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CuriousToyBoy 10-25-2006 06:53 AM

An Insight Into Filipino Justice .....
 
THIS IS REPRODUCED FROM ANOTHER SITE....

I MAKE NO COMMENT AS TO THE STORY BELOW, I DID KNOW THE GUY IN PASSING WHEN I LIVED THERE, AND HE, TO MY ESTIMATION, WAS NOT ANYMORE THAN ANY OTHER SEX-ORIENTED EXPAT I MET IN MY TIME IN THE PHILLIPINES, YOUNG GIRLS SURE, BUT NOT A PEDO.

THE STORY THOUGH, GIVES AN INSIGHT INTO THE CORRUPTION AND POLICE MENTALITY ... A STORY MANY CAN DUPLICATE IN OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES.

AS THEY SAY, HE WITH THE PESOS HAS THE SAY SO ....

I was surprised in mid-September to see a news report on the TV in Ireland about the case against Barry Edwards being dismissed. I was more surprised that many people in Angeles City hadn't heard this news that was rebroadcast half a world away almost every hour, all day long.

RETIRED math teacher Barry Edwards has walked free from court in the Philippines, despite local police claiming they had video evidence of him abusing children. Police said they found Edwards in his bedroom with a 14-year-old girl and claim in his possession was a box of photographs and videos of him abusing underage girls.

Some of the video footage was even aired on television in the Philippines. The trial collapsed after a key witness failed to turn up to the trial, and video evidence was not submitted by the prosecution. Edwards was tracked down by anti-pedophile campaigner Father Shay Cullen, who claimed he had to pay police to assist him. Edwards denies the charges against him and says he has been framed by the police.

As of mid-September 2006, all charges against Barry have been dismissed. Barry has rarely commented on the case publicly, on the advice of his lawyers, since several of the interviews he did grant to various media outlets (BBC, Reuters, GMA-7 TV) were heavily edited and presented a rather biased, sensationalist point-of-view.

The info below was originally post by Big Al on the adult members site Asian Escapades http://www.asianescapades.com/ On 11 October Barry gave a copy of the comments below.

Here, then, are Barry's own comments and replies (in brackets, [ ]) to some of the statements and accusations that, to date, have gone unanswered and uncontested:

__________________________________________________ _______________

(1) On 24 July 2003, Barry Edwards trawled the bars on Fields looking for under-age girls [BE had not been to a bar for three days]

(2) He took three girls back to his hotel [Around 4 pm, three girls knocked on his apartment door, uninvited and unexpected. Two of them, E and R, he knew slightly as well-known street (that is, not from the bar) prostitutes. The third girl, M, he had never seen before. All three have since become notorious for set-ups]

(3) He raped M while E and R waited in another room for their turn to be raped [E and R asked him to give M money for sex. He said no but after a hard-luck story agreed to talk to her. E and R waited outside (below) with the police.]

(4) The police caught him in bed with M, aged 14. [After only about 5 minutes, he answered a knock and stepped outside, fully clothed, onto the walkway, where squatted R. Two men in ordinary clothes jumped on him from behind the door. He threw them off and called out for security. A third man, also in ordinary clothes, put his gun to BE's head and said "Let us in or I'll kill you." A dozen hotel staff finishing duty witnessed this from below.]

(5) A sex video featuring the girl E was showing "in plain view on a TV" [A complete invention and a coincidence worthy of Doctor Zhivago and a belief in fairies.]

(6) Many "sex videos" were found in the apartment [The police, who had not announced themselves as such and forgot in their excitement to arrest BE, had no arrest warrant and no search warrant. Many things were stolen from the apartment, such as TVs, a DVD player, a very pornographic electric fan (which even appears on the official list!) shoes and clothes (some of which were given to the girls!) through to about 200 pounds in cash (which strangely did not appear on the list).]

(7) BE was the center of a gang supplying Europe with "sex videos" [A fantasy from a repressed mind. Tens of thousands of people around the world make films of their love-making with a consensual partner. These are private and nobody else's business.]

