HDTV, 1080p ??? LCD vs Plasma???
 

ok so im a moron so naturally i come here for best advice

i have dig high def cable now so i want to get a flat screen to mount on the wall - but shopping for this shit makes me miss communism.

im concerned about 'backwards compatibility' (i want to be able to watch my archie bunker dvds) ... ive read that LG has some X engine to make SD appear normal on HDtvs,

some guy that looked like jabba the hut at the store told me sony has a version of this also i forget the name. this guy was telling me the 1080p will make my old regular 4:3 dvds better than on a 780p/1080i HDTV. i thought 1080p was just for ps3 and otherwise a far off technology???

anyone understand all this bullshit and want to throw in their 2 cents? christ i just want a good probably 40-50" with enough inputs for dvd and dig cable and i dont want the meathead to look fucked up and i cant have the old dvds not work on the new tv becuase i like to masturbate looking at sally struthers.

TIA!

Don't forget DLP.

"i have dig high def cable now so i want to get a flat screen to mount on the wall"

i have no idea what the fuck is DLP ... bdjuf i can only assume your telling him DLP is irrelevant by quoting what i said ???

id go with the lcd over the plasma anyday.

DLP = laser projector? nah i dont want that shit (if thats what DLP is)

fourteen.....

what about 1080p ??? do i need it or will gloria stivic look good on 720p?

1080p plasmas are rather rare now. They are probbaly about $10K still. 1080p LCD on the other hand is much cheaper.

SD TV will look like shitty regardless. Especially so on 1080p.

If you are more into movies, plasmas and other technologies such as DLP, SXRD, and LCOS are good choices. Those others at not flat though. Roughly 20 inches thick, but will provide a better picture IMO.

LCD has low constrast ratio which is kind of shitty for movies. Bad contrast makes blacks look gray.

Honestly, judging by your knowledge of TVs based on your first post, I doubt you realy care about that stuff and won't notice. Ifyou must choose between LCD and plasma, goLCD, because I doubt you'll care about the difference in quality with respect to price. SXRD and DLP are cheaper than both LCD and plasma, but are prbably better. They just arent wall moutable flat screens like LCD and Plasma

BTW, I'm not sure how big you want to go but Westinghouse has some very affordable 1080p LCD sets that range from 37-47 inches. Good reviews. Great value for your dollar. Price range os 999-1700ish I think.

so the guy was full of shit telling me 1080p would make SD look better? douche also told me BRAVIA Engine on sony's would clean up analog ... that it was sonys version of LG's "XD engine"

"LG?s proprietary XD Engine technology takes low-resolution analog signals to near high-definition levels, providing better overall picture quality."

Go with LCD, IMO
Richard

Sure, there is stuff to help. But there is a simple rule to apply to video. Garbage in, garbage out.

Sure you can clean it up a little, and some TV's do better than others, but for the most part, SD will look crappy. Good quality SD could look ok, but crappy SD will look like total shit.

HDTV is meant for HD, not SD.

the 1080 means there are 1080 lines going accross the screen showing you the images/frames.

the i means 'interlaced' which means it shows you every other line the first frame, then the others the second. ex: lines 1, 3, 5, etc... then 2, 4, 6, etc... which means lower quality, plus your eye, if focused, will noticed this and it does bother your eyes...

the p means 'progressive' which means the shows all lines. much cleaner, better, higher quality.


however, 1080p, as cleaner as it is, not really worth getting yet.. blue ray technology is not there yet and tv hd broadcast is not there yet either...

if the tv you want comes with it, cool, if not, don't make it a priority for a tv to have...

and if you have the room, you're better off getting a dlp :thumbsup

Go to best buy and click TVs and start reading. Lots of info on that site

1080 is nice but not many channels are available in 1080. I would go with DLP over LCD or plasma. You can get 1080 DLP too if 1080 is a must. Mitsubishi, Sony, Toshiba and Samsung have 1080 DLP. I'm sure there are more out there too.

