Racism and Adult Business
 

By reading my posts, it is not hard to tell that I am African American. I came to this board about a year ago looking for friends, thinking it would be a good place to gain info on adult business.

What I have seen during the past year truely disturbs me. Every time I post or reply to a question, I get nothing but lame, bigoted commets aimed toward me.

I noticed that his bigotry is only aimed toward certain members, and is conducted mostly by webmasters who are "established" in the adult industry.

From what I have seen, the adult industry is more racist than any other type of business.

In my opinion, it is due to the fact that adult business is able to hide behind the First Amendment Freedom of Speech, thus allowing for such bigotry and racism.

Im sure there are other non-anglo webmasters who post on this board. Have you guys experienced the same things I have? Am I overreacting? I think not.

I realize that im going to get a bunch of "stop crying" or other lame responces, but what I speak, I have seen first hand.

everybody takes it up the ass on this board. Because your black, because your canadian, because your a woman, because your a man, because your a newbie, because your a jew, because your a transvestite nazi eskimo, because your a moron, because your russian. etc...

Indeed, if you have less than 3855 posts you suck.. simple as that...

uh 3856 now

:thumbsup

I mean, look at Labret, he hates Canadians ( I'm canadian) but when i met him, after he set me on fire and kicked me in the head a few times, we had some beers and all was cool.

How could we tell you are black?

My nephew is named Trenton, and he is a little cracker.

Nobody knows what race you are until you tell them.

Stop crying.

I don't dislike you because you're black, I dislike you because you're a bitch.

It is.

... hey, this is the internet, if you are not a happy black, just tell people that your skin is of green color ... I´d believe you ... but now you had your coming out ... too bad, ey ??

Trenton, I dont think anyone ever knew your race here. And I dont think anyone cares - unless you're Russian ;)

There's just one thing that people care about here - money.

... btw: you sound like a black pussy ... I fucking hate you for that !!


... hewitt won wimbledon ... he is a black too

all i know is that the stereo typical russian is a cheater

... or was that the williams sisters ... ??

Typical responses of denial. Must be that White Guilt setting in.

"...Im not racist, I have an employee who is black...and he is a cool guy"

Very true. What is the point here?

I'm pretty sure that nobody knew you were black until just pointed it out.

I have a small scar on my right forearm. Motherfuckers on this board are prejudice against me for it. Can you believe this shit?

uh, i've never seen directly "bigoted" replies to black people on here.. if anything was sensed about your color it was because you tried too hard to make it apparent.

posting "since i'm black, i find it hard to deal with white people" or some shit is warranting some sort of reply that's negative.

most of the shit on this board is just a bunch of rowdy razzing...nothing more, nothing less...

take [Labret] for instance...reading his posts, one might assume he is a bigot and unpleasant...well, in reality, he speaks 5 languages fluently, reads magazines like People to better understand the hardships of celebrities, can always be counted on to give a few bucks to the anti-arab defamation league and once he even bent down to pet a kitty and give it a saucer of milk....

by reading here, one might assume KimmyKim is some knockout blonde with beauty and brains yet off the boards, she has a penis and her "real life" name is Frank...

I, away from the board, enjoy reading the Bible, watching inspirational videos by Jerry Falwell and contribute generously to Pat Robertson's 700 Club while always eager to lead the local boy scout troupe in a jazzy rendition of "Jesus Loves Me"


so, see, board appearances can be decieving.......

hate everybody equally...gets you far ... if nobody has called you the N word or said bluntly "shutup you blackie" than I don't know how you have experienced racism... Gary's opening response summed it up nicely,everybody gets flamed on message boards for one reason or another but never seriously about race I can gurantee...

btw,please don't rob me

There is a BIG difference between cars and ethnicity.

who said that?

dude now you're just a dumbass... "toodamnfli", can it get any blacker than that? Everybody loves that cat and it's obvious he's black...so shut the bullshit up...go defend michael Jackson

i don't know what color anybody is here unless i've seen their pics. one thing that pisses me off is people screaming "RACISM" all the fucking time. wanna end racism?? stop it your fucking self!!

