About Israel and Jews:
 

The Jews that are members of this board seem to demand political correctness, with political correctness being defined as; do not critisize Israel, or Jews in any way.

If one dares to say anything of a critical nature about the history of Jews, about the history of Israel, about their religion, their leaders, or their tactics, one will come under verbal attack. Generally speaking, they do not seem to understand free debate and take everything that is said personally.

Generally speaking, they seem to have a much inflated view of the importance of Israel in the scheme of the World, and specifically a much inflated view of Israel's importance to the USA.

Israel is an insignificant country, in land mass, and in population. It has a relatively large military for the size of its population but its military is incapable of projecting itself Globally

It is a welfare state and will probably cease to exist if the USA stops its economic and military support. The only real importance that Israel has to the United States, is to our policticians, and this is because of the number of Christians and Jews in this country that think Israel is a holy land and are voters.

Now I realize that I will recieve the wrath of the many of you for saying that tiny Israel and its five-six million people are insignificent, and lectures about how important Israel is to the existence of the USA, and how giving Israel 2.8 billion plus, in aid is acually for our economic benefit.

I have been and I am a supporter of Israel, but Israel, its leaders, its people, its tactics, are all open for critisism, the same as is the USA.

Pathfinder, thanks for a well explained post. But I disagree with your premise. Since I find the premise faulty, I won't even judge the correctness of the conclusion.

Your premise focuses on "THEY" -- you use "THEY" to describe all the Jewish readers of this board. Jews, like all other religious/cultural groups, are very diverse in opinions. There are many Jews who support Israel...true. But there are also many Jews that OPPOSE Israel--either outright [many Orthodox sects think the creation of an Israeli state postpones or delays the coming of the Messiah] or in tactics see the Peace Now movement in Israel. The use of the word "THEY" implies that all Jews are the same--they are not. They are individuals and they also vary by the country and class and cultures they originate from. Sephardic [Jews from Middle East deriving from Spanish Jewry] culture differs from Ashkenazic [European Jews] culture. Jews also differ in terms of assimilation and national origin.

My point is that there is NO one unitary Jewish cabal that one can point to and blame. Perhaps your arguments would find more cogency if you elected to use the term "Sharon's government" or "Zionist militarist element." Then at least we would know who exactly it is you are referring to.

Jewish individuals have greatly influenced and contributed to Western society. There are over 100 Jewish Nobel Laureates. Many of the greatest actors and directors were Jewish. Many of the greatest figures in the arts are Jewish. Many of the leading thinkers of our times from Derrida to Stephen Jay Gould are Jewish. Even the way we dress is a result of Jewish indivduals' creativity--Ralph Lauren, Calvin Klein, and Donna Karan. All Jewish. Indeed, three of the greatest influences on the 20th century were Jews or recently descended from Jews--Marx, Freud, and Jesus. It is a shame to embarass and assault these individuals' heritage by the blanket use of the word "THEY."

The real question here is that given the IMMENSE contributions of Jews to Western thought, arts, culture, finance, and technology, why is there no Jewish History Month?

The Jews that are members of this board seem to demand political correctness, with political correctness being defined as; do not critisize Israel, or Jews in any way.

dude.....if you call ridiculing a racist fuckwit that calls people "******s" and so forth then rants about Jews, politically correctness; that's one weird definition of correctness. I call it better then watching cable when I'm uploading files.

- kahane -

I am fully cognizant of the fact that Jews are not monolithic in their thinking and actions. I thought that by using, "genrerally speaking" would clarify my use of the word "they". In your case it did not. I should have been more specific.

I am also aware of the greatness of some of the Jewish people, but Jewish people do not control the market, when it comes to greatness.

i like isreals quest for peace.. its very matiure... but i dont like arafat.. i think hes scum

I don't really care either way. I just wish the American media would stop talking about this war. Really though, either way what difference does it make. It's a tiny part of the world that doesn't mean a whole lot to the survival of this planet. Two near 3rd world countries. Who cares.

I am not referring to the fuckwit that you are referring to. His posts are generally designed to inflame, at yours and others expense, but some of what he says is harsh, but correct (at least in my humble opinion).