LG = Goldstar, which is crappy made Korean shit, just like Samsung. Avoid both brands and Sony. You will kick yourself if you get a LCD. Plasma looks so much better and 50" ones aren't expensive now.

This article should help:

http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages_b/10...ear_later.html

I have the 50" LG plasma, old vids, dvd's are fine on it.

I'm looking at getting the Sharp Aquos or the Sony with the glass border (forget the type... Bravia?) in 46 inches.

It seems like they have better resolution now 1920 x 1080 compared to the old 1300x780 (sorry forget what it is exactly).

Just wondering, does this resolution change help basic cable at all from the lower rez (Even though it still looks like anus)? I'm sure it helps out with dvds and games correct?

Thanks in advance.

Plasma is a faulty technology that is dying a somewhat fast death ..

Plasma screens do not have the quality, nor the luminance (lux) of LCD, and the images can BURN into them! LCD does not have these problems.

Leave plasma for blood transfusions, and go get a nice new LCD!!!

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Are you on crack, or just pretending to know what you are talking about ???

Anybody who knows the TV/flat panel market, will tell you you are 100% FULL OF SHIT! :Oh crap

Goldstar is not in the same category as Samsung or Sony, but is an alright entry level TV ... Daewoo (also Korean) is probably a much better set for marginally more than a Goldstar.

If you have more room in your budget, then Mitsubishi, Panasonic, Sony, Samsung, and Pioneer are all very competitive in the flat panel LCD market.


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thanks - it did help (re 1080p - seems useless for now ...)

from what im reading, no it doesnt help, it hurts b/c basic cable is not sending enough info to 'fill in' the 1080p tvs, to put it simply - SOMEONE PLZ CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG, with the exception of ps3 which outputs for 1080p and ?blu-ray? dvds. some good links posted here, just on a learning curve cause i have to google to understand the stuff ive googled ;)

That X engine is just a fancy name for a video upscaler(convert 480 to 720/1080), all TV's with a native resolution over 480 have a built in upscaler so it's nothing more then marketing. Higher end dvd players will have a much better upscaler then anything built into a TV.

AS far as plasma and LCD are concerned it really depends on your viewing environment. Do you watch alot of movies, are in a poorly lit room? Then plasma is a much better choice. If the room the very bright with a lot of windows a higher end LCD might be better. Plasma's have better black levels and alot less motion blurr. Both of which are more noticeable during dark scenes or in a darker room, but they also usually have more reflective screens, not good for bright rooms with alot of windows.

LCD's have less reflective screens but shitty black levels, they usually look great during the day and with sports and animated movies or anything with bright scenes, but aren't that great for regular movies or in a darker room.

Burn in on plasma's is no where near what it use to be. It's not something you have to worry about much these days. Don't leave a movie pause for hours at a time, but other then that you'll be ok.

Samsung makes some of the best DLP's and is what I would recommend. If you really want it on a wall then look plasmas. Also is you don't really care about anything HD, then an EDTV plasma may be the way to go and save yourself some money in the process.

Since you don't really know much about the technologies make sure you buy from some where with a decent return policy. So you can view it in your home for a few days and see how you like it.

Becareful of what salesmen tell you, they rarely know what the hell they're talking about.

martin3 thanks for the nfo ... checking on EDTV now

this is a good read for anyone trying to understand, like me:

http://www.projectorcentral.com/video_signals.htm

Don't feel like really getting into tons of info, but there is some good info here already.

My pick... for a flat wall hanging unit. Especially anything larger than about 40" Go with a plasma.

I have a 61" Mitsubishi plasma, like all "good" plasmas, it is BRIGHT, great motion, great contrast, better black levels than LCD, and well, its friggin tight, because its a plasma. and yes, Plasmas can burn in if you leave the same stagnant image on your screen 24 hours a day, but they have gotten much better.

go with an LCD, expensive but worth every penny

You can't get data that isn't there. Those selling the idea that upconverting can magically make video HD quality are full of shit. Sure it helps, but not nearly to the degree that they try to make it out to be.