So sweet, so true. Some of my best friends are black, you little fuck. That's right, I just called you a little fuck. And it sure as hell wasn't because you're black. It's because you're a little whiny bitch that likes to blame his little whiny bitchyness on other people.

Do you see toodamnfli getting ragged on? He's as black as they come, and one cool mother fucker at that.

The only person who cares what color you are is yourself. Do you seriously think we all sit around and think to ourselves "hmm... I bet [Labret] is a Canadian gay jew". Well... you're damn right I do!

You don't earn the privilege to bitch until you have respect. I doubt you'll ever get respect from anyone around here now. Best find another home little one...

people give me shit on this board because my dick is too big.

Im not racist i hire black guys to pick my cotton fields.

did someone call me?

no difference here - the fact is, nobody knew it until i just pointed it out.

typical white guilt response

Trenton, hit me up........see below.....

They must not have DVD playas in the hood

Trenton - why do blacks in America like to call themselves 'African American', instead of black?
We all know your roots are African.

White people have roots from Europe but they don't feel the need to mention it.

One time I refer to this guy as black and he told me to say 'African Canadian' - I told him to call me a 'European Canadian' and he thought I was being racist or making fun of him.
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why the double standard?

Bitch and whine all you want about racism in the adult industry.....

Try being a female entrepreneur in porn. :)

That's the stupidest post I have ever seen. The problem is not that the webmasters on this board hate black people like you think. It is because you are sooooooo fucking sensitive. No one is going around yelling ******, or SKIN HEAD or some racist shit like that. Everyone gets ragged on in here one way or the other... just roll with the punches.

I hate you because you're a lame ass cry baby. Get a reality check er... what should I call you? Sir? Umm... dude? I'm afraid to say the wrong thing.. you might misunderstand and call me a racisit.

You wouldnt know because you are white. Society is ran by the White Anglo Male.

Who built the current fucking status quo??? White Anglo Males did.

Oppression, forced labor, and the degradation of women has made this country what it is.

The Perfect place to start a smut kindom of porn. Why is it that the hardest porn (gang bangs, bukakkes) all involved Asian girls??? You cant tell me that only Asian are willing to do that sort of porn. Content providers and webmasters are scared to involve White Girls in this sort of porn. It might upset the status quo.

does trenton feel stupid yet? he's been quiet for awhile.

here's the scenario:
a white guy hates a black guy(for any reason), the black guy says he is racist
a black guy hates a white guy (because the black guy IS A FUCKING RACIST PIECE OF SHIT),the black guy says the white guy is racist.

conclusion:
to racist black guys, all white guys are racist


there are 2 things keeping racism alive in america, the media and racist black people who refuse to let the past be past

the bottom line is racism exists in almost every facet of American life. Quite frankly, america wasn't made for african americans to be around for this long...we are here and we arent going anywhere. Either people are going to whine and bitch about how things arent fair of they are going to haul ass and make something out of their lives. I for one refuse to sit on my ass waiting for someones handout...I have always been an ambitious guy and will always stay ahead of the game..its survival of the fittest. As long as someone doesnt say shit to my face then we are cool...im all about the DOLLAR BILL..and if at the end of the day your not on my side then we have NO BUISNESS TO DISCUSS...

Fuck you, don't call me white you piece of shit.
I unlike you, didn't feel the need to make the color of my skin an issue!

I believe "Bukakke" originated in Japan. Someone once told me (a japanese guy) that when a woman was found guilty of being a whore that was her punishment.... she was made a spectacle in public by allowing all the townsmen to blow hot cock snot on her face for everyone to see.

correct me if I am wrong

Before you make any more incorrect statements like that, you might want to do a search on "******" and see what you come up with. Then, if you're intellectually honest, you'll admit you're wrong about that statement.

shit that I experience in the Dirty SOuth is racism is still alive and kicking..the "past" cant possibly be 30 years ago...or have u forgotten the civil right movement of the 60's....get your pompous head of of your ass and look around...its so much easier for a white person to comment on shit that obvious they obviously have never experienced...believe me..its nothing peachy about it

ahahah

apostate's comment was half right... The only shit holding the country on this race war are 1) white people that blaim ALL the countries problems on minorities and 2)the minorities who think whitey is out to get them... Nobody can deny what the country was built on but shit isn't what it once was... the South is still rough (I'm from outskirts of Decatur) but it's still nto as bad as it was....

