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do you think google ditched the sandbox?

I am seeing newer domains kill google while the older ones (that traditionally did) well are not moving...do you think google stopped sandboxing new domains?

I'm not sure but one thing I did notice was that almost all my domains went up a notch in PR :)

That's what has always happened. The new domains get insane rankings for 3 months then drop out of the results all together.. then a month later turn up on page 15...

Not sure... but I did notice throwing their analytics on a newer domain for me got me record indexing time, and decent organics within days.

Have gained some PR but not much in the rankings :(
totally fucking sandboxed on my oldest blogs

sandbox never existed... IMHO an effect often called a sandbox is just a side effect of their ranking method based on historical stats...

it has recently been hypothesized that the sandbox never technically existed, it's just an effect of a combination of some of their filters..

who knows how accurate that is.. i have seen opinions that most "sandboxing" would occur after "overoptimization".

the whole thing pisses me off, and drives me to blackhat rather than creating decent content..

from syndk8.net:

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Google is drowning under a spam problem they created!

Black hat seo `v` White hat seo and why do one or the other?

Well that's an interesting question because of course white hat seo is really nice and you are playing by the rules the search engines imposed and invented but its just so hard after google brought in the sandbox.

Back in 2003 you could launch a site, put some nice content on it and then get some traffic.
In 2003 Google decided to punish the content builders and white hat seo`s by creating something that has commonly being known as the sandbox.

I personally would have never touched black hat seo and was strictly a white hat seo guy but i suddenly found my new clean content sites were getting no traffic.

I joined an seo forum to find out why i was having problems getting traffic and it turned out that google decided to screw the white hat seo that was making the internet clean and full of content by putting a penalty on new domains, content and links.

The option to build content rich sites was no longer there for most people unless you had a real fat wallet or you were prepared to eat bread and water while the sandbox released you.

Would i build white hat content if google hadn't implemented the sandbox?

You bet i would and they would be fresh rich content and very pretty sites.

The option for the seo and webmaster to build nice clean content was stolen away from us and google forced us into the era of the black hat seo / search engine spammer.

When you see a spam sub domain or a site and you see the low down scum bags on forums outing people, please don't just think you want them hung drawn and quartered but more think that there would be none of this happening if google hadn't brought in the sandbox.

So to sum it up

Google created the spam problem they are drowning in and nobody dare admit it.

Google did not create this, they just failed in their fight against spammers and they're failing for quite some time now. I agree with you, their fight against spam does nothing good, their new filters just cause more and more good sites' drop in rankings.

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Originally Posted by munki (Post 11261371)

Not sure... but I did notice throwing their analytics on a newer domain for me got me record indexing time, and decent organics within days.

thanks for the tip, ill have to do that :)

the sandbox is a myth
like a shitload of other things related to google

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Originally Posted by J.P. (Post 11263947)

i tend to think google did create this . I would say more than half of the content on the entire internet is based soley on manipulating google.

i.e. the page was created for google rank , not created then google found it..

Imagine how nice sites would look and how easy they would be to navigate if they didnt have to rely on "seo"

I agree with you Smokey... But I think this is also some sort of a chicken and the egg thing :)