I won't get into argument with some 1 who can be my grandfather...i guess when you get old you start to think in a diffrent way...who died and made you the all knowing? israel is that...the jew are those...bla bla bla...i have no intention to argue with you...you can think anyway you want...i tought that after you said that you are leaving the scence we'll have some peace here...i guess you have nothing better to do...
i'm trying not to make it personal...but i can't help it if it comes like that...

first: the palestinains doesn't have a country...
second: Israel is far from being a 3rd world country...

What you people seem to fail to realize is that the Jewish community is an important economic factor, that in many countries can affect it's economy.

Jews are one of the few communities that stick together and help each other's biz to grow (much like what we do, but in real life biz).

Thanks to this, the jewish community occupies strong positions in politics almost anywhere in the world, and most of them send money back to israel.

It's not really a matter of voters over the christians there, it's a matter of unions in the USA being controlled by jews, and of extremely rich people funding political campaigns and so on.


disclaimer: I'm not jew, I don't either hate them or am pro Jew, I just state what should be common knowledge but apparently isn't.

How immature of you.

Someone who has been longer on this earth than you may have gained more wisdom. Think about that for a change.

You will not be RESPECTED as long as you do not respect other people's opinion.

Well, 3rd world or not it doesn't matter I guess. Israel should just give up some of their land or whatever the fighting is over. Then they can concentrate on being an independant country. Not one that people care about only because they are a part of the Jew Club.

Thanks for giving me a break.

When you get old you will find out for yourself.

Thanks for allowing me the privilege.

I assume that your peace is easily disturbed.

You guess wrong. I work at night, approximately twelve hours, dividing my time between the only web site that I have left (mainstream), and programming. I usually finish up around 6-7 AM in the morning, read the board and post for amusement. Sometimes if I am uploading, or just taking a break, I will read the board and post during the night.

Have a good day.

someone who feels the need to explain to the "group" why racist rantings are ok is generally a racist. :)

You don't hear any good arguments against Israel, just a bunch of horseshit.

you too

Havent you noticed that hollywood and media in general is controlled by jews?


The population of jews in the world is very small less than 3 million in the united states last I saw.

My only beef with backing isreal is by backing them we are FUCKING ourself and our relations with the majority of countries in that region. ! 1 more thing is what are we geting from this whole situation? Oil? don't have much if any

I must admit my political views have changes lately regarding international policy...

We should not be over there or anywhere for that matter....

The French (France hate us) and other countries as well so why support them?

If they don't like us, let them go trade elsewhere...
And let people fight there own wars.. I understand the catch 22 in the whole situation but after visiting the beaches of normandy and seeing the cemetary.. I dont think we should have sent soo many american men to there deathes for countries that despise us... Only thing i have against the france french is how they treat you and despise america... if it wasnt for our men loosing there lives they would be all speaking german...

This coming from one of the boards leading anti Muslim / anti Arab / anti Palestinian racists on the board. Classic.

You know, in all of this I dont think I recall you putting in your two cents regarding why Israel should be allowed to exist in peace.

First I would like to hear you justify their creation in the first place.

Cmon, take your hands off the shave o matic 6000 for two minutes and puch out a bestiality laden diatribe against me outlining your points justifying the existance of Israel and continued US support.

Cmon, you can do it.

What? How dare you insinuante that you fucking nazi pig.

I've always wondered why it is we have headlines about 6 people who died in Israel, and on some other page "oh yeah, and about 100 palestinian people were blown away that same day". Is it just my perception, or is this the kind of coverage its getting? Hundreds can die in some african country during a massacre, and the next day all we hear is some Israeli solder bought it last night. Doesn't seem very balanced.

Jews don't "control" the media, most of these media companies are public companies. Controlled by their shareholders. Labelling, for example, Disney, as "controlled by Jews" is like labelling Adelphia as "controlled by Christian fundamentalists". The only thing that controlled, controls, and will control public companies is the profit motive.

Even if it is conceded that there are disproportionate Jews in a particular industry is that really that unusual that certain trades have a concentration of people from certain ethnic/religious backgrounds? Nobody is complaining that the NBA's players are mostly black. Nobody is complaining that most of the banking institutions in this country were formed by Scotsmen or Scots Irish.

Why zero in on Jews? Why not focus on industries that Jews don't "control"?

those numbers are way off. and the discussion here is about the middle east, not africa (not that the situation in africa doesn't deserve a discussion, but let's deal with this first).

Point taken :)

[Labret]

Good job on pointing out 12clicks' "horseshit".

