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BobG 10-21-2006 07:00 PM

PRIDE FIGHTING -The Real Deal - Who's watching?
 
All knockouts and stopages so far. Pretty sick.

ready lube 10-21-2006 08:20 PM

Pride is great to watch. I catch all the reruns I can find. Is this the night for Mark coleman to fight? I thought I saw something about him making a comeback....

MattK 10-21-2006 08:21 PM

this lady annoucer needs to stop rolling her R's

MattK 10-21-2006 08:22 PM

I got Mark "The Hammer" Coleman to win at +850

MattK 10-21-2006 08:23 PM

Dan Henderson is pound for pound one of the best fighers in MMA, he beat Vitor Belfort pretty easily

Spunky 10-21-2006 08:24 PM

Just tuned in now..awesome

HAPPYPEEKERS 10-21-2006 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MattK (Post 11128429)
this lady annoucer needs to stop rolling her R's

no doubt.. I am more into Ultimate fighting.. I have been about to fall asleep for the past hour.. .. 20-30 min break... the announcers have been laughable and the music sucks.

I will stick with my UFC from now on..

Although for the first time in about 10 years I saw ButterBean again lolol
:1orglaugh

MattK 10-21-2006 08:34 PM

haha yeah the thing about pride is 5 or 6 of these guys tonight would beat the current UFC champs at their respective weight classes

MattK 10-21-2006 08:48 PM

Wanderla Silva is calling out Chuck Lidell..

BobG 10-21-2006 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MattK (Post 11128429)
this lady annoucer needs to stop rolling her R's

Dude, that lady announcer is annoying. They need to re-evaluate their USA marketing pitch.

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Dan Henderson is pound for pound one of the best fighers in MMA, he beat Vitor Belfort pretty easily
Yeah, poor Vitor looks washed up. I think he roided at some point in his career... that'll slow you up.

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no doubt.. I am more into Ultimate fighting.. I have been about to fall asleep for the past hour.. .. 20-30 min break... the announcers have been laughable and the music sucks.

I will stick with my UFC from now on..

Although for the first time in about 10 years I saw ButterBean again lolol
Yep, UFC is custom made for the American audience. Pride is gonna have to work on that. First cann that announcer lady that is impossible to understand, then only announce each fighter once before the fight begins not 3 times and... well all kinds of shit. The fighters are better though.

Phil 10-21-2006 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MattK (Post 11128431)
I got Mark "The Hammer" Coleman to win at +850

you're wasting your money

MattK 10-21-2006 09:11 PM

Fedor just stumbled walking to the ring lol

MattK 10-21-2006 09:22 PM

shit shit

BobG 10-21-2006 09:24 PM

Damn! Fedor fucked Coleman's face the fuck up.

MattK 10-21-2006 09:25 PM

Mark Coleman is losing it in the ring during the after fight interview lol

Phil 10-21-2006 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MattK (Post 11128759)
shit shit

what did I tell you? U got to be crazy to bet against Fedor.

Lance69 10-21-2006 11:18 PM

FEDOR!!!!!!!!
Sylvia ain't shit compared to him!:thumbsup

BobG 10-21-2006 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lance69 (Post 11129146)
FEDOR!!!!!!!!
Sylvia ain't shit compared to him!:thumbsup

Lance Strong will knock them both out :thumbsup :winkwink:

MattK 10-22-2006 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CAMOKAT (Post 11128790)
what did I tell you? U got to be crazy to bet against Fedor.

people said the same thing about Tyson right before he lost to Buster Douglas :winkwink:

Anthony 10-22-2006 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MattK (Post 11128436)
Dan Henderson is pound for pound one of the best fighers in MMA, he beat Vitor Belfort pretty easily

Sorry, I disagree. He looked terrible against a gassed out Vitor.

Anthony 10-22-2006 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Happypeekers (Post 11128458)
no doubt.. I am more into Ultimate fighting.. I have been about to fall asleep for the past hour.. .. 20-30 min break... the announcers have been laughable and the music sucks.

I will stick with my UFC from now on..

Although for the first time in about 10 years I saw ButterBean again lolol
:1orglaugh

PRIDE has raised the bar for the UFC. This is the first time in the USA market, it will only get better.

PRIDE's fighters are better paid, pretty soon UFC will be loosing their big dogs to PRIDE.

