if you are on the fence about getting a hard drive based camera
 

DONT BE JUST FREAKIN GET ONE

i got a 20 gig jvc for 541$ bux after taxes n shit at best buy

awsome video camera
no hassle
only issue i had is it transfers the files over in MOD file so if i just want to watch it winamp wont play it i gotta load vegas and convert it over to avi or wahtever

but it kicks ass for the basic point and shooter who likes to film family events and concerts n stuff :)