(8) Thousands of "pornographic" photos of women were found. [Many normal remembrance photos were stolen. Millions of people around the world take glamour photos of willing models. Normal heterosexual men get pleasure from seeing an attractive female body nude. It is not "dirty" and no big deal. When private it is, again, nobody else's business; when commercial, such things are freely available in supermarkets and other places in the Philippines, where there is, in fact, no legal definition of "pornography".]

(9) BE faced charges of Pedophilia [The three charges were of rape (which then carried the death penalty) with all three girls, on separate occasions. They were dismissed at preliminary hearing. This was because the charges were preposterous, and there was no evidence of rape nor interest (by the girls) in pursuing them.]

(10) BE escaped justice by bribing the police to drop the case. [It was not an option for the police; the case was in court! In fact, soon after the dismissals, they were so frustrated that they raised new charges, using the same incident and personnel, completely at the other end of the scale. These were of "being in the company of a minor...in a public or private place" (amazing that such a bad law--Political Correctness gone mad, since its only logic is the presumption of an intended crime in a person's head--can exist) and "showing pornography to minors". Unlike rape charges, these are bailable.]

(11) He then ran away and hid. [BE lived openly in Puerta Galera for ten months and visited Angeles several times.]

(12) Expeditions to Palawan and Boracay failed to find him. [A simple message to his lawyer that new charges were extant was all that was needed for him to report to the Court.]

(13) A dramatic operation by fearless channel GMA 7, re-arrested him. [Melodramatic, unnecessary, and a waste of public money, but providing scenic footage for TV.]

(14) The last trial ended in a fiasco of provisional dismissal of all three charges on 14 September 2006. [It was the Prosecution case that was a fiasco. From June 2004 to September 2006 there were 42 Hearings over 27 months, all of which BE attended.
At only 3 did any business take place--the central witness, M, twice gave evidence for 5 minutes: it was so confused and contradictory (and obviously coached) that the judge ordered a site inspection of the apartment. It took 8 attempts to do this. Later, M repeatedly failed to turn up and her supposed mother told the court that she did not want to testify. She was at this time operating openly as a pick-up girl around Santos Street and twice stayed at BE's hotel with different men. The judge had the three policemen subpoenaed to give evidence, but three times they too failed to appear.]

Additionally, Barry had this to say:

Eventually, the judge announced that the defendant too had rights, including that of a speedy trial. It was clear that the prosecution had nothing to offer.

These set-ups are regular occurrences in Angeles but they are not intended to appear in the media or become trials. The foreigner victim, once a girl is inveigled into his room, is expected to open the door in a towel then, when told he is trouble, to hand over P50,000 or so and quietly leave the country. This one seems to have been bungled and the victim (BE) stood up to it.
He is still doing so despite a "Trial by Media" which is no less than a perversion of justice and a contempt for the Judicial Process.
How can it be lawful to hand over alleged evidence--illegally obtained-- to TV channels and NGOs who have nothing to do with the proceedings beyond their presumptuous, arrogant, bigoted and self-appointed importance?
This pressure on the Court is a ghastly and ugly mixture of political correctness, malice, sanctimonious prurience and sensationalism, in order to push political agendas and gain a gullible audience. Fair-minded people should oppose it and support due process.

seven 10-25-2006 07:01 AM

someone bought the judge out? happens in the U.S. too sometimes specially when they play golf and shit together ;)

suicidemessiah 10-25-2006 07:04 AM

happens to all country i guess

CuriousToyBoy 10-25-2006 07:05 AM

Perspective into endemic corruption in the PI society .....

THE POLICE: An old joke about four guys meeting in a airport bar

1st guy from Canada said: "Our Mounties are very efficient. If there is a robbery, they are there within 15 minutes."

2nd guy from England said: "Mate, if there is a robbery in England the Bobbies are there in less than 10 minutes."

3rd guy from the USA said: "My neighbor was robbed last year and the police were there in only 5 minutes!"

