(Yeh sure) I'll pay for a partner acct
 

Why yes,
I would love to pay anywhere from 20 to 350 a month for a partner account and you cant guarantee me a listing. (why don't you just ask for handouts). Drug dealers often want you to front them money and MAYBE just Maybe you will get your product.

I do understand that the honest sites will often list your galleries even if you are not guaranteed a listing. But to someone like me who has some money to invest but not alot that puts up a big red flag. This just does not seem like a good marketing strategy to me.

It seems to me that the people that can invest hundreds a month on one partner acct don't really need the acct to begin with (Bad Targeting).

If I am a relatively new submitter it's going to take a few weeks or months for some even years to start making good revenue. I have yet to see any site that is going to get 100 joins off of one submitted gallery in a week or two. Maybe I am looking in the wrong place?

I would think as a Tgp owner you would want new customers and fresh money. Is this type of marketing really the way to do it?
Greed burns itself out after a while. Is one 350 dollar customer better than 20, 50 dollar customers consitantly over a longer period of time.

First of all the blue colour of the text on your site burns my eyes. Your page forces scrolling even on a 1024x768 monitor.

Back to your question. TGP submit accounts work this way today. if I would be a TGP owner and could make money of of it this way, I´d do it.

What's the point of this thread?

Thanks thats good to know,
as far as the scrolling goes im sorry that clicking is that painfull.

This is called a biz thread some people actually talk about biz-ness instead of drama.

I think he is complaining about the fees tgp owners cash for submit accounts?

I think he is complaining about the costs of tgp partner accounts. Feeling that those that charge 350.00 should charge 50.00 and those at 20.00 should charge like 5.00

Reasoning is that the tgps should rather have a bunch of new people and new money instead of matured buyers paying higher sums. Cause we all know new people really helped the tgp cause and rules in the past right?

Also has an argument about no promised listings and that it is akin to drug dealers asking for you to front them money and then they give you drugs. Though I typically remember this as dealers being asked for drugs with a promise of the client to pay and for the dealer to front them.

Oh and something about making money via tgps and it taking months if not years. When maybe other traffic venues should be considered. Doh! I forgot there are only two things, pay sites and tgps.

Yes and this thread won't change a thing. Play by the rules or go home crying.

look........ go with the flow or quit

What kind of ROI you want man ? Do you even know what margins mainstream compagnies have to do ?

In the advertising game it's all about trial and error. Mainstream or porn. Some will work for you, some won't.

And if you don't have the money, it's YOUR problem not theirs.

With this attitude of the "guaranteed" money, you should get a 9 to 5 job. Business isn't about winning everytime. You win some and you lose some.

Begone with your evil logic, it is not wanted here.

Most people who keep quite remain quite, It's the poeple who impliment ideas that make changes and millions. Bill Gates always follows the rules :Oh crap

Did I do something to you if so put it on the table.

I second this.

I must agree with your concept but this is how it is

Purchasing a partner account for the sole privelage of submitting is retarded. If I spend money, it's on guaranteed listings like paid ad spots or clicked traffic.

- PornAddict

I wasn't complaining about winning all the time Dre. Iwas interested in finding out what others thought about that strategy. There was no need for malicious responses from some. Why the f*$% is everyone so pissed off all the time. At one point or another everyone was a newbie. If you dont state you opinion or ask questions you won't ever learn anything.

I have no clue who you even are. I would however hope you know who you did what to and that the list is not so long that you need to ask such questions.

I am all for a good business thread. This one just has been hashed out over and over again, typically by people who do not know how it got to where it is now in the first place.

Long ago there was just maybe five or six rules on most tgp submit pages and you could get listed anywhere for free. You also could have several ads on your gallery and not only that but you could place your full sized pictures on html pages with additional text links or banners on those.
Then people abused it, and away went images on htmls. Shortly there after less ads and more and more rules. People kept finding ways to fuck over the tgp. Eventually they would only listed trusted submitters who also submitted quality galleries everytime.
Surfers began to trust those tgps more because they were not getting fucked over, this lead to higher traffic numbers and more profit for the submitters. TGP's wanted some more cash as well and they started selling partner accounts. The better the tgp's traffic the higher the price typically. That whole what the market will bear thing.
Now some places sell partner accounts, some still give them away. Others may just sell listings on a per listing or per week or whatnot basis.