Which TV you want/need really depends on where you are setting it up. If you are setting it up in a basement or in a room solely dedicated to A/V shit (i.e. small theater) you could go with a projection HDTV. If the room is more of a casual room, you may want to go the Plasma route.

Regardless, in late 2007 (or maybe mid if they get their shit together) SED TV's will start rolling out. SED is basically the Plasma killer, after SED is released there will be no need to get a Plasma (other than a secondary TV when the prices drop). SED TV's maintain the quality of a CRT screen with the thin-form factor of a LCD. Going to be fucking sweet.

Please don't get EDTV. That would be such a dumb thing to do.

I Think LCD best

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTE...080_Flat_Panel

This is an awesome TV we bought recently. (It's called KDL-40W2000 here in Europe) Very pleased with it and even though it's an LCD it has great contrast and blackness.

i would choose the plasma tv

i'd get the plasma. i just picked up my 2nd Panasonic - a 50" on sale for $2000 at Best Buy last weekend.

if you watch a lot of sports, LCDs have issues displaying fast-moving images. something just looks off.

for value, get a Vizio. Panasonic is the best you can do until you hit the Pioneers which cost a lot more.

Got a 52" microdisplay and it rocks. If the thing burns a bulb I can replace the parts not the whole thing. Can't do that with LCD or Plasma and mine doen't have the latency problems of either of them.

Latency problems don't really exist anymore in TV's.

Check out sams club. thier vizio hdtv's are pretty nice and really affordable. If you are not an enthusiast it won't matter to you too much.

LCD is the way to go!

I've got a 55" LCD and there is no problem with darkness levels or contrast levels. I watch basketball on it every other day and there is no "motion blur" at all. I looked at plasma, but with the average life of 30,000 hours compared to mine at 60,000 I went with LCD.

The biggest complaint I have is HD channels that do not show HD programming. The HD market is not large enough for the broadcasters to show every show in HD. So they fill slots with non-HD programs, yet the cable company charges you for HD.

Bah.

What you need for your old/normal DVD's is an upconverting dvd player.
ie: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1158323325814

I have noticed on my Samsung plasma that analog channels(normal cable channels, for me 2-76) look like total shit, 1000% worse then they do on a regular crt tv., SD which is standard digital looks for the most part as good as dvd, and HD looks better then SD

sony takes lcd panels from samsung
sony don't make own lcd panels :)

samsung makes one of the best or the best lcd panels

search on google for sony samsung lcd

and you will see, samsung had better technology of lcd panels than sony, so sony work with samsung

sony lcd = samsung lcd


panasonic philips and thomson is the one TCL CHINA company
they bought some known big companies...
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu...0117/index.htm

samsung is very good, its korean not chinese :)

I can see why people like LCD's especially with how the latest generation of Samsungs & Sonys have improved. I own a Plasma myself and like the image under glass look, I can't quite describe it...when I see a movie on a LCD it just doesn't feel like a film experience to me.

LCD all the way for now

I've just bought Philips top model which is the 42" LCD 9831D

Even though it's "only" 720p i beats the shit out of all other TV's I've seen so far.. Philips' technology is so far ahead...

SD TV signals looks like DVD on this TV..

3 ms, most other LCDs only performs 8ms... ClearLCD to reduce ghosting... the natural motion engine is insane - makes the quality sooo much better..

Just before I bought this I saw it live next to Samsungs newest 1080p and Samsung doesn't even come close.. the TV was ghosting like insane - which is the biggest problem with LCD screens...

The ghosting on 9831D goes from very little to none..

And btw. the full surround ambilight is soo fucking cool...

http://www.feelgoodspot.com/misc/9831d2.jpg