4th guy was from the Philippines. He said: "If there is a robbery in the Philippines, the police are already there!."

Ask anyone who has lived there or lives there .. interesting place it is.

Love the place, but the system is FUBAR, no question.

2c

Grapesoda 10-25-2006 07:05 AM

this is why I don't go to 3rd world countries :(

d00t 10-25-2006 07:11 AM

Wow....... I am speechless

carol.prime 10-25-2006 07:19 AM

Sad but true :(

NinjaSteve 10-25-2006 08:14 AM

it happens anywhere

BluewireAngie 10-25-2006 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seven (Post 11151164)
someone bought the judge out? happens in the U.S. too sometimes specially when they play golf and shit together ;)



as long as you have money, connections and power I think you can have your own laws... :(

AsianRain 10-25-2006 08:28 AM

You have to be VERY UNLUCKY or VERY STUPID (i.e. reckless high profile) to get yourself into a mess like that in Asia - especially the Philippines.

ryuken 10-25-2006 08:31 AM

Why even be in a third world country like the Philippines?

So many better places to live.

BlueWire 10-25-2006 08:34 AM

There is a public perception that 3rd world nations such as the Philippines are dangerous because there is a lot of poverty amongst the people....My friends and relatives ask me all the time if I feel in any danger when I'm there...


...The truth of the matter is however that in terms of common people...I feel safer in downtown Makati than any other US city I've visited. However, the cops worry that crap out of me :( Even the meter maids down there are fully equipped with artillery :upsidedow


With all that being said...It is my favorite place to visit in the world. The people are the nicest you will ever meet, the weather is fantastic (for most parts of the year), the country-side is gorgeous, and there are lots of fantastic business opportunities :thumbsup ...just watch your back :winkwink:

BlueWire 10-25-2006 08:39 AM

There is a public perception that 3rd world nations such as the Philippines are dangerous because there is a lot of poverty amongst the people....My friends and relatives ask me all the time if I feel in any danger when I'm there...


...The truth of the matter is however that in terms of common people...I feel safer in downtown Makati than any other US city I've visited. However, the cops worry that crap out of me :( Even the meter maids down there are fully equipped with artillery :upsidedow


With all that being said...It is my favorite place to visit in the world. The people are the nicest you will ever meet, the weather is fantastic (for most parts of the year), the country-side is gorgeous, and there are lots of fantastic business opportunities :thumbsup ...just watch your back :winkwink:

BlueWire 10-25-2006 08:40 AM

There is a public perception that 3rd world nations such as the Philippines are dangerous because there is a lot of poverty amongst the people....My friends and relatives ask me all the time if I feel in any danger when I'm there...


...The truth of the matter is however that in terms of common people...I feel safer in downtown Makati than any other US city I've visited. However, the cops worry that crap out of me :( Even the meter maids down there are fully equipped with artillery :upsidedow


With all that being said...It is my favorite place to visit in the world. The people are the nicest you will ever meet, the weather is fantastic (for most parts of the year), the country-side is gorgeous, and there are lots of fantastic business opportunities :thumbsup ...just watch your back :winkwink:

donross 10-25-2006 08:52 AM

hehehe..nice triple post... but true.. :thumbsup

CuriousToyBoy 10-25-2006 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueWire (Post 11151762)
...The truth of the matter is however that in terms of common people...I feel safer in downtown Makati than any other US city I've visited. However, the cops worry that crap out of me :( Even the meter maids down there are fully equipped with artillery :upsidedow

I lived in the "Wild West" out in Angeles City, and EXACTLY the same is true.

The place and people are not the problem - I loved the place, the people I at least sort of understood.

The "authorities" (loosest use of the word possible) ARE the problem.

:2 cents: :helpme :2 cents:

$5 submissions 10-25-2006 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueWire (Post 11151762)
there are lots of fantastic business opportunities :thumbsup ...just watch your back :winkwink:

You can say that again. Three times, actually :winkwink:

Ace_luffy 10-25-2006 05:19 PM

i saw that news many times on our country...
but even that's a crime here the philippines , if you have a moneys... you can escape on the accusasions....

squishypimp 10-25-2006 05:20 PM

that hapeens in the USA every so often too.