Thats my cliff notes version.

Thanks man,
I understand..That was more of the kind of response i was interested in. I can relate to that, cheaters are making it very very hard for everyone. They have really put everyone on edge. This thread is a perfect example....

That's bullshit! Why should any tgp owner reduce his income just to support new people.
If you're new and can't afford partner accounts or lack knowledge / experience to generate a good ROI on them then don't submit galleries or stick to the smaller tgps who don't charge money.

if you can't afford it, don't buy it...

Well some partner accounts are worth the money even if they only list 30% of your galleries you can make a higher ROI than on paid listings.

Once agian someone misses the whole point. You create one level of a partner acct for program owners and another for other submitters. I was not saying that you sacrifice all your income from partner accts by lowering rates. Maybe I need to be more clear sorry. THERE IS ALWAYS A WAY..

Words of wisdom. :)

I can see your point. The only major difference is that when I pay for ad spots, I know 100% that I am going to get traffic. It may convert, it may not... that's the game BUT the traffic is going to come.

I've also spent money on paid partner accounts and they had no problem taking my money, but would not list one gallery. And before you jump to any conclusions, my galleries are about as clean as you can get AND the content I was using was fresh since it was for my own sites that are hardly promoted elsewhere. Bottom line is, they just didn't list the galleries for whatever reason.

I then contacted the owners asking what I can do to maybe have better chance of listing and I got the usual BS but still no listing.

So, after that experience I've done two things.

1) Built up my own network of tgp's and listed my own and hosted galleries (because generating traffic is easier than getting listed)

2) Only pay for sure things like ad spots or paid listings, etc...

Now I'm not saying that paid partner accounts don't work... they must because it's still an industry standard. If it didn't work for everyone, then the model would go away. But, it didn't work for me and I had to change things up.

- PornAddict

this guys makes perfect sense. you idiots are just too fucking stupid to realize it. these asshole tgp owners run around and charge 30$+ for partner accounts and they no damn right well that they will never list all of the fucking gallerys. people like GTS and nichespots etc promise you the fucking world and deliver shit. this guy is dead balls on. tgp is a freebie game and the only time you ever win is with volume. the idiots selling you spots #25 - 92 know damn right well they are screwing you. you may get lucky you may not. tgp is dead and full of 14+ year old white american males that if they are lucky will get a hold of mom and dads CC.

Anyone that supports GTS or NS unless you are buying a guaranteed listing is an idiot. fair and simple. they know it. go on with your retort. you need to know how to convert blah. fuck you. these tgps are using this as a MASSIVE source of additional income and if you cant see if suck my cock.

yota71 is right and you guys are just fucking ass kissing fags and wont admit it. brown nose cock swallowers.

That you paid does not guarantee your galleries will be up to standard, although if they are, you should be listed. It is a scam when T/MGP's accept money for more submissions than they can accomodate.

Otherwise you are way off beam. The introduction of charges wasn't intended to increase submissions, but to get them down to manageable numbers and discourage all the cheats and timewasters. Of course it will backfire in the end: T/MGP traffic quality is reducing in volume and quality all the time. But since when did anyone in this industry think long term?

The biggest attraction about getting into an online business is the low startup costs compared to brick and mortar businesses. It still takes some cash to invest though, if you want to make it worth your while. It takes money to make money. If you don't have the cash to invest, earn it, or explore other business ideas.

Your suggestion is akin to an advertising firm giving a mom and pop restaurant a significantly lower rate than it gives to McDonalds. Or a real estate agent selling land to first time business owner at a fraction of what he'd sell it to a larger corporation.

Just remember this... he who has the traffic makes the rules. The TGP owner getting 500K hits a day needs you a lot less than you need him. Why would he cater to your wants when he has a line up of customers who will pay him what he wants?

you dont get ONE fucking clue as to what he posted. go back to selling viagra on Geocities idiot. The funniest part as that I know that it took you 10+ minutes to come up with that crock of shit. You need to read before you post.

you must be a successful tgp owner, since you seem to have so much advice for other tgp owners.

