Hacking Demoracy
 

http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/hac...acy/index.html

Anyone watching this on HBO? It's pretty sicking.. I knew BS went on during the election last time as my own vote was thrown out because it was challenged by Republican lawyers.

However I had no idea how wide spread the incompetence was.. Truly a sad thing that even with people having this kind of informantrion, nothing has been done to solve the issues.

btw it's airing now on the east cost on HBO.. but will re-air on HBO W at 12am est.

If you plan on voting you should watch this documentry. I've already voted on the 25th of last month via earily voting on paper ballots. I suggest others do the same if you can. Papers leave a tracking method, the computers don't.

im going to read....:)

I haven't yet seen this show, but there was a great article in rolling stone a few months back about all the shady business that went on in Ohio in 2004 that helped bush win. It's pretty sad.

Also I watched a movie called street fight last night. It's abot the 2002 mayoral race in Newark, NJ. Pretty amazing what some people get away with. In this case the incumbant mayor had the police going to businesses that had his opponents posters up and telling them if they didn't take them down he would put them out of business. He also told the city works crews to go around and take his challengers posters down and they did. the challenger got a court order blocking them from doing it, but they still went ahead and did it.

As a side note.. after watching this documentary.. I found out the paper ballot I voted on was part of the optical scanning method. Which was one type of voting system they hacked in this documentary.

Fucking pathetic..

wow...stunning.

Yeah, I watched it last night. I read somewhere that Diebold's attorneys spent the last week or so trying to get HBO to scrub the documentary from it's line up.

Aside form the obvious outrageous stuff they exposed......Two additional things stuck in my mind. 1) The fact that Al Gore ended up having a negative vote count at one of the voting stations. 2) The sight of seeing 300 hundred people standing in line at an inner city voting station, because they only provided them with two voting machines. :error :error :error

Whatever.Who care.

The fact that stuck in my mind while watching it, was the fact that even with all that information nothing was done and nothing probably ever will be done.

In the rolling stone article they talked about two things that really pissed me off in the 2004 presidential election. In Ohio in the republican heavy areas of the state they had plenty of voting machines and the wait was pretty short. In the democrat heavy areas they had a huge shortage of machines and the wait was often 4-5 hours. Also there were several "glitches" where there were huge turnouts for bush and not kerry. In a few counties bush ended up getting several thousand more votes then there were registered voters. This happened several times and were explained as a "glitch" and were supposedly taken care of.

Also in Ohio the rule had always been if you accidentally show up at the wrong precinct to vote at they get your info, call the correct one and verify you are on the rolls and let you vote. In the republican heavy areas they were told that rule still applied. In the democrat heavy areas the people running the polls were told that if a person was in the wrong place they could help them find the right place, but that they had to then go to that place to vote. So you wait in line 4 hours only to be told you have to go somewhere else to wait in line another 4 hours.

Oh please, give me fuckin' break!!
Get the fuck over it already!

You're kidding yourself if you think this shit don't happens on both sides.
Altough the Dems are famous for getting dead people to vote and god forbid you have to show some form of ID to prove you are who you say you are and you can only vote once.

Downloading it now.

url? heh

"It's not who votes that counts"
 

"It's not who votes that counts"
"It's who counts the votes"

Um...did I say anything bad about needing a form of ID to vote? No. Actually I am for that because then you know each person is who they claim to be and you can only vote once.

I know there are people who vote who are dead.

My point with what I wrote is that in Ohio the person in charge of overseeing the election was also the head of the Re-elect Bush effort in that state. He is on record as saying he would do whatever it took to deliver Ohio to Bush and it looks like he did just that. The exact same thing happened in Florida in 2000.

I know that both sides cheat. Here is an idea. Where I live we vote by mail. They mail you a ballot a couple of weeks before the election, you fill it out and mail it back. If you wait until election day there are a lot of places you can drop it off at. This provides a few things. 1. A paper trail. There is an actual ballot that can be checked if a recount is needed or if there is any question. 2. There is no confusion about districts and polls or waiting in line or going to the wrong place. 3. There are no technical "glitches" where the computer "accidentally" counts wrong. and 4. You can take your time at your house and check the ballot out so you make sure you fill it out correctly.

I've always thought there should be some kind of a commission that oversees all elections and has it so that every state does things the same way. Also, this commission would have nothing to do with either party and would operate independently. This, I think, would help curb the corruption on both sides.

WTF are you doing in the US?
Democracy my ass.

maybe @ some point...