BlueWire 10-25-2006 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by $5 submissions (Post 11155212)
You can say that again. Three times, actually :winkwink:


Gene, I'm probably going to be down in your neck of the woods in Jan '07. Hopefully you'll let me buy you a beer:thumbsup ...or 2 or 3 :upsidedow


San Miguel doesn't taste quite the same @ $4.00/beer as it does at 50 cents :1orglaugh

DjSap 10-25-2006 06:16 PM

sure it sucks...but then again its good to know that one can get away with the help of money...

BlueWire 10-25-2006 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DjSap (Post 11155759)
sure it sucks...but then again its good to know that one can get away with the help of money...

Its kind of a catch 22...

If you have money ...sure you can get away with stuff. But at the same time, if authorities smell money then they are going to want to have their piece of the pie. :Oh crap


If you like the mob mentality then its great. You're not a true P-I-M-P til you have police and politicians on pay roll right? :winkwink:

rodney25 10-26-2006 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wanton (Post 11151186)
this is why I don't go to 3rd world countries :(

But that aint th only thing those thridworld countries could show. Opportunities are still there as long as you know where to go and what exact thing to do.

ryuken 10-26-2006 09:22 AM

Good luck with that, for me the cons outweigh the pros.

Cash 10-26-2006 11:26 PM

At least their government doesn't torture foreign prisoners ...

Webmistress - Doreen 10-26-2006 11:32 PM

what else is new... sigh...

Major (Tom) 10-26-2006 11:41 PM

sounds more like costa rica than the flips.

I remember in costa rica i couldnt even get my gag on without the po po showing up. heheheehe

Duke

CuriousToyBoy 10-26-2006 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cash (Post 11164896)
At least their government doesn't torture foreign prisoners ...

Oh yes they do.

Bet on it.

:2 cents: :(

Webby 10-26-2006 11:56 PM

You know if the Barry Edwards in that article is a UK citizen in his early 60's??

Webby 10-26-2006 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 11164984)
sounds more like costa rica than the flips.

I remember in costa rica i couldnt even get my gag on without the po po showing up. heheheehe

Duke

Big deal is pedo shit here - the promise 16 years minimum. Last major pedo case lasted around 5 years with pressure on the US to give up the perp - he's now convicted in Costa Rica and in a jail cell.

Webby 10-27-2006 12:04 AM

Quote:

RETIRED math teacher Barry Edwards
Yea.. sounds like the same Barry Edwards. He's been committing offenses since the 70's (at least) and some folks would like to lay their hands on him in the UK and have a chat.

Major (Tom) 10-27-2006 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11165080)
Big deal is pedo shit here - the promise 16 years minimum. Last major pedo case lasted around 5 years with pressure on the US to give up the perp - he's now convicted in Costa Rica and in a jail cell.

The whores down there lie if their mouth is moving.

unreal. In the phillipeans, even though manilla is the proverbial genital wart of this planet, it's second to none for whoring.

Duke

DWB 10-27-2006 01:04 AM

He was either a) fucking around with the wrong people. b) fucked over the wrong person / whore. c) really was fucking little girls (not hard in AC) and he got away with it.

Shit like that does not "just happen" to you.

I'm betting on fucking little girls. AC is a hot bed for minors.

Webby 10-27-2006 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 11165399)
He was either a) fucking around with the wrong people. b) fucked over the wrong person / whore. c) really was fucking little girls (not hard in AC) and he got away with it.

Shit like that does not "just happen" to you.

I'm betting on fucking little girls. AC is a hot bed for minors.

I'd hate to take that bet DWB :winkwink: Just checked - it is the same Barry Edwards and he has a series of convictions for child abuse/rape. He's also one of these guys who boasts about it and forms organizations blah to legalise pedo activity - he's on another planet.