Keep this disccusion about the board...don't start breaking off about the country... Nobody can win that argument



btw,This industry is ran by jews... jews aren't racist,it's all about the money no matter who/where/what it comes from... :winkwink:

TheApostate, it's true that the media and some blacks do contributeto racism but if you really believe that's all, you're very wrong. Read the article on racial profiling below.

LoveAsianChicks, a double standard exists between what whites in America or Canada call themselves and what Blacks in those countries call themselves for obvious reasons. To reaffirm their affiliation with the country that they were taken from, Africa. Perhaps many blacks don't feel American or Canadian because they've always been treated as second class citizens....that's the double standard you should be concerned about. You shoud also read the article below. Personally, I don't give a shit what anybody calls themselves or wants to be called. But since you asked the question, I proposed an answer.

By Tim Wise

It?s just good police work.? So comes the insistence by many?usually
whites?that concentrating law enforcement efforts on blacks and Latinos is a
perfectly legitimate idea. To listen to some folks tell it, the fact that
people of color commit a disproportionate amount of crime (a claim that is
true for some but not all offenses) is enough to warrant heightened
suspicion of such persons. As for the humiliation experienced by those
innocents unfairly singled out, stopped, and searched? Well, they should
understand that such mistreatment is the price they?ll have to pay, as long
as others who look like them are heavily represented in various categories
of criminal mischief.

Of course, the attempt to rationalize racism and discriminatory treatment
has a long pedigree. Segregationists offer up many ?rational? arguments for
separation and even slave-owners found high- minded justifications for their
control over persons of African descent. In the modern day, excuses for
unequal treatment may be more nuanced and couched in calm, dispassionate,
even academic jargon; but they remain fundamentally no more legitimate than
the claims of racists past. From overt white supremacists to respected
social scientists and political commentators, the soft-pedaling of racist
law enforcement is a growing cottage industry: one rooted in deceptive
statistics, slippery logic, and telling indifference to the victims of such
practices.

As demonstrated convincingly in David Harris?s new book Profiles in
Injustice: Why Racial Profiling Cannot Work (New Press, 2002), racial
profiling is neither ethically acceptable nor logical as a law enforcement
tool. But try telling that to the practice?s apologists.

According to racial separatist Jared Taylor of American Renaissance?a
relatively highbrow white supremacist organization?black crime rates are so
disproportionate relative to those of whites that it is perfectly acceptable
for police to profile African Americans in the hopes of uncovering criminal
activity. His group?s report ?The Color of Crime?? which has been touted by
mainstream conservatives like Walter Williams?purports to demonstrate just
how dangerous blacks are, what with murder, robbery, and assault rates that
are considerably higher than the rates for whites. That these higher crime
rates are the result of economic conditions disproportionately faced by
people of color Taylor does not dispute in the report. But he insists that
the reasons for the disparities hardly matter. All that need be known is
that one group is statistically more dangerous than the other and avoiding
those persons or stopping them for searches is not evidence of racism, but
rather the result of rational calculations by citizens and police.

Although in simple numerical terms, whites commit three times more violent
crimes each year than blacks, and whites are five to six times more likely
to be attacked by another white person than by a black person, to Taylor,
this is irrelevant. As he has explained about these white criminals: ?They
may be boobs, but they?re our boobs.?

Likewise, Heather MacDonald of the conservative Manhattan Institute has
written that racial profiling is a ?myth.? Police, according to
MacDonald?whose treatment of the subject was trumpeted in a column by George
Will last year?merely play the odds, knowing ?from experience? that blacks
are likely to be the ones carrying drugs.