Anthony 10-22-2006 08:03 PM

http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/....asp?aID=17706

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Pride�s Real Deal Aptly Named

By Todd Martin, Wrestlingobserver.com
[email protected]

LAS VEGAS - In 2006, the Ultimate Fighting Championship has had a rapid, incredible ascent in which it has become synonymous with mixed martial arts in the United States. At the same time, its primary competitor for the label of top MMA promotion in the world lay mostly dormant to the American public. On Saturday, at the aptly named �Real Deal,� that giant awoke and announced its presence in a major way. The Pride Fighting Championships came to America, and it is a lot closer to challenging UFC�s U.S. market share than most of us could have imagined going in.

Pride Real Deal was the best produced MMA show to ever take place in the United States by a wide margin. The stage, lighting, video packages, music and presentation made the show feel major league to the point its competitors by extension felt minor league. Even the show�s remarkable $20 program was a cut above. Kenny Florian was in the semi-main event of UFC�s last show, while Pride had better fighters in this show�s opener.

Both fans and critics of this show are likely going to miss the significance of this show. Pride fans who expect Pride to compete with UFC in the immediate future don�t understand just how far apart the organizations still are in this country. UFC has an enormous head start, and it has almost all of the fighters that casual fight fans in this country perceive to be stars. Pride is going to need a quality television slot and backing to make stars of its own and challenge UFC. UFC�s recent success for Shamrock-Ortiz may backfire in opening more executives� minds to running MMA. That could inadvertently get Pride a good TV deal on a major cable network. If that does not happen, Pride will not be able to challenge UFC.

On the other hand, some hardcore fight fans have criticized this show for uneven matchups, when that at this point in time is almost irrelevant. It is the presentation and production of Pride that will grab fans� attention, not close matchups for the hardcore fan. At this point, the masses don�t even know most of the fighters in Pride and uneven matchups are a way to introduce fans to new stars in an impressive way. There is no payoff without a build, and Pride would be foolish to get too far ahead of itself this early in the game. The goal of Pride right now is star building, and they showed a tremendous ability to do so in the top matches of this show.

Pride Real Deal was close to a sellout, if not a complete sellout at the Thomas and Mack Center. There were scattered empty seats in the lower bowl of people who did not show up. There was a large contingent of Japanese fans at the show, as well as fans from Russia, Poland, Brazil and elsewhere. The media was also international in scope.

The crowd was also the most educated and respectful crowd in American MMA history. There were boos only twice once the show started: once during an extended clinch in the Nastula-Barnett fight and some scattered boos for Phil Baroni�s entrance. The latter booing was ironically likely more directed at American boorishness. The crowd reacted in a huge way to subtle movements on the ground, and cheered loudly for most every competitor on the show. There was basically nothing in the way of �U.S.A.� chants, and Nobuhiko Takada was greeted respectfully and cheered without so much as scattered catcalls as he delivered an extended speech in broken English.

The show had an authentic Pride feel, with the same Japanese ring announcer, crazy American ring announcer, and ring girls. They announced the rules prior to the fights, and the crowd lustily booed the announcement of no kicking a downed opponent or stomping. They then reacted to the members of the Nevada State Athletic Commission like El Tirantes in Mexico City or Earl Hebner in Montreal. The referees got a better reaction, including a huge pop for Pride head official Yuji Shimada. Following a great video introduction, the fighters were introduced on the stage. Fedor Emelianenko got an amazing reaction and standing ovation from the crowd.

Robbie Lawler defeated Joey Villasenor in the opener. Lawler hit a high kick that did not connect fully, but followed it with a flying knee that did. He continued with hard punches on the ground and the referee quickly stopped the fight 22 seconds in. This was an important fight for the charismatic and exciting Lawler who badly needs to string together a series of wins. He beat a high quality opponent in this one.

Kazuhiro Nakamura defeated Travis Galbraith. Galbraith was brought in to lose, but he made a good showing. In the first round, they traded early. Nakamura caught him with a punch and used some ground and pound. Galbraith went for a heel hook and took top position. Nakamura stood up, but Galbraith took him back down. They again got back to their feet, and Nakamura used a nice judo throw at the end of the round. In the second, Nakamura scored a takedown, but again they got back to their feet. Nakamura hit a knee standing, and followed that with punches until it was stopped. Nakamura got a nice ovation after the match.

Phil Baroni beat Yosuke Nishijima. Baroni got a mixed reaction. He took Nishijima down immediately. He used some ground and pound and gained side control. He then applied the kimura for a stoppage about three minutes in. Nishijima told the press after the fight that he did not tap out, and was devastated by the loss. He had trained hard on the ground and thought he would be able to defend submissions better than he did.

