Europeans : do you feel Europe is becoming Islamic ?
 

read this today:

http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/cgi-bi...tem=1149293702

what are your thought on this? do you feel Europe is becoming Islamic

personally I don't have anything againsts Muslims.

Depend which country you look.For example England is full with muslims.

I don't mind people who believe. What I do mind is people trying to force their believes upon others. What I really do mind is when people mix religion with politics.

No not really...

it would be just another good reason to leave europe

I don't really care as long they buy porn

Agreed :)

Don't but could be one day!

I can agree with that. As long as people leave me alone with their religious beliefs, they can do whatever they want. If they want to put their head on the ground five times a day to pray, they can go right ahead. Just don't run into my house with bombs strapped to yourself because some fuckhead told you to do it in the name of Allah.

There is already enough reasons for that.

If you live in Germany, for sure ... that's why i moved to Spain.

War ja nicht mehr auszuhalten in Deutschland. Ich bin so froh, dort weg zu sein :winkwink:

There is a reason that Europe is being called 'Eurabia' by those in the know.

If you don't have anything against Muslims, then either you haven't been paying attention or you're an idiot. Saying you don't have anything against Muslims is like saying you don't have anything against paedophiles, murderers or AIDS. Since the aim of Islam is to bring the entire world under it's control, as an infidel and pornographer you would be one of the first to get his head cut off in the local football stadium.

It pisses me off that 5 years after 911, people still think that Islam is a peaceful, benevolent religion. How stupid do people have to be to not take the time to find out about the reality of this jihad which is being waged against us all.

Islam is not only a religion but also an entire political system. Islam not only tells it's followers how to pray, but also with which hand they must wipe their ass, how to think, what to think and how to express themselves politically. It is the aim of Islam to become not only the single religion left on Earth but also the sole form of governance. Islam is nothing more that a vehicle for 7th Century Arab Imperialism.

Right on...

no way .

Who might they be?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurabia

Europe may not feel completely Islamic yet, give it 50 years and people will be wondering how the fuck they allowed it to happen.

Agreed. But I don't think the sky is falling in Europe anymore than in the US.
Islam is indeed a sick and obsolete ideology, but I'm under the impression that a lot of muslims migrating to western countries learn to adapt to modern society while keeping only the spiritual (and comforting I suppose) part of their belief.

I mean if most of them are converting into at least semi-independent individuals, we're winning the "war".

Then Lazonby shouldn't use the word. The Wiki article uses it as a positive word and Lazonby clearly doesn't.

It's interesting what you say. I have had a few Muslim friends here in Australia, but I see the exact opposite of what you say. The younger generation is so caught up in the tribalistic pull of Islam they almost compete with each other as to who is more Islamic. If one of them goes to a club, or a girl kisses them (where a girl advancing on a man is un-Islamic) they insult each other and the guilty party attempts to deny it. It's kind of bizarre to be honest, but I guess that is the pull of religion and tribalism.

Wikipedia calls it a derogatory term.

Come on, lets give him a chance. Maybe he seriously thought an Arabian Europe was a good idea? I mean those evil white people have controlled the land for way too long!

From Wikipedia

Since 'Eurabia' is a name given to the gradual Islamization of Europe, and since Islam is absolutely the worst possible religious/ political/ supremacist ideology to follow, it is hardly a positive term.

'Bouncing tits' is a positive term and so are 'chocolate flavoured', 'money tree' and 'happy holidays', but 'Eurabia' certainly isn't, because it means the gradual process by which 300 million people will be enslaved, raped and murdered, which is exactly what has happened to the people in lands conquered by Islam.

this is kind of cute:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...abia_cover.jpg

it's about time

Unfortunately, The Economist is prone to being politically correct and hence will downright lie to the reader, in order to appease the Muslims it thinks will burn down it's offices if it tells the truth.

You'd be better off with something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Eurabia-Euro-A.../dp/083864077X.

Jihad is only one part of this, it doesn't mean that Islam as a religion is not peaceful.
by the way, how do you know it's not peacful ? have you tried ? no, you didn't

I'm sure this behaviour is quite common, it's just hard to do any real analysis on the quantity because in nature it's more of a quality study.

To be honest, most muslims I see in the streets are also the "bad seeds", but I suspect that is due to the quiet ones being less visible and the agenda of general media. The imams are shouting and cursing, but are not taken seriously in political affairs.

did anyone of you blind haters ever cross you mind that this might be a good thing for europe and the us ? maybe this kind of population can contribute something? who said europe was not happy under Islamic power ?

You are the worst fake nick ever.

In a blinding flash, Allah just put you onto my ignore list. Fucking idiot.

Maybe because people are hatin' because the thought of a bunch of religious zealots running everything is a frightening thing.

You do realize, those who follow religion are weak minded slaves and are just pawns for a few who control the religious ideals of the followers, don't you? And before you jump, I'm not discriminating against any one religion. If people would just think for themselves and tolerate their brother human (which will never happen) we wouldn't be having this discussion. It's a sad state of affairs that "western culture" doesn't jive with the "Islamic faith" and both sides are to blame.

Fucking people.
Pathetic.