You are generalizing and overreacting.

The French people do not hate the US, most of them do not agree with US international policy. That is a big difference.

Remember that the US sent troops in WW2 because of their own interest too, alot of people think they sent troops because they felt sorry for the poor Europeans. That is just too funny.

And don't FORGET the contribution of the Canadian, Australian, British, internal resistance and many more countries and groups to the freeing of Europe.

as far as the jews in the media comment i was juts making a point becuase if you look up someone commented about it lol

Dude ease up.... I could care less what they do it was just a fact

It's a shame there are now so many different threads on the middle east problem..

There have been many very good posts whether pro Israel or Palestine and the odd idiot who posts "Bomb the Fuckers" but what really interests me is where do all of us live.

I'm in the UK and my grandparents came over from Russia and Poland around 1901 to escape the pograms there. Where on this planet are you others ?

As for comments on the French.. They hate everyone not just the Americans.. They're definitely not to keen on the British either..

Now about prominent and important Jews in history.. Whether Marx or Freud.. They stand out as there are far fewer Jews than non Jews on this planet.. There are many more important/well known political activists etc. due to numbers. Is Fidel Castro Jewish ? Simon Bolivar ? The great explorers of the world who discovered the hiden Africa as an example.. None of them were Jewish and are just as important to our life today. There isn't as far as I know one famous Jewish explorer unless you want to call Moses one as he spent 40 years looking for Israel, the land G-d promised the Jews.. Though the first sailor and Zoologist in the world was Jewish.. Noah..LOL.

Finally the number of Jews in America must be more than 3 million as there are more in New York than the whole state of Israel..

You racist piece of shit! Hollywood is controlled by Zionists, not Jews.

Der...people like you make me sick!

I came here to talk about porn. If I wanted to hear rants about politics I'd go elsewhere. Although I would still love to see a quote on Fox News read "According to a post on GoFuckYourself.com, Keev believes that US global policy should "let people fight there own wars."

isn't this dipshit easily impressed? :1orglaugh

You are a fool and I do not tolerate fools easily. Your lack of intellect bores me, so I will not respond to anymore of your posts.

I will let [Labret] and your other superiors play with you.

gramps, your act is old. you might as well just cut and paste the "you're too dumb for me" line.

how's your son in law? shacked back up with your daughter?
how's the insurance scam the 2 of you are trying to pull?
ahahahahaha

yeah, you're the smart one all right! :1orglaugh

Just an idea; don't read the polictical posts.

I try not to but sometimes they're just so funny.

mm...jews dont control the media....

wow i hate discussions like this...

Hey I live in Hollywood and some of my good friends are jewish, and I must say there are a lot of high-profile people in this city are jewish.

I have yet to figure out what is up with Hollywood and Jews. Its a big melting pot here, but its still strange that the stereotype about Jews and Hollywood is kinda true.

Most you you people use ICQ. How many of you know who invented it..

Two Jew Boys in Israel. :thumbsup
Now I think that rates RAT up there with Marco Polo.:1orglaugh

I think they should give 1/2 of the 500 million they got for it
to the Israel Govt. so they can buy more bombs.. Then they can
"BOMB THE FUCKERS"

Hmm, while i don't have a strong stance either way, i'm not very impressed with palestine. Why? one simple fact: they target civilians, and deliberately kill children. Is the US any better? No in my opinion. Is Israel? Nope. In fact, i can honestly say i strongly dislike
every major and minor power currently
in the world, with the possible exception
of canada, but they've got their own problems to deal with.

His Bushness is sending very mixed signals to the middle east, just like he's sent mixed
signals on just about everything he's done. One little pointer for him would be:"Go visit some Toast Masters gatherings, or at the very least, look over your speeches before you give them." The man looks and sounds like
a deer in the headlights every time he gives a speech. Would Gore be any better? Probably not, but who can tell?
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I know most of you who live in the US think this is the greatest country in the world, and economically, i suppose you're right. However our international policy leaves a lot to be desired, our public stance on various things such as drugs, abortion, etc tends to be from a very religious right viewpoint. I'm all for laws and structure, don't get my wrong, the last thing we need is pure anarchy. But come on people. Some of you may recall early in 2001 when Bush wanted to do all kinds of things with the Church, and was being beaten up about it. Why? Anyone remember that huge failure called the seperation of church and state? yeah....