Dan Henderson beat Vitor Belfort in a rather dull decision. Henderson got a strong reaction coming out. He scored a takedown early, and after a scramble for position Belfort ended up on top. Belfort went for a heel hook and they stood back up. They both scored some punches and Henderson got another late takedown. This was a close round and the best of the fight. Round 2 was clearly Henderson�s. Belfort pulled guard, and Henderson used some effective ground and pound and some not so effective ground and pound. In the third round, Henderson got a takedown and there was slow ground and pound. Belfort took the top and scored some punches at the end of the round but it was too late. Henderson won a judges� decision 30-27, 30-27, 30-26.

Anthony 10-22-2006 08:04 PM

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Butterbean beat Sean O Haire. Luckily, this fight did not go long. A lot of people took this as an early intermission. O Haire closed in for a takedown, but Butterbean rocked him with punches from a close distance. O Haire dropped to one knee and Butterbean continued with punches until it was stopped. Butterbean got a big reaction to his promo after the match.

The show then had a long intermission. This was likely a bad idea for a PPV, but it worked fine live. It helped concessions and merchandise. By the end of the show merchandising was almost completely wiped out. Most of the merchandise stands were closed and the little remaining product was moved to one lone concession stand. That only had a few t-shirts, hands and other smaller items. The Pride girls were introduced in the ring, and Nobuhiko Takada came out to speak to the audience. He said Pride is here to stay, and announced a follow-up date in February. He brought out Hayato Sakurai, Hidehiko Yoshida and Kazuyuki Fujita who said hello to the American fans.

Josh Barnett defeated Pawel Nastula. Nastula looked really good in defeat, which is the story of his career. There was a long clinch in the first round, and Nastula eventually got the takedown. Barnett was able to stand, but Nastula got another takedown. Barnett caught Nastula in an ankle lock at the end of the first round. Nastula was saved by the end of the round, but Barnett apparently found a weakness in Nastula s game. In the second round there was another clinch. They exchanged on their feet, where Nastula surprisingly caught Barnett with a hard punch. He then took Barnett down. Nastula went for an arm bar, but Barnett escaped and Nastula caught him with the ankle lock a second time for the tap. Nastula got a nice reaction after the crowd, and Barnett put him over in his post fight comments. Barnett has real potential to get over in the United States.

Wanderlei Silva was introduced, and got a superstar reaction. He called out Chuck Liddell. He said Liddell doesn t want to fight him. This was your typical grandstand pro wrestling challenge. The story of this was the crowd reaction. Just a few months ago in the same city at UFC 61 when this fight was announced it got very little reaction. But on this show, the crowd reacted really big to this.

Mauricio Shogun beat Kevin Randleman. Shogun was also really popular with the crowd. Randleman had his typical intensity. He scored a takedown immediately. Shogun got the heel hook and Randleman didn t defend it properly. Shogun cranked it and probably did major damage to Randleman. However, Randleman just lay there, screaming in pain and refusing to submit. Shogun transitioned into a knee bar and had that at a nasty angle, and finally Randleman submitted. This was an unbelievably gutsy performance by Randleman, who even limped out in the main event to second Mark Coleman.

Fedor Emelianenko beat Mark Coleman. They ran a really good video package prior to the match, that portrayed Coleman as this family man underdog going against the Soviet menace Fedor. It didn t work entirely, as the crowd loved Fedor and preferred him to Coleman. Fedor got another standing ovation. In the first round, Fedor blocked Coleman s takedowns and punished him standing. Fedor went for a guillotine choke but Coleman got out. Coleman finally got a takedown but Fedor stood right back up. Fedor hit some nasty punches, but Coleman kept going for the takedowns. Coleman s face was badly busted up, but they let him continue.

In the second round Coleman went for the takedown again and got it, but Fedor quickly caught him with an arm bar just like in the first fight. After the fight Coleman was in tears and tried to tell his young daughters that he was okay. These poor traumatized girls came in the ring and hugged him. He brought them over to Fedor, but they seemed scared of him in spite of his friendly smile.

Anthony 10-22-2006 08:06 PM

What I don't understand from the Hammerhouse, is why they do not train in BJJ or submissions.

This is the 2nd time Fedor caught Coleman in that EXACT same arm bar. Same position, same setup, tapout.

Kvant 10-22-2006 08:06 PM

Goooo Mirko! :)

Lance69 10-22-2006 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BobG (Post 11129158)
Lance Strong will knock them both out :thumbsup :winkwink:

You know it! :thumbsup

squishypimp 10-22-2006 11:32 PM

i love watching pride fighting :)

Vitasoy 10-22-2006 11:38 PM

I thought the even overall was pretty good. The announcers were kinda cheesy though

Nicky 10-22-2006 11:54 PM

Will have to watch the re run of it. Just watched the pride tourney from last month where Mirko won, cant remember what it was called though :) Good fighting

Vitasoy 10-23-2006 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MattK (Post 11128779)
Mark Coleman is losing it in the ring during the after fight interview lol

Seeing his two girls cry out made me have watery eyes. :(

gecko 10-23-2006 02:55 AM

Not the best Pride event I saw but better then the UFC fight cards.