Well actually, Western culture isn't to blame, unless of course you are talking about allowing unchecked immigration of millions of Muslims into our countries.

Islam is the one to blame, since Islam is the one which calls for violence and death against all the infidels.

I'm just trying to throw the blame around indiscriminately, dude.
:)

Blind haters? Comparing my level of tolerance to that of any muslim is just ridiculous. When driven by thought and reason, seeing the shades of gray, only then will you realize the meaning of tolerance. For hatred to exist you must see the world from a black and white perspective, like a lot of muslims do. They hate all things not muslim.

(Most) Europeans (and Americans) cherish their free will and their freedom of speech. I hope that someday, you will learn to appreciate the value of these concepts as well.

Actually, I find it amusing they're willing to blow each other up - i.e. Sunni vs. Shiite, suicide bombers in crowds of other Muslims, etc.

I don't think they (the fanatics) discriminate with their hate. *shrug*

Well yeah they do.

The Sunnis don't consider the Shi'ites true Muslims, and vice versa, which is why they kill each other, as the penalty in Islam for being an infidel or heretic is death.

Nah I don't think Europe is becoming Islamic.. But i think Blackpool is turning into Poland...Everywhere I turn there's a Polish person, they're knocking at my door begging for jobs, they're getting on the council housing lists, they're wandering around the supermarket talking Polish..

I'm starting to feel foreign in my own home.... no offence meant to the Polish btw..!! I've just noted a lot more immigrants lately

i feeel my town is becoming eastern european.

hahaha i didnt see your post rigrunner!! yeh mostly polish here

It's fuckin crazy aint it? Why are they all suddenly here?

I've no problems with immigrants..they do all the shitty work I don't wanna do for cheap but dude I feel like I'm the foreign one!

i'm a muslim too, but some of yours should know that; this is not that what islam says exactly.

you can get it as a part of arab emperialism; maybe some of yours knows that; we turks don't want Arabs & theyer emperialism.

i can accept that under the islam Arab emperialism took many thinks then us.

before then Islam; a specially wile we live in middle Asia & Sibiria; we wher believe in Shamanism; we payed respect sky, still in sibiria some Turks keep going to believe our oldest Rilegen & in the Gagauzia Autonom wich depends on Moldova; there are Cristian Turks too.

now we have most stupid government all over the world, they all Arab lover motherfuckers.

they sould our telecominication company to Arabs, i can't understand that; that desert bastards can't even developed theyer countrys, how they would improved company that they baught it.

however if i know somethink they motherfucking arab lovers would be shit kicked out by our military some days, if they don't stop shitting with camels.

well. let's say; we should separate that what is islam; what is terrorism.

when i read the Quran; i don't see anythink for attack to ppl, but that terrorists can get any reason to kill someone; they don't need even Quran to do it.

some sects are really dangerous & out of Islam with Beliefs, they should be removed first.

Bush's aim nothing against to terrorism, they just planning to build greater middle east project with his allieds btw.

I was down in London the other week on the green district line. was travelling to the center and it was a pretty full cab.

Turns out though we were the only fucking english on there! even the two white guys behind us were polish!

thats just mad!

sure once you get to know them indivually they rock and just like everyone else I know. but its just some of the looks I get sometimes

as though to say

"wtf u staring at, get out of me town, I run the show now richboy"

Amazing how ignorant people are about Islam. Islam does not seperate religion and politics, it is the same.

Take the time to read about the Jihadist.

There are only 3 choices for non-believers according to the koran.
1) convert
2) become second class citizens, pay special taxes, and be treated as property
3) be killed

I am personally going with #1, conversion. This way I can enforce #2 and #3 on all the ignorant non-believing GFYers out there.

i'm off to london for some training soon....ill be sure to learn some polish beforehand! I feel shitty about answering my door each day to tell some poor ass polish guy that needs a job only to tell him my house doesnt need painting and my garden doesnt need doing because another poor ass polish dude beat has beaten him to it..

Had one guy paint a house up the road...watered down the paint and spent weeks charging £10 an hour..haha legend!

here in europe we think:
still better 1000 new moslems than 1 bush-fan

come on :) who is a big ignorant really?

im not reading, i believe in Islam since i born.

it means that i have read & see many thinks about islam for 22 years.

you don't even know what is Jihad, because some idiots changed what was Jihad's mean.

jihad is that a war wich muslims should be contrubuted if a muslim public or country under the war with enemy of muslims.

however; we can't talk about Jihad today that much; because time changed, age changed, everythink changed.

so that attacks are against sibilians & put any name what you want; reality can not change, terrorism = fucking terrorism.

do you thing as a muslim man; i'm getting big enjoy cause of damn fucking wars? na; if i have a chans to do it i will kick shit in all terrorists & theyer supporters to hell without thinking even 1 second.

if you wana discuss somethink about muslims, islam or any subject; see sig, i'm waiting you at any time, kindly to talk, don't worry i never insult/attack you.

because pan is a sharper than sword.

Is it neocolonialism being used against us?

The rest of us hope that the people who think like that get blown up by the terrorists because they're just too stupid to be alive.

Rotterdam is getting ghetto!
minarets are raising like mushrooms tho nowdays..