CuriousToyBoy 10-27-2006 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11165110)
Yea.. sounds like the same Barry Edwards. He's been committing offenses since the 70's (at least) and some folks would like to lay their hands on him in the UK and have a chat.

Interesting spin on things .....

:2 cents:

DWB 10-27-2006 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11165425)
I'd hate to take that bet DWB :winkwink: Just checked - it is the same Barry Edwards and he has a series of convictions for child abuse/rape. He's also one of these guys who boasts about it and forms organizations blah to legalise pedo activity - he's on another planet.


:1orglaugh I knew it!

A man just doesn't get caught up in some shit like that unless he is into some shady shit in the first place.

Outlinezero_yourmofoLOLO 10-27-2006 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueWire (Post 11151756)

...The truth of the matter is however that in terms of common people...I feel safer in downtown Makati than any other US city I've visited. However, the cops worry that crap out of me :( Even the meter maids down there are fully equipped with artillery :upsidedow


With all that being said...It is my favorite place to visit in the world. The people are the nicest you will ever meet, the weather is fantastic (for most parts of the year), the country-side is gorgeous, and there are lots of fantastic business opportunities :thumbsup ...just watch your back :winkwink:


:thumbsup. Got that right, makati is pretty safe, but it is just like any other city or town here. Just depends on where or what part of the town will you go.

travs 10-27-2006 03:02 AM

i think that happens anywhere...

fibble 10-27-2006 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CuriousToyBoy (Post 11155072)
I lived in the "Wild West" out in Angeles City, and EXACTLY the same is true.

The place and people are not the problem - I loved the place, the people I at least sort of understood.

The "authorities" (loosest use of the word possible) ARE the problem.

:2 cents: :helpme :2 cents:

i agree with you...:thumbsup

faxxaff 11-11-2006 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsianRain (Post 11151700)
You have to be VERY UNLUCKY or VERY STUPID (i.e. reckless high profile) to get yourself into a mess like that in Asia - especially the Philippines.

I don't think so. A friend just made a casting for a non-nude pictorial 2 weeks ago for a advertising campaign of a hotel with girls in bikinis at the pool bar having drink and he was arrested right away for asking IDs of legal age to see if models were able to verify they are able to sign a legal agreement. The poor guy spend 2 days in jail for attempting to shoot legal non-nude content .... and they would not let him go without a 'generous fine'. The authorities over there in the Phills are really after any source of money at the moment.

DWB 11-11-2006 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faxxaff (Post 11293044)
I don't think so. A friend just made a casting for a non-nude pictorial 2 weeks ago for a advertising campaign of a hotel with girls in bikinis at the pool bar having drink and he was arrested right away for asking IDs of legal age to see if models were able to verify they are able to sign a legal agreement. The poor guy spend 2 days in jail for attempting to shoot legal non-nude content .... and they would not let him go without a 'generous fine'. The authorities over there in the Phills are really after any source of money at the moment.

Damn! :helpme

faxxaff 11-11-2006 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 11293069)
Damn! :helpme

If you are a foreigner you are always guilty and you never ever get out without paying a fine. Even if someone posts he won a legal battle, I am sure he paid a price ....

marko13 11-11-2006 02:56 PM

it is happening everywhere....

CuriousToyBoy 11-11-2006 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faxxaff (Post 11293044)
I don't think so. A friend just made a casting for a non-nude pictorial 2 weeks ago for a advertising campaign of a hotel with girls in bikinis at the pool bar having drink and he was arrested right away for asking IDs of legal age to see if models were able to verify they are able to sign a legal agreement. The poor guy spend 2 days in jail for attempting to shoot legal non-nude content .... and they would not let him go without a 'generous fine'. The authorities over there in the Phills are really after any source of money at the moment.

150% True !!

:( :disgust :Oh crap

2HousePlague 11-11-2006 06:16 PM

Bad man doing bad things in a bad place -- :2 cents:

2hp


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