Manowar 10-23-2006 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MattK (Post 11128431)
I got Mark "The Hammer" Coleman to win at +850

you crazy mofo, he was never gonna win

rodney25 10-23-2006 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MattK (Post 11128538)
Wanderla Silva is calling out Chuck Lidell..

This is going to be a tough one. I hope Chuck will really give him what he deserves.

RyuLion 10-23-2006 09:46 AM

Where are some pics?

RealityWife 10-23-2006 10:16 AM

Pride needs a ton of work to ever out do UFC. First thing would be to offer Joe Rogan a job commentating. He explains what fighters are doing with a shit load of knowledge, he doesnt just tell you what happened after it has happened. Then get rid of the boxing ring and get an octagon.

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Originally Posted by MattK
Wanderla Silva is calling out Chuck Lidell..

I have seen Siliva get rocked a few times and I honestly think Lidell would catch him with an over hand left and knock him out. Silva is VERY prone to a knock out. Remember that if Silva fought here he wouldnt be able to perform half of his best strikes, like foot stomping an opponant on the ground. I would personally like to see Krocop fight in the UFC. He would make a graceful transition. Dana White is a genious and should make it happen. That would be one hell of a pay per view. While your at it groom Fedor for a UFC fight and make a monster amount of $. :2 cents:

Anthony 10-23-2006 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RealityWife (Post 11137046)
Pride needs a ton of work to ever out do UFC. First thing would be to offer Joe Rogan a job commentating. He explains what fighters are doing with a shit load of knowledge, he doesnt just tell you what happened after it has happened. Then get rid of the boxing ring and get an octagon.

So, they need to replace Frank Trigg, a MMA fighter, with Joe Rogan, a purple belt in BJJ under Eddie Bravo, with absolutely no MMA fighting backround.

I'd like to see anyone actually be able to tell me what is going to happen before it actually does. Fuck MMA, they could win Lottery after Lottery.

PRIDE doesn't have a cage because it is not the UFC. No worry about grabbing the fence as you see so often in the UFC. When they grab the ropes, they have refs slapping their hands off of them.


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Originally Posted by MattK
Wanderla Silva is calling out Chuck Lidell..

I have seen Siliva get rocked a few times and I honestly think Lidell would catch him with an over hand left and knock him out. Silva is VERY prone to a knock out. Remember that if Silva fought here he wouldnt be able to perform half of his best strikes, like foot stomping an opponant on the ground. I would personally like to see Krocop fight in the UFC. He would make a graceful transition. Dana White is a genious and should make it happen. That would be one hell of a pay per view. While your at it groom Fedor for a UFC fight and make a monster amount of $. :2 cents:
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Everyone gets rocked, Fedor got rocked by Fujita, but it didn't end the fight. I personally don't think the overhand right is going to be that much of a weapon when Wandy trains for it.

Dana should be worried. PRIDE pays it's fighters better, which means better quality of fighter. It's only a matter of time.

Lance69 10-23-2006 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RealityWife (Post 11137046)
Pride needs a ton of work to ever out do UFC. First thing would be to offer Joe Rogan a job commentating. He explains what fighters are doing with a shit load of knowledge, he doesnt just tell you what happened after it has happened. Then get rid of the boxing ring and get an octagon.

Joe Rogan is a good announcer in my opinion, but he is only exlplaining because too many UFC fans still don't know what the hell is going on. He's educating them on the sport much like Anthony does here. As for the Kickboxing ring, I think it's great, more emphasis is placed on the fighters skill, not who can jam thier opponent into the cage. In Pride if you go to far out of the ring they bring you back to the center and restart in the same position so you can't just roll out.
Both have thier advantages but that's why I like watching both, the fighters have to use different strategies in either case.
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Originally Posted by RealityWife (Post 11137046)
I have seen Siliva get rocked a few times and I honestly think Lidell would catch him with an over hand left and knock him out. Silva is VERY prone to a knock out. Remember that if Silva fought here he wouldnt be able to perform half of his best strikes, like foot stomping an opponant on the ground. I would personally like to see Krocop fight in the UFC. He would make a graceful transition. Dana White is a genious and should make it happen. That would be one hell of a pay per view. While your at it groom Fedor for a UFC fight and make a monster amount of $. :2 cents:

