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marketsmart 11-09-2006 02:46 PM

How To Crush Zango - Anal Hobbit Style
 
100 people get together in different city states. You sue for $5k at the same time. Of course Zango must be responsible for hurting your business. You take screen caps and bring a laptop to court showing how the sponsors are stealing your traffic.

100 small claims cases. That means that the sponsor has to defend 100 cases. That equals big legal money. Or, they dont show up and you win default judgement.

Now 1 $5k default judgement wont get people begging to help you recover, but 100 cases (default judgement) equals $500k and that will get people out of the woodwork trying to help you collect for their 30-40% cut.

Now, if the sponsor chooses to defend, they are looking at a minimum of $2-3k per case to hire legal, or send legal to defend, or expenses to defend in person...

In either case, its a losing proposition for them (the sponsor).

I have 5-6 people willing to do this, so i need 95 more...

If you want to stop zango from stealing your sales, this is a smart strategy...

marketsmart 11-09-2006 02:47 PM

btw.. this thread is not Anal Hobbit Approved....

WiredGuy 11-09-2006 02:49 PM

You realize you actually have to go through the process of proving sales were lost and in a malicious manner. The fact that a surfer has their toolbar installed isn't malicious, it was a concentual install.
WG

marketsmart 11-09-2006 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 11281227)
You realize you actually have to go through the process of proving sales were lost and in a malicious manner. The fact that a surfer has their toolbar installed isn't malicious, it was a concentual install.
WG

yes, unless the defendant is a no show....

SmokeyTheBear 11-09-2006 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 11281227)
You realize you actually have to go through the process of proving sales were lost and in a malicious manner. The fact that a surfer has their toolbar installed isn't malicious, it was a concentual install.
WG

actually thats not entirely true

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The Restatement (Second) of Torts § 217 defines trespass to chattels as ?intentionally? dispossessing another of the chattel, or using or intermeddling with a chattel in the possession of another.? Harm to personal property or diminution of its quality, condition or value as a result of a defendant?s use can also result in liability under § 218(b) of the Restatement. In other words, any action that intentionally interferes with a plaintiff?s possessory interest in his personal property may be subject to a trespass to chattels claim.

The trespass to chattels cause of action, frequently asserted in recent years against Internet advertisers and email spammers, is often included in complaints against spyware companies.

To summarize, the basic elements of a claim of trespass to chattels are: 1) the lack of the plaintiff?s consent to the trespass, 2) interference or intermeddling with possessory interest, and 3) the intentionality of the defendant?s actions. Actual damage is not necessarily a required element of a trespass to chattels claim. See, e.g., Hawkins v. Hawkins, 101 N.C. App. 529, 532, 400 S.E.2d 472, 475 (1999).

SmokeyTheBear 11-09-2006 03:14 PM

this part is especially telling

A vendor can attempt to dispute a trespass claim on the grounds that the user consented to the terms of the contract. Even if consent was given for certain access, a user may still have a valid trespass to chattels complaint if the vendor has exceeded the contractual terms, if the contract is found to misrepresent the actual functioning of the product, or if the consent has been withdrawn. A vendor can be held liable for “any use exceeding the consent” given.” (Restatement (Second) of Torts § 256)

SmokeyTheBear 11-09-2006 03:16 PM

key words there are " if the product is found to misrepresent the contract " , now obviously this still has to be proven ..

crockett 11-09-2006 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 11281227)
You realize you actually have to go through the process of proving sales were lost and in a malicious manner. The fact that a surfer has their toolbar installed isn't malicious, it was a concentual install.
WG

There are already cases on the book against Gator.. I dunno if they ever went to court or if they settled. But gator was being sued for popping competitors ads on other peoples websites.

Pretty much the exact same thing zango does.

btw to the topic starter.. 100x5k = 500k that's not going to break zango's bank..

_Richard_ 11-09-2006 03:18 PM

thats actually not a bad idea.. There's no way they would show up for all of it. I wonder what it costs to take a claim to court?

R

squishypimp 11-09-2006 03:19 PM

good luck :)

marketsmart 11-09-2006 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 11281417)
btw to the topic starter.. 100x5k = 500k that's not going to break zango's bank..

this would be against advertisers... not zango... if zango can pay a 3.2 mill ftc settlement, 500k wont mean much...

but how many sponsors want to go to court 5-6 times a week? even small claims court?

and of course, court decisions (even small claims) can be used i other courts in the same state as precedence if argued....

marketsmart 11-09-2006 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll (Post 11281428)
thats actually not a bad idea.. There's no way they would show up for all of it. I wonder what it costs to take a claim to court?

R

this is what counsel has advised me as the best alternative to either a class action or independent suit....

and it makes a lot of sense...

marketsmart 11-09-2006 03:33 PM

btw, small claims costs are relatively low, however, the defendant does have the ability to counter sue... so, the max liability for either side is 5k..

but the logistics of a company defending 100 small claims cases that fall within a week or two would create havoc with the defendant....

and thats the point, make the burden more than the benefit...

Major (Tom) 11-09-2006 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 11281227)
You realize you actually have to go through the process of proving sales were lost and in a malicious manner. The fact that a surfer has their toolbar installed isn't malicious, it was a concentual install.
WG


I got hit with it and i didnt consent to anything.

duke

Major (Tom) 11-09-2006 03:38 PM

what will happen is in time they will be found liable, and affiliates can be considered ascessories.
Thats my guess... But it wont happen anytime soon.
duke

Major (Tom) 11-09-2006 03:39 PM

what will happen is in time they will be found liable, and affiliates can be considered ascessories.
Thats my guess... But it wont happen anytime soon.
duke

marketsmart 11-09-2006 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 11281545)
what will happen is in time they will be found liable, and affiliates can be considered ascessories.
Thats my guess... But it wont happen anytime soon.
duke

well yes... there is a way to circumvent zango tos. i know cause i used to push them until i realized what they were doing.

zango's defense is it's the affiliates fault....

ajrocks 11-09-2006 04:18 PM

Someone is trying to work against Zango I saw a few posts about zangoblacklist.com but no one seems to care LOL.

ajrocks 11-09-2006 04:18 PM

I do love the anal hobbit though wish he would put his two cents in.

will76 11-09-2006 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 11281227)
You realize you actually have to go through the process of proving sales were lost and in a malicious manner. The fact that a surfer has their toolbar installed isn't malicious, it was a concentual install.
WG

What percentage do you believe were concentual ? Just curious how delusional you are or either extremely biased, or both.


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