full time job, with all the shit your country is involved in... but I do not have time for that.


Wait till other countries start arresting your executives for whatever moral reasons they feel like ...

Meanwhile, your flag needs more waving :1orglaugh

Argh! Crazy stuff!

Those guys are fucked. When you really think about it, what they did was an almost perfect example of money laundering. On one end of the transaction, they obviously knew it was a gambling business. On the other ende, they oviously knew they were dealing with U.S. citizens, since they had the personal info. Then, to top it off, they acknowledge all of these facts in public documents! They're DONE!

i wonder what were they doing in this 4th world shithole of a US anyway...

haha, the funny thing is, this is all a waste of tax dollars

they will never ever stop online money poker in the US

Yea? :winkwink: Money laundering?? According to who? The US? Gimme a break..

Of course they knew transactions were related to gaming. Of course they knew US citizens were involved. That is not the issue... tho the US may like it to be.

The fact is the US is violating WTO global trading treaties by inhibiting the transfer of funds to legal entities in other jurisdictions. The jury has already returned a verdict on this in 2005 and the enforcement of that WTO ruling is expected this month.

Laywers can yap all they like, but countries where domestic laws are in conflict/violation of international agreements have little ground to stand on in the bigger picture.

Even after the WTO judgement of restrictive trade practices, US lawmakers then engaged in further violation by introducing the Illegal Gambling Business Act which restricted trade even further. If a country can't keep to it's obligations internationally - that country needs to fuck off and be excluded from the benefits.

This is all posturing and pathetic attempts to play hardball and protect US the gaming industry - all crap and unwinable.

USA is sure a great place to do business though. Everyone seems to love our dollars. You conveniently forgot to mention that.

In fact, I prefer Euros ....

SEALAND beckons you :winkwink:

I like the editor's note at the end of the article:

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Conveniently what?? Duh??? :winkwink:

You forgot there is little value in a half price dollar - got anything more worthwhile to offer? :)

It's not a contest over countries - the US is fine otherwise, just that the government stinks and is the most useless disorganized flock with little benefit to US people or the rest of the planet. If ever anyone could fuck up a candystore and drive it into insolvency - they could. They'd prob be put on trial elsewhere :pimp

We face 2257 expenses and possibly severe penalties .... then you have google images and pornotube .... same government double standards.