Michael Levin, a professor of philosophy at the City College of New York,
argues it is rational for whites to fear young black men since one in four
are either in prison, on probation, or on parole on any given day. According
to Levin, the assumption that one in four black males encountered are
therefore likely to be dangerous is logical and hardly indicates racism.
Levin has also said that blacks should be treated as adults earlier by the
justice system because they mature faster and trials should be shorter for
blacks because they have a ?shorter time horizon.?

Conservative commentator Dinesh D?Souza says that ?rational discrimination
against young black men can be fully eradicated only by getting rid of
destructive conduct by the group that forms the basis for statistically
valid group distinctions. It is difficult to compel people to admire groups
many of whose members do not act admirably.?

Even when the profiling turns deadly, conservatives show little concern.
Writing about Amadou Diallo, recipient of 19 bullets (out of 41 fired) from
the NYPD Street Crimes Unit, columnist Mona Charen explained that he died
for the sins of his black brethren, whose criminal proclivities gave the
officers good reason to suspect that he was up to no good.

Putting aside the obvious racial hostility that forms the core of many if
not all of these statements, racial profiling cannot be justified on the
basis of general crime rate data showing that blacks commit a
disproportionate amount of certain crimes, relative to their numbers in the
population. Before making this point clear, it is worth clarifying what is
meant by racial profiling.

Racial profiling means one of two things. First, the over-application of an
incident-specific criminal description in a way that results in the
stopping, searching, and harassment of people based solely or mostly on skin
color alone. An example would be the decision by police in one upstate New
York college town a few years ago to question every black male in the local
university after an elderly white woman claimed to have been raped by a
black man (turns out he was white).

So while there is nothing wrong with stopping black men who are 6?2", 200
pounds, driving Ford Escorts, if the perp in a particular local crime is
known to be 6?2", 200 pounds, and driving a Ford Escort, but when that
description is used to randomly stop black men, even who aren?t 6?2", aren?t
close to 200 pounds, and who are driving totally different cars, then that
becomes a problem.

The second and more common form of racial profiling is the disproportionate
stopping, searching, frisking, and harassment of people of color in the
hopes of uncovering a crime, even when there is no crime already in evidence
for which a particular description might be available. In other words:
stopping black folks or Latinos and searching for drugs.

This is why general crime rates are irrelevant to the profiling issue.
Police generally don?t randomly stop and search people in the hopes of
turning up last night?s convenience store hold-up man. They tend to have
more specific information to go on in those cases. As such, the fact that
blacks commit a higher share of some crimes (robbery, murder, assault) than
their population numbers is of no consequence to the issue of whether
profiling them is legitimate. The ?crime? for which people of color are
being profiled mostly is drug possession. In that case, people of color are
not a disproportionate number of violators and police do not find such
contraband disproportionately on people of color.

All available evidence indicates that whites are equally or more likely to
use (and thus possess at any given time) illegal narcotics. This is
especially true for young adults and teenagers, in which categories whites
are disproportionate among users.

Although black youth and young adults are more likely than white youth to
have been approached by someone offering to give them or sell them drugs
during the past month, they are less likely to have actually used drugs in
the last 30 days. Among adults, data from California is instructive:
although whites over the age of 30 are only 36 percent of the state?s
population, they comprise 60 percent of all heavy drug users in the state.

Cont'd:

Although blacks and Latinos often control large drug sale networks, roughly
eight in ten drug busts are not for dealing, but for possession. Drug busts
for narcotics trafficking rarely stem from random searches of persons or
vehicles?the kind of practice rightly labeled profiling?but rather, tend to
take place after a carefully devised sting operation and intelligence
gathering, leading to focused law enforcement efforts. As such, the usage
numbers are the more pertinent when discussing the kinds of police stops and
searches covered by the pejorative label of ?profiling.?

A Department of Justice study released in 2001 notes that although blacks
are twice as likely as whites to have their cars stopped and searched,
police are actually twice as likely to find evidence of illegal activity in
cars driven by whites.