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Yep there are many rules you can break to try getting bigger.

But not beeing able to spend a couple thousands dollars a month to start up won't make you be no bill gates dude.

It's like if you go to a TV station and argue about their rates.

If their advertisers can make the money back some will buy it.

it just sounds like whining ... maybe it's not but i don't see any new ideas beeing implemented there.

and I have yet too try a TGP that matches with my kind of traffic where I don't make a positive ROI.

If you're smart enough you'll know where to buy and where to try.

BTW new TGP submitters isn't exactly what this business needs. If somebody new comes arround and wants to make money, why not bring a new idea ?

Coming from one of the BIGGEST thieves in the game that the poster is describing. Your opinion means shit.

Its like asking Charley Manson if hes guilty. What kind of a response do you expect? Morons.

100 joins from 1 gallery listing?

That costs you $30 a MONTH!

Get real.

What in the fuck are you talking about? I know you are not dumb so please xplain the post.

Acne : Back in the free days there is no way I could pull the numbers (traffic wise) that I am right now on free submitting competing with 1000 other newbies.

Thank you everyone for your input I have learned a bunch. Just trying to get my feet on the ground.

He's whining that he can't afford to pay a TGP for a partner account for a chance at getting listed. And he's suggesting that TGP owner change their pricing schemes in order to accomodate small fish like him.

Again, you're the one who needs the TGP owner, not vice versa. He can supplement his income by charging $1000/month for a partner account if he wants. You don't like it? Then don't submit to his TGP. Don't like the idea of paid partner accounts? Then submit to free TGPs. Or, get out of the TGP game altogether.

You, my friend, are the one without a clue. You only know what a TGP is because you jack off to them. You couldn't register a domain name, let alone run a successful TGP. Now run along, Timmy. Mommy's calling you for playtime.

Acne by all accounts what you seem to be saying is that all of the people that are buying spots and accounts are throwing away money every month and none of them are keen enough business wise to realize they are loosing money each month. Apparently most everyone is just buying them to look cool.

Now do not take what I say to imply that I support buying partner accounts. I do buy listings all of the time, though most places that I would typically need to submit to I already have free partner accounts at that I earned over time. I also am not a submitter at heart, I am much for other traffic means.

Good point like usual, I am a new tgp owner and hopefully at some point will be able to charge for partner accts (hopefully).

Your very established, so I need to find a way to be different than all the other hundreds of thousands of tgps.

I have learned from GFY that people are more apt to responde to a statement or a complaint than a newbie question. Hens the reason for the structure of my post.

I always try to think of longevity and wanted to know how to achieve that type of income with partner accts. With the large tgp I understand the high prices. Some of the smaller ones are starting to get desperate and gready also. I don't ever want to be in that position.

So you complain about tgps charging (too much) for partner accounts but once you have a decent sized tgp you want to charge too?
You better focus on other things, you will probably never achive the size or the quality of tgps that exist 5+ years now. If you think so, you're dreaming just like every other newbie that starts out with submitting or running tgps just because they don't know what to make else.

10000's think the same and fail, create a different type of site

I am so glad to be out of the tgp game. It was good when I did it @ 7-8 years ago. Learned a lot about this biz but definitely a crazy gig now...

you must have missed my thread earlier today where i was giving away FREE partner accounts. why am i giving away free partner accounts? because my new tgp doesnt have that much traffic yet and there isnt a demand for them yet.

pinkworld on the other hand charges for partner accounts and they are sold out with a waiting list. why the fuck would someone give away partner accounts when theres people who want to pay for some but there just isnt enough to go around.

you have no sense of business whatsoever. go to google and look up supply and demand.

learn to read

we all know that they are charging now because they don't make as much money as they used to from their own pages. if they were doing it to simply keep cheaters away, there wouldn't be services like submitpass.

Why are you submitting to TGPs anyways. 1:8000+ isn't going to pay the bills.

this would be true if the tgps were built on the backs of submitters in the first place. without submitters before hosted galleries and all this other crap, they would have nothing.

wrong. i'm ALWAYS interested in making more money, if theres a way to do it i will. i dont care if my revenue goes up or down, i still want more.

you act like they were submitting galleries out of the kindness of their heart. they did it to make money.