trading traffic is the root of all evil
 

Look at these two situations:

1) FireTGP and IceTGP get 40k daily visitors and 1000 dollars a month. FireTGP trades traffic with IceTGP. FireTGP starts offering an archive of galleries. IceTGP has to offer an archive too in order to not lose bookmarkers. Both FireTGP and IceTGP start earning 800 dollars a month because they are giving away too much free porn.

2) FireTGP and IceTGP get 40k daily visitors and 1000 dollars a month. FireTGP does not trade traffic with IceTGP. FireTGP and IceTGP don't offer an archive of galleries. FireTGP and IceTGP continue earning 1000 dollars a month.

I don't give the surfers shit on my sites. Zero free galleries. Fuck bookmarkers.

This topic is crazy -- how can you be against trading traffic???

The web is about surfing -- you can't keep a surfer all to yourself -- he will get bored or curious to try something different.

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Bookmarkers = Loyal Clickers = Higher Prod = More Traffic which in turn is equal to more sales.

What is TGP?

40K daily and only $1K a month? Yikes.

Where does the 40k come from? Do they just pull it out of their asses?

you get it from YAHOO silly!

Which one are you, Fire or Ice?


shemp

Hmmm Shemp.

Ill be Ice if you wanna be Fire.
Multiple these numbers by 9 and we can do it

What's with all the nutters lately? They've always popped up but we have more than usual. Is it a summer thing? Maybe another strange global warming thing?

firetgp.com is free. I'm gonna buy it and get that 40k of traffic from owning it!!!!

i'll trade 0 uniques for 40k.

hit me up on icq. i want traffic. :Graucho

Get a clue cracker

:1orglaugh

Ohhh! Of course! That makes sense.. I was gonna say, 1k off of 40k normal TGP traffic is a little bit much, but since its SE traffic it makes perfect sense.

Two words.....The Hun

Yeah but a big % of the productivity is spent on keeping the surfer happy with free stuff. I agree it's one of the best models out there so far -- to build a TGP and do CJ trading on it... But in terms of $/hour work investment -- I'd rather say fuck the surfer and send all traffic to trades and then have a beer and take a nap. Reviewing and building galleries and updating descriptions and looking for cheaters gets old real fast.

Doesn't it just

Deliriumtremens are you freebasing? Enquiring minds wanna know! :)

Your two words mean shit -- The Hun is big because he was first to market -- PERIOD. AND he busts his ass reviewing galleries... If TheHun started last year he would probably have 10k of traffic today if he never did any trades. Those guys like Tommy, PK, and Greenguy -- they will always have it easy because they were here first.

the hun charges a load for advertising, and the ratios are HORRIBLE!! you'd be better off spamming aol than advertising on the hun..

Ok I guess you could run a TGP w/ zero trades if you paid to have traffic sent to start it up -- or you had good SE placement... Your site would have to be damn good though for the word of mouth -- and you would need to build your own exclusive galleries to feed it + you would need lots of good submissions w/ recips in place. All in all -- LOTS of time working w/ very small reward. Well I guess that's the nature of this biz just starting out -- don't expect profits at first. Anyway I'm just spouting off random shit -- I'm too tired to be posting on here........ ;)

But you can bet that Hun surfers also surf around and try different TGP's and different sites. If you ask me -- I bet TheHun could be EVEN bigger if he did trades. Surfers like his site -- basic fact -- so if he did trades and pulled in fresh audience -- he would only grow larger. Can anyone argue that he wouldn't grow larger with trades? I can only dream of the SE potential of TheHun and Persian Kitty trading links -- wouldn't that like double their popularity rank?

It sounds like you're talking about a duopolist's dilemma, illustrated in Economics in the "game-tree". Now that I think about it, though, it probably could be applied. If you were to look at traffic as the price you sell your TGP as, which is possible. For instance, Boneprone or The Hun would be able to put a price on his traffic, and anyone who plans to enter the market on that site's level would have to emulate it to an extent (i.e. the archives you mentioned) in order to maintain the numbers to validate him even listing your site. This of course, oversaturates the market with the same old thing and reduces 'loyalty', as theFly put it.

On the other hand, I really don't think there's a such thing as "offering too much free porn"--from what I've researched, that sounds to me like a paysite owner's lazy excuse for not being able to keep up with the trends in the industry. I can see where they would come from, though, because the ones that have been around are prolly spoiled from the oft-mentioned 'late-nineties' of porn. Anyway, to sum up, trading is'nt bad, and you don't have to drastically change your setup just to keep up with competition, it's just kind of like gambling.

If I worked at Kinko's, which is primarily a copy shop, and I sent a customer to Office Max for Office Supplies Kinko's might not carry, I'm in essence "trading traffic" with Office Max. Now, this customer could be drawn into the allure of the copy center inside of Office Max (i think it's called Copy Max), they come to find that there are more office supplies and also the option to get printed there. However, as time goes by they realize that because Office Max is a supply store, and doesn't specialize in copies, the work is shabby, always late, and the people are unknowledgable, so said customer goes back to kinko's(kinda like a loyal bookmarker, huh?)


I'm not exactly sure where i was going to go with this, but it made me think about economics, it seems it is applicable, even if traffic is unlike anything economics deals with. Hope I helped someone somewhere.

I need to sleep.

LOL. That isn't how PR works, but it is a nice thought. I feel all warm and cuddly inside now.

Trading traffic is the easiest way to grow and make quick money. I do it just like everyone else.

Sometimes I wonder why I send my surfers to someone elses site when I have them interested in clicking links on MY site. It sort of makes sense to keep a surfer clicking on your own site rather than ship him off to another site in a trade where you may receive a surfer in return that doesnt want to click any of your links. Its just a big fuckin circle really.

Gotta do whatever works I guess.

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