Silva is not the same fighter that he was before,that's for sure. I wouldn't bet against him, though Chuck does have the skill to beat him, it could go either way. As for Crocop and Fedor, well I believe if they showed up that first off Dana would have to be less of a tightwad and pay them what they are worth,
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Notes: Rich Franklin earned just US$21,000 for his failed middleweight title defence Saturday, according to purse information released by the Nevada State Athletic Commission. Franklin missed out on a $21,000 win bonus. Successful Brazilian challenger Anderson Silva collected $50,000 for his night's work.
How long was Rich thier Champion in what many call the deepest division in the UFC? Link To Franklins Pay
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According to Nevada Athletic Commission records, his base purse for tonight's bout is $100,000, though his payday could near $1 million when bonuses and pay-per-view revenues are included.
Hmmm sounds more like a Champions wage if you ask me. Fedors Purse
It's not like they can't afford it, no wonder all the best fighters are going to Pride. And if they did ever fight there, I'm sorry to say that Tim Sylvia the current champion couldn't hang at that level.
As for the announcers, if the UFC gets it's head out of it's ass and want's to start getting these fights together then let Rogan and Trigg commentate together.

RealityWife 10-23-2006 01:05 PM

I agree that Dana is a tight wad. I also dont like how he forces fighters that are hurt to fight, which I believe happens quite often, like Tito vs. Lidell and Franklin vs. Silva, but none of those occurances stop him from being genious. Most rich people are tight wads. That is why they stay rich.

"Joe Rogan is a good announcer in my opinion, but he is only exlplaining because too many UFC fans still don't know what the hell is going on."

My point exactly. Previous fans may know whats going on, but any succesful biz needs its new customers to understand whats happening. Most non fans think these guys are just rolling around on the ground holding each other, failing to understand the skill and technique involved with the ground game. Plus Rogan is a funny fucker and makes some funny faces when he does commentary in front of the camera between fights or when he interviews the fighters after the fight. I swear he's high most of the time and his shirts kill me.

Lance69 10-23-2006 01:17 PM

I'll agree with that, Rogan is a good call for the UFC, entertaining and knowledgable. And he does educate, and tries to set the record straight if the crowd boos something they don't understand. I'd love to meet Rogan in person.

Doctor Dre 10-23-2006 01:40 PM

This pride event was by far the worst that happened in the last year... and it was still 5x better then any UFC event fight wise. The talent pool in every weight class except maybe welterweight is far better in PRIDE.

The Henderson VS Belfort fight was very boring and they played it TWICE. Everybody was just pissed off after the first fight, why play it a 2nd time ?

I was impressed by Travis Galbraith and Kazuhiro's new standup fighting style.

Phil Baroni gave a great show like usual... ;)

Coleman VS Fedor was a joke.

No knees / stumpage / elbows sucks... I'm glad shogun won thought, especialyl when his normal fighting style was affected the most by the new rules.

As a PPV event buyer, I liked the asian version of the show a lot beter.

Anthony 10-23-2006 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RealityWife (Post 11138170)
I agree that Dana is a tight wad. I also dont like how he forces fighters that are hurt to fight, which I believe happens quite often, like Tito vs. Lidell and Franklin vs. Silva, but none of those occurances stop him from being genious. Most rich people are tight wads. That is why they stay rich.

"Joe Rogan is a good announcer in my opinion, but he is only exlplaining because too many UFC fans still don't know what the hell is going on."

My point exactly. Previous fans may know whats going on, but any succesful biz needs its new customers to understand whats happening. Most non fans think these guys are just rolling around on the ground holding each other, failing to understand the skill and technique involved with the ground game. Plus Rogan is a funny fucker and makes some funny faces when he does commentary in front of the camera between fights or when he interviews the fighters after the fight. I swear he's high most of the time and his shirts kill me.

Trigg is pretty good at explaining what 's happening. But you are right, if the consumer doesn't know hat is happening, it is good for someone who does.

Case in point, I went to the AFC 19 before catching PRIDE on the TV. During one of the fights at the AFC, one of the fighters had the other in a triangle, and everyone thought it was over. But what most of them didn't notice was the trapped arm was not in front of him, and was off to the side holding their shorts. Without their arm in front of them while being traingled, the choke is useless, as that arm is used to choke the blood from reaching the brain from that side.

When I told that to my Chirpractor friends, they made the comment, "It's those little things that you wouldn't know unless you trained". Which is true, and while Joe is a great announcer, I don't think technically he is beter than Trigg, or even Mauro for that matter.


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