In New Jersey, for 2000, although blacks and Latinos were 78 percent of
persons stopped and searched on the southern portion of the Jersey Turnpike,
police were twice as likely to discover evidence of illegal activity in cars
driven by whites, relative to blacks, and whites were five times more likely
to be in possession of drugs, guns, or other illegal items relative to
Latinos.

In North Carolina, black drivers are two-thirds more likely than whites to
be stopped and searched by the State Highway Patrol, but contraband is
discovered in cars driven by whites 27 percent more often.

In New York City, even after controlling for the higher crime rates by
blacks and Latinos and local demographics (after all, people of color will
be the ones stopped and searched most often in communities where they make
up most of the residents), police are still two to three times more likely
to search them than whites. Yet, police hunches about who is in possession
of drugs, guns, other illegal contraband, or who is wanted for commission of
a violent crime turn out to be horribly inaccurate. Despite being stopped
and searched more often, blacks and Latinos are less likely to be arrested
because they are less likely to be found with evidence of criminal
wrongdoing.

So much for MacDonald?s ?rational? police officers, operating from their
personal experiences. Despite police claims that they only stop and search
people of color more often because such folks engage in suspicious behavior
more often, if the ?hit rates? for such persons are no higher than, and even
lower than the rates for whites, this calls into question the validity of
the suspicious action criteria. If blacks seem suspicious more often, but
are actually hiding something less often, then by definition the actions
deemed suspicious should be reexamined, as they are not proving to be
logical at all, let alone the result of good police work. Indeed, they
appear to be proxies for racial stops and searches.

Nor can the disproportionate stopping of black vehicles be justified by
differential driving behavior. Every study done on the subject has been
clear: there are no significant differences between people of color and
whites when it comes to the commission of moving or other violations. Police
acknowledge that virtually every driver violates any number of minor laws
every time they take to the road. But these violations are not enforced
equally and that is the problem.

In one New Jersey study, for example, despite no observed differences in
driving behavior, African Americans were 73 percent of all drivers stopped
on the Jersey Turnpike, despite being less than 14 percent of the drivers on
the road: a rate that is 27 times greater than what would be expected by
random chance. Similar results were found in a study of stops in Maryland.
On a particular stretch of Interstate 95 in Florida, known for being a drug
trafficking route, blacks and Latinos comprise only 5 percent of drivers,
but 70 percent of those stopped by members of the Highway Patrol. These
stops were hardly justified, as only nine drivers, out of 1,100 stopped
during the study, were ever ticketed for any violation, let alone arrested
for possession of illegal contraband.

As for Levin?s claim that whites should properly consider one in four black
males encountered to be a threat to their personal safety, because of their
involvement with the criminal justice system, it should be remembered that
most of these have been arrested for non-violent offenses like drug
possession. Blacks comprise 35 percent of all possession arrests and 75
percent of those sent to prison for a drug offense, despite being only 14
percent of users.

When it comes to truly dangerous violent crime, only a miniscule share of
African Americans will commit such offenses in a given year and less than
half of these will choose a white victim.

With about 1.5 million violent crimes committed by blacks each year (about
90 percent of these by males) and 70 percent of the crimes committed by just
7 percent of the offenders?a commonly accepted figure by criminologists?this
means that less than 2 percent of blacks over age 12 (the cutoff for
collecting crime data) and less than 3.5 percent of black males over 12
could even theoretically be considered dangerous. Less than 1.5 percent of
black males will attack a white person in a given year, hardly lending
credence to Levin?s claim about the rationality of white panic.


The fact remains that the typical offender in violent crime categories is
white. So even if black rates are disproportionate to their population
percentages, any ?profile? that tends to involve a black or Latino face is
likely to be wrong more than half the time. Whites commit roughly 60 percent
of violent crimes, for example. So if 6 in 10 violent criminals are white,
how logical could it be to deploy a profile?either for purposes of law
enforcement or merely personal purposes of avoiding certain people?that is
only going to be correct 40 percent of the time? So too with drugs, where
any profile that involves a person of color will be wrong three out of four
times?