I keep looking at sep 11th, and wondering why? Now, again there is the question of who was actually involved. Was is the Arabs? Was it Israel? Will the common people ever really know? Really?

I'm not racist, i got that beaten out of me by
the time i was in middle school. I think, generally speaking, that I don't like Americans. No, thats not fair. I don't like American politicians. I like them even less when they say things like Bush keeps saying. I also tend to dislike the American media, if only because they DO focus on US allies, and all the suffering that said allies go threw. Agree with the prior post regarding that, tons of focus on x # of soldiers killed
in israel, but no attention to the 10x # of soldiers or whatever killed in other countries.

I personally strongly believe that killing is wrong. Does that make me a pussy? I don't really care. The Church, in one form or another, has killed more people than every major 'war' in the last 2000 years. All over whether or not one person's God is better than another. Humanity has issues. I give it another 10-20 years before the only thing left is roaches, and not the smokeable kind either.


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ps Go fuck yourself...

My grandparents are French immigrants. Although they still speak with accents and all that, they realize that had they not come to this country in 1959, they'd be dead like all their friends back in the village in Marseilles.

Even so, they love this country (USA), and never went back. They are both American citizens now.

French people are pretty weird though, thats for sure.

So your claiming the US and Israel target innocent civilians?

1959? why would they be dead?

Foe,

Yes. Do I have documented proof? Yep, called vietnam....

I dont need proof just wanted to know why :)

Foe, no worries. I don't intend to get into any kind of flame war over my personal beliefs...:)

My Grandparents migrated from Marseilles to Miami in 1959, at age 23....with two kids less than 4 years old, and in debt more than 2 grand for the move. Neither spoke a word of english.

By the time they reached age 50, most of their friends back in the village were dead.

Why? Because life in other countries just ain't the same

My distant cousins still live in same rathole, in the same village, still use the same cabinets my Grandfather built pre-1959. They still shit in the same yard where the Nazi's terrorized my ancestors.

My Grandparents don't regret becoming Americans.

In the case of the USA, does Dresden, Nagasaki, Hiroshimo, ring a bell. In Korea and Vietnam we targeted civilians, as well, but not on the scale that we did during the Second World War.

War is a dirty affair. Civilians are as much an enemy as are Soldiers. It is civilians that provide the manpower, and the production required to fight and sustain a war.

Good point. Although I do find it sad that even people with even a basic high school education could not have figured it out for themselves.

I am never suprised to see how many people buy into the idea that the United States is some sort of moral beacon, a shining light in the world above and beyond any reproach. Esp after Sept 11th. This country is running amok in its new found patriotism. It is putrid. Americans, for the most part, are ignorant. They will believe whatever the idiot box tells them. Everyone is a patriot now, everyone is a hero. Yet give them a basic test on American history, and they will fail. People are so proud these days, yet they have no idea what they are even proud of. Morons.

This country doesnt know its ass from a hole in the ground. One minute special interest groups are shredding apart and rewriting history books to include a more lefty friendly curriculum, turning what were once heroes into genocidal maniacs. Columbus is now akin to Hitler. Thomas Jefferson, slave owning wife beater. All white men prior to 1970 are propped up as misogynist and racist... yet now post Sept 11 we are supposed to be a proud wonderous nation of people dedicated to making the world a better place. Which is it? Make up your fucking minds.

The average ignorant American does not deserve to live. They merely exist and thrive on the work of others. Very few people work to make this country a great place, the rest of you were just fortunate to have your ignorant asses born here... and you live your life oblivious to the world around you or your place in it. Most of you are a waste of fucking space.

So stuff another cheeseburger in your mouth, salute the flag, and get all teary eyed at the Star Spangled Banner... you are an American damnit. Oblivious to your ignorance you will stumble through life following the whims of the puppetmasters that control you.

I never really payed much attention to the old saying "Ignorance is bliss" when I was younger, but its true. More true than I ever could have imagined. And Americans are the prime example.

Labret, you missed one: it had better be a fill in the blank test, as you can guess pretty
easily on a multiple choice test...


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nevermind, found it.

You know, now that you mention it, Canada is pretty laid back. Maybe I should move there :)

I have been thinking about this myself lately.

Sometimes, I question my own integrity, and then I look around....

But I'd rather be smart, than wrong.