Additionally, the apologists for profiling are typically selective in terms
of the kinds of profiling they support. Although whites are a
disproportionate percentage of all drunk drivers, for example, and although
drunk driving contributes to the deaths of more than 10,000 people each
year, none of the defenders of anti-black or brown profiling suggests that
drunk driving roadblocks be set up in white suburbs where the ?hit rates?
for catching violators would be highest.

Likewise, though white college students are considerably more likely to
binge drink (often underage) and use narcotics than college students of
color, no one suggests that police or campus cops should regularly stage
raids on white fraternity houses or dorm rooms occupied by whites, even
though the raw data would suggest such actions might be statistically
justified.

Whites are also nearly twice as likely to engage in child sexual
molestation, relative to blacks. Yet how would the Heather MacDonalds and
Dinesh D?Souzas of the world react to an announcement that adoption agencies
were going to begin screening out white couples seeking to adopt, or
subjecting them to extra scrutiny, as a result of such factual information?

Similarly, those seeking to now justify intensified profiling of Arabs or
Muslims since September 11 were hardly clamoring for the same treatment of
white males in the wake of Oklahoma City. Even now, in the wake of anthrax
incidents that the FBI says have almost certainly been domestic, possibly
white supremacist in origin, no one is calling for heightened suspicion of
whites as a result.

The absurdity of anti-Arab profiling is particularly obvious in the case of
trying to catch members of al-Qaeda. The group, after all, operates in 64
countries, many of them non-Arab, and from which group members would not
look anything like the image of a terrorist currently locked in the minds of
so many. Likewise, Richard Reid, the would-be shoe bomber recently captured
was able to get on the plane he sought to bring down precisely because he
had a ?proper English name,? likely spoke with a proper English accent, and
thus, didn?t fit the description.

The bottom line is that racial profiling doesn?t happen because data
justifies the practice, but rather because those with power are able to get
away with it, and find it functional to do so as a mechanism of social
control over those who are less powerful. By typifying certain ?others? as
dangerous or undesirable, those seeking to maintain divisions between people
whose economic and social interests are actually quite similar can
successfully maintain those cleavages.

No conspiracy here, mind you: just the system working as intended, keeping
people afraid of one another and committed to the maintenance of the system,
by convincing us that certain folks are a danger to our well-being, which
then must be safeguarded by a growing prison-industrial complex and
draconian legal sanctions; or in the case of terrorist ?profiles,? by the
imposition of unconstitutional detentions, beefed-up military and
intelligence spending, and the creation of a paranoiac wartime footing.

Until and unless the stereotypes that underlie racial profiling are attacked
and exposed as a fraud, the practice will likely continue: not because it
makes good sense, but because racist assumptions about danger?reinforced by
media and politicians looking for votes?lead us to think that it does.

I got kicked out of Catholic school when I was young for defending my mom, the N.Lover. Not to mention countless encountered defending the little brothers, technically Creole, fit in with the brothers and are nowhere near as white as I. Nonetheless blood and brothers, growing up this way killed any chance of me being prejudice or racist.

:thumbsup

Not too smart are you?

If you read some of the points in the article carefully, you'll see clearly that inequities between races in the new millenium still persist.

For you to deny that is does not could only mean that you're an idiot, dillusional, or irresponsible.

I agree that this entire thread was useless because nobody knows your race on this board unless you tell them. In fact, that's what's so great about this business. I could be an alien and be successful in it because nobody knows that I'm an alien.

Still, the larger issue that was raised regarding racism needed to be responded to.

like every business, same with adult business, racists do exist. Don't tell me though you are treated different on this board due to your skin color! If you are so deeply hurted from 1-2 stupid comments then you are not capable for any business. Independent skin color,lang,race,religion you'll deal with people who do not like you and with people who do like you.

I agree...if anything this board is economically racist and trafically(i just made